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Old 2011-01-31, 07:13   Link #1261
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ok, when was the last time i watched this show? 3 years ago? but man, still..I L0VE RE-L!!! just look at how badass she is!! tch! not to mention those eyeshadows. L0L. srsly, the very first time i saw her, i was like, 0HMEEGAD!! AN ANIMATED VERSION OF AMY LEE..XD

and oh, PINO IS THE CUTEST THING I'VE SEEN! L0L. i just couldn't keep myself from wanting to hug her! <33 KAWAII NE!! L0L

btw, ERGO PROXY FTW!!
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Old 2011-02-04, 11:35   Link #1262
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QUOTE=Reckoner;3455813]Proxy one, or also Ergo Proxy, was the proxy who was behind everything in the series.

He created Vincent in his own image, why he is also Ergo Proxy, and killed Amnesia (The autoreiv in charge of Vincent's memories) to hide his memories. He killed Donov Mayer, Real Mayer's father, and he was the one who launched Rapture to destroy Mosk dome (Monad's original dome). Monad was killed by Vincent at the start of the series. Real was a humanoid clone of Monad.

Proxy one did this because of his despair regarding the creators that forsaken them. He thought that Vincent, created in his own image, might be able to attain a different answer in life. Vincent and Proxy One are both Ergo Proxy.

The reason the city fell into chaos was that there was a cognito virus outbreak in the city, and Raul Creed told everyone to revolt against the autoreivs. This broke into chaos.[/QUOTE]
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Old 2011-02-13, 12:43   Link #1263
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ok, when was the last time i watched this show? 3 years ago? but man, still..I L0VE RE-L!!! just look at how badass she is!!
REAL is the best emo girl ever
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Old 2011-02-14, 09:19   Link #1264
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This anime needs a sequel where proxy fights against the humans.
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Old 2011-02-14, 09:31   Link #1265
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This anime needs a sequel where proxy fights against the humans.
that will be awesome if it will be action packed this time around, manglobe studio is capable of making a heavy action show just like what they did with samurai champloo
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Old 2011-02-14, 13:01   Link #1266
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This anime needs a sequel where proxy fights against the humans.
The narrative of the story is kind of done though. There's not much else to say really unless they want to explore the same themes all over again.
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Old 2011-02-14, 13:11   Link #1267
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that will be awesome if it will be action packed this time around, manglobe studio is capable of making a heavy action show just like what they did with samurai champloo
No, don't ruin the show with stupid action.
They'd better do film adaptation of Ergo Proxy: Centzon Hitchers and Undertaker manga.
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Old 2011-02-15, 04:09   Link #1268
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It's like Philosophy express in an animated way so that every episodes has a philosophical lesson in it...
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Old 2011-04-07, 05:37   Link #1269
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REVIEW TIME

Ah, now that’s more like it. Who ever said that you can’t make something good out of something ordinary? It’s mostly the execution that does the trick, followed by presentation, good visuals, something worthy in it to chat about and build a mythos and then… well I guess it’s about how the fandom will perceive the whole thing.

Ergo Proxy is a dark adventure, a journey of self-discovery, a look into what is real and what is an illusion, something to occasionally make you think outside the box. And I like it just for that; as bolder as anime may be next to cartoons, most of them still follow tired formulas without much innovation, experimentation, distinction, or in the grand scheme of things something worthy to remember about. Looks like Ergo Proxy (EP) covered all that to the most part.

The first thing that impressed me in this show is its roots. It’s not a strictly Japanese production as its aesthetics cover notions from all over the world. The characters are not drawn too anime-like, the main themes have English lyrics, and the philosophy it usually deals with has its roots in Europe. Heck, watching a dub would be enough to fool most to consider this a western production. At the same time it is not a conventional western-type production with simplistic characters, superficial plot and characters full of ironic one-liners. It has depth to it in its themes, it follows an idea more encountered in high budget sci-fi movies rather than series. It literally seems to take the best parts of both edges of the spectrum to create something really neat.

Of course even the most awesome concept can fall apart without good execution and presentation and EP did a fine job in this department. It has high production values, focuses a lot at making the world look scary and grim, makes sure to present the characters as lively as possible, and to the most part does not confuse you with what is going on with the plot. I mean, sure, there is a lot of mystery going on and even in the finale some things are left open to interpretation but I could easily fill in the blanks and even know what follows the conclusion of the show even if it was not shown or explained. I know many other anime which are being too cryptic to the point you have no clue what is going on and others who just throw everything at your face with long explanatory monologues. EP takes the middle road and it’s being explanatory without ever revealing everything at once. Meaning that the mystery is never kept in the dark or under a spotlight; it’s half-hidden from the setting sun behind it and it’s blinding you when you stare at it.

