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Old 2012-12-16, 17:15   Link #3541
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I am concerned that this is what the GOP wanted because it gives them a shot at taking Kerry's seat in the Senate -- which is exactly the game they were playing to begin with. Obama could have put anyone up, Rice was just unlucky because the GOP wanted Kerry out of the Senate, hoping to put Scott Brown there.
I agree, that is a possibility, but personally I think Dem will replace Kerry in a special election (it is Mass afterall ), so I don't think his seat is in terrible danger of becoming a Republican one.

Though I admit I could be wrong about that.

Of all the contenders I've seen to replace Hilary, Kerry seems like a fine choice.
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Old 2012-12-16, 17:44   Link #3542
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I agree, that is a possibility, but personally I think Dem will replace Kerry in a special election (it is Mass afterall ), so I don't think his seat is in terrible danger of becoming a Republican one.
That's what they thought about Teddy's seat.

Kerry is a good choice, though, and I expect many would support his acceptance even if they couldn't convert his Senate Seat.
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Old 2012-12-20, 18:25   Link #3543
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And a CNN/ORC International poll also indicates that a slight majority of Americans sees the Republican party's policies and views as too extreme, a first for the GOP, and fewer than a third say they trust congressional Republicans more than President Barack Obama to deal with the major issues facing the nation
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Old 2012-12-21, 06:53   Link #3544
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House Republicans defeat their leader's 'Plan B' proposal.

So after Filibustering their own measures in the Senate, good to see the House keeping the dream alive...
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Old 2012-12-21, 11:40   Link #3545
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http://www.examiner.com/article/new-...alerts_article

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Old 2012-12-21, 11:56   Link #3546
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I'm not sure if the examiner is right wing biased, but it sure reads that way. And no, I'm not talking about content, but the way they word the content is so aggressive and starts being derogatory to fact checkers, saying things like "Even..." followed by some not Rupert Murdoch owned thing that supposedly said something that agreed with them, and saying those things "admitted" rather than stated. As if, since there's a big GOP machine, there's some big socialist machine or something.

Also seems to cherry pick statements from its sources. For example, they're like "This one admits that there is little evidence that deregulation was the problem!", but they ignore the fact the article states that it was "unregulation", ie: not enough regulation, that allowed Wallstreet to find loop holes.

And wow, yeah, they just said "non-Fox media". That's definitely a very right wing biased site, or at least writer. Seems it's the writer, at the very least:

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Robert Moon is an award-winning researcher, published author, and former Regional Coordinator for the Tea Party Patriots. He has organized for conservative causes and candidates for the last fifteen years, is a former Precinct Committeeman and is currently stationed overseas.
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Old 2012-12-21, 18:44   Link #3547
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House Republicans defeat their leader's 'Plan B' proposal.

So after Filibustering their own measures in the Senate, good to see the House keeping the dream alive...
This is actually funny since the Democrats were preparing to kill it too since the stuff in the bill was bad but the GOP themselves killed it.

In some of the comments there people are wondering why Obama is even negotiating with Boehner when it looks like he can't even get his party to go along with him.
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Old 2012-12-21, 19:12   Link #3548
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This is actually funny since the Democrats were preparing to kill it too since the stuff in the bill was bad but the GOP themselves killed it.

In some of the comments there people are wondering why Obama is even negotiating with Boehner when it looks like he can't even get his party to go along with him.
That's the question isn't it?

If Boehner can't deliver support in the House, then he isn't the guy Obama should be talking to.

Obama is doing the negotiations because the Democrats would back him up. But without a leader on the opposing side who has any power to pass legislation in the House, there can't BE a negotiation.

It seems until the GOP decide who they would follow in their own party, the Democrats are on their own.
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Old 2012-12-21, 22:36   Link #3549
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So did I get this right? Ron Paul still isn't president of the U.S.? What the heck are you doing overseas?
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Old 2012-12-31, 22:58   Link #3550
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So, with an hour to go to the New Year on the East Coast .. an agreement has been reached on the fiscal cliff!

Estate taxes are up, income tax cuts maintained to those making up to $400k a year, capital gains and dividend taxes up for post-$400k a year

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...36#post4496036
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Old 2012-12-31, 23:03   Link #3551
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There wasn't anything about it, but I assume the electoral votes were cast as scheduled.

Also any word on Puerto Rico's statehood bid? (Or the District of Columbia for that matter).
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Old 2013-01-01, 00:40   Link #3552
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So, with an hour to go to the New Year on the East Coast .. an agreement has been reached on the fiscal cliff!

Estate taxes are up, income tax cuts maintained to those making up to $400k a year, capital gains and dividend taxes up for post-$400k a year

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...36#post4496036
400K cutoff was Obama's compromise offer. So he got what he asked. It seems they wouldn't make it in time, but not so late that it would have sudden pain effects.

Now, next up; debt ceiling again.
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Old 2013-01-02, 05:04   Link #3553
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http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/0...s-two-choices/

So essentially this is what happened that caused House to pass the bill; Boehner knows the preferred option of the Tea Party is to add spending cuts and send it back to the Senate. So he checked if there was enough Majority in the GOP House to essentially support a Plan C. It does not. So Boehner then put the unamended Senate Bill up for a up-or-down vote.

The fact is no matter how much the Tea Party protests, they aren't going to pass anything by themselves. Boehner made it clear that they are STILL only a minor faction. But we will see if that holds political consequences for him.
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Old 2013-01-02, 05:21   Link #3554
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Nothing could be better for the Republicans and their public image than distancing themselves from the Tea Party as much and as quickly as possible.
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Old 2013-01-02, 05:30   Link #3555
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Aye, whatever merit the Tea Party may have originally had in the eyes of some of its members --- as it exists now, its a dangerous fiscally irresponsible disaster composed of what appear to be mostly idiots, buffoons, and puppets of billionaires who just might not be quite sane depending on how you analyze their behavior.
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Old 2013-01-02, 05:33   Link #3556
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Nothing could be better for the Republicans and their public image than distancing themselves from the Tea Party as much and as quickly as possible.
That is what they seem to be doing, but if they do so, they lose their "cuckold base". And these loud noises make it seem as though they are a major portion of the Yankee population.

GOP seems to adhere to the Mary Poppins philosophy of sugar helping the medicine go down - they aren't facing the fact that medication regimes are unpleasant at the best.
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Old 2013-01-02, 07:56   Link #3557
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This whole event seem to give Obama ideas of how