Another thing is how the form of the plot changes throughout the show without ever losing the atmosphere that defines it. The first part feels like a mystery/detective story in a futuristic setting, then it swifts to a journey in the barren wilderness outside of the city, and in the end, as if making a full circle, it ends back in the city where everything becomes a psychedelic showdown of wills and philosophies. Many will probably dislike the middle part as it feels too episodic, without actual on-going plot and with a hint of monster (or better say Proxy) -of-the-week feeling to it. In reality, it helps to better understand the motives of the so-called Gods in the series. If it was just about the main two Proxies, the clash and struggle they perform would feel a lot less important. Yet by looking at the motives of several others of the same kind you get to understand a lot better their vain attempts at maintaining a dead worldview. Plus, it helps the show to not feel too bent on Dualism of good vs evil; an element which I don’t favor at all.

And in all this mess you really get to see the characters developing, as they slowly open up to one another and reveal parts of themselves that make them feel more like real people. No wonder the lead woman is named Real; it’s all part of the core theme! What makes it even greater is how the characters don’t mature in a shonen way. They are not spineless weak boys that need to grow stronger and yell out all their teenage frustration. They are not neurotic girls that express their feeling by hitting boys and yelling over peanuts. The lead duo is already adults and is quite beyond that crap. They are just too untrustworthy and hide things from one another; a thing completely understood under the circumstances of the show.

What I loved as well is how they never tried to oversexualize Real, the main female. She is clearly nice looking with a great body but you barely get to see anything naked throughout the series. That shows respect to the character and I give thumb ups to the animators for not going for sleazy entertainment where the characters are defined by the color of their underwear or the size of their breasts. And not only that; the lead duo is still easily identifiable and stands out in the crowd of anime casts. Real’s, make-up in the eyes and the clown-like looks of Ergo both make them easy to tell apart from other shows. Heck, it is just a few lines of paintjob and yet it does wonders. How many others managed to do that with such simple means?

Even the AI robots that accompany them end up having their own sub-plots, as they both have the need to feel important to their human masters and act as if their reason for existence is lost when they are neglected. And this is the core theme by the way. The “raison d’etre” as they prefer to call it in French; the reason each one of us has to keep living and the “ergo” we go through in order to achieve it. It is harder than it sounds; especially when you are living in an organized and fully automated society and suddenly you are thrown out, practically no longer in need of that. It makes sense that you will grow mad and kill yourself or look for answers and a different thing to live for. Hence the second part of the series; one of the very few times I actually got to enjoy for its episodic nature. Other series are completely episodic and the finale leaves you at the end of a simple mission. But here it is actually the end process of a long line of events that change you and make you a different person with different goals. Meaning, all that fuss is there for a reason, all part of the core theme. It leads to something in the finale; it is not completely pointless dribbling like in other shows.

If there is one thing I didn’t like that was the action part. There are several battles in this show and they all feel one-sided from the beginning, as Ergo Proxy seems impossible to be killed. That kind of takes away the feeling of anxiety in case they fail or something. Another minor glitch is how besides the main crew everybody else in the show seems to be left at a minor support role. But I guess both are minor issues before all the rest; the message still gets across just fine.

ART SECTION: 9/10
General Artwork 2/2 (great production values)
Character Figures 2/2 (their make up is making them stand out)
Backgrounds 2/2 (detailed and spooky)
Animation 1/2 (sporadically the characters lose facial consistency and the battle choreography seems pointless since Ergo is unbeatable)
Visual Effects 2/2 (great use of shadows and darkness)

SOUND SECTION: 9/10
Voice Acting 3/3 (serious and philosophical dialogues without becoming too tiresome during monologues)
Music Themes 4/4 (great soundtrack and BGM)
Sound Effects 2/3 (great but not awesome)

STORY SECTION: 8/10
General Scenario 2/2 (really deep stuff)
Pacing 1/2 (drops a lot in the middle and speeds up a lot in the end)
Side Stories/Extra Spices 1/2 (too much focus on the main characters only)
Believability/Reasoning/Realism 2/2 (no obvious plot holes and the philosophy of the show is explained just fine)
Conclusion 2/2 (rather vague but its solid)

CHARACTER SECTION: 10/10
Presence 2/2 (imposing)
Personality 2/2 (detailed)
Backdrop 2/2 (excused)
Development 2/2 (high)
Catharsis 2/2 (definitely)

VALUE SECTION: 9/10
Historical Value 3/3 (modern classic from the get go for all I care)
Rewatchability 2/3 (high if you dig the premise, with some parts skipped for their low importance)
Memorability 4/4 (stands out in the crowd)

ENJOYMENT SECTION: 9/10
It made me think, it looked great, it had good songs, it had memorable characters, it didn’t end openly, and I could fill in the blanks easily. Some parts in the middle felt a bit dull but it was a great ride.

VERDICT: 9/10

SUGGESTION LIST
Anime: Casshern Sins, DT Eightron
Western movies: Logan`s Run, THX 1138, Nineteen Eighty-Four, Blade Runner, Stalker
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Old 2011-10-05, 21:00   Link #1270
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Old 2012-01-30, 22:27   Link #1271
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Ho, I can't believe I'm gonna say this, but Roriconfan above made an excellent review of this anime; I really don't have that much more to say.


I appreciate how they weren't afraid to tell us that Real is a very attractive woman, but not doing it in a blatant or obnoxiously condescending manner that many an anime will do.

The main appeal of Ergo Proxy is definitely the direction. I really appreciate it when it seems the one in charge has the show's elements under control. The music is well placed, the dialogue is largely meaningful and serves to either tell us about a relationship between two characters, or something about their nature. In essence, scenes aren't wasted when the show wants to get going. The music, while not super exceptional, is used extremely effectively in tense moments. The OP is one hell of a song though; maybe it's because English is my main language that Kiri sounds like one of the best anime songs. Surprisingly good English!

This anime's been noted as being a bit pretentious for its own good, due to I guess its use of certain philosophical terms. But these things are merely the dressing to the theme of the show, and that theme is fairly simple-- identity. Those that lose their identity lose their will to live, and start to ragequit. In a world where identity is so fixed, the essence of someone's self worth is extremely fragile. And that plot twist at the end? Well, you just realized it was an entire people's attempt to justify themselves, as they had no value. They were tools, and the proxies were tools of them.

All of these things centralizes on Vincent, who becomes the center of the series. I had expected some kind of cliche final fight between Real and Vincent and stuff, but the series wanted otherwise.

I guess the series did weaken a bit in the 2nd half with a bit of "Standalone" proxy of the week episodes, and I was never too fond of the action. It was still good and served its purpose. Overall, this series is a good example of finely executed anime so I wouldn't be justified to give it less than a 9/10


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Old 2012-05-02, 21:23   Link #1272
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I just finished rewatching Ergo Proxy after a few years. I won't delve into the various details of the show which filled over fifty pages of discussion here. Instead I'm left wondering about one aspect of the ending. At the end when we see our nuclear family reunited, with the addition of nanny Kristeva, I was thinking about whether Vincent and Re-l would be able to have children of their own. All the humans we see were created in the womb systems, and I'm not really certain whether Ergo as Vincent is human at all. Still there was a sort of Adam-and-Eve character to the ending as they all sail off into the sunset while Romdeau collapses behind them. Are we to believe that Re-l and Vincent are the founding couple of a new race of humans, or perhaps superhumans, despite Vincent also being the proxy of death?
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Old 2012-05-11, 10:15   Link #1273
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I'm left wondering about one aspect of the ending. At the end when we see our nuclear family reunited, with the addition of nanny Kristeva, I was thinking about whether Vincent and Re-l would be able to have children of their own. All the humans we see were created in the womb systems, and I'm not really certain whether Ergo as Vincent is human at all. Still there was a sort of Adam-and-Eve character to the ending as they all sail off into the sunset while Romdeau collapses behind them. Are we to believe that Re-l and Vincent are the founding couple of a new race of humans, or perhaps superhumans, despite Vincent also being the proxy of death?
It's hard to say really, on the one hand you have to take into account that all the humans that were produced by the womb system were rmade unable to reproduce, and given that Re-l was created that way, it might be impossible for her to do that. However, given that She is a clone of Monad, maybe that might circumvent that possibility, who knows?

But then again, can proxys actually reproduce? The two that did seemingly love each other, Sun & Moon, never indicated this was a possibility (granted, they never had any screen time together, but before Vincent turned up, who knows if this ever came up between them?).
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Old 2012-12-18, 19:24   Link #1274
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I just finished this series. It seems like the type of series where you would get something out of watching it a second time.

The first half was pretty amazing. The end of each episode left me badly wanting to just marathon everything. Lil ("Re-l') was a great character, the premise was amazing, and there were many mysteries to be solved. The second half took a different direction that, while interesting, had a very different feel. Notably, the series seemingly tried to present a few philosophical questions to ponder, but I didn't feel that they connected. Maybe it was just me.

I generally try to avoid analyzing series from a production standpoint, but there were two things that really bothered me as I watched them. The first was episode 15, the gameshow episode. It came out of nowhere and left the same way, but what really bugged me was the way that episode was used to explain a fair bit of backstory and introduce the concept of Proxy One. Maybe it was supposed to be a bit of comedy thrown in and I just didn't get the joke, or maybe I just don't appreciate game shows like other people do, but to me it seemed like lazy storytelling. Surely there could have been a better way to make that information known to the viewer.

I'll admit, the ending also bugged me. In many ways it was well done, but it made all of the mysteries of the series seem pointless.

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Even if that's what the series truly intended, such a reason is still a bit of a downer. A large driving force of interest in the series has to do with figuring out the mysteries behind the Proxies and the world, but in the end it seems as if the reasoning didn't live up to expectations. I'd still recommend this series to others, but it didn't make it to my "favorites" list, even though it seemed to be heading that way based on the first ten or so episodes.
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Old 2012-12-21, 00:24   Link #1275
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I'm not so sure that was the idea of the creation of proxies. The proxies were simply made to restore the eartha nd that was the purpose of the domes. The proxies fell into despair because their creators abandoned them, but this is a reoccurent theme throughout the show. This chain of despair of subservience to one's creator... The proxies to the original humans, the sibyl humans to the proxies, the autoraves to sibyl created humans. You could almost frame this in a sort of religous context with humans and God, as this very confusion is essential to the human condition. Yeah it's a bit of a downer, but this is a cyberpunk afterall and cyberpunks don't generally have the most uplifting stories .

Also proxy one created vincent to be his revenge against the creators and his choice to accept that role in the end (Presumably he's immune to sunlight) is a fitting conclusion to the series IMO.
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Old 2012-12-21, 07:03   Link #1276
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I'm not so sure that was the idea of the creation of proxies. The proxies were simply made to restore the eartha nd that was the purpose of the domes.
I remember that restoration of the planet was the purpose behind the Proxies, but how were they restoring the planet? What were the domes doing? If I remember the series lore correctly, the Earth is in an uninhabitable state for around 5,000 years (assuming the end of the series marks the time when Earth is restored), and it seems like many of the domes have broken down. Further, the idea that Proxies were made to be flawed creatures who would feel loneliness and such was presented, but if they were central to the domes' operations and if the domes were really necessary for the Earth's recovery... it just doesn't make sense to me.

We also never see anything that would indicate that the domes are having an impact on the surrounding environment. I know this aspect of the series wasn't anywhere near the main focus, but unless I'm missing a key detail it seems nonsensical. The setup made sense initially, when it seemed as if the domes were humanity's "last bastion" in a hostile environment (a theme that has been done many times before), but the big reveal that original humanity is sitting around in space and that dome humans are "half humans" knocked that one out.

Thus, the suggestion that the Proxies would aid the planet's recovery by simply bearing witness sounds reasonable, but is still ridiculous. As if we would go through such lengths to guard against a superstition... from a philosophical and religious allegory standpoint I can see what they were going for, but it just seems to me that they could have easily tweaked one detail that wouldn't have made it seem totally bizarre.
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Old 2012-12-23, 21:37   Link #1277
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I think the domes had already finished their work.That is why most of them had died out.Proxies had to be smart to be able to heal the planet and they may not have been able to interfere with the process even to save their lives.So they were forced to work towards their own deaths.

That would certainly give them a lot of reasons to go nuts after their programing let them stop working on the domes.
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I went into this show expecting pretentious schlock, and by the end of the first episode I started to wonder why I didn't watch this sooner. The characters are compelling but not 'likable,' the story is rich but the pacing will drive away the impatient, and people deceived by the action might be disappointed when the show dials it down. It does everything RIGHT for a show to be deep, but can you swim with the sharks while you're there?
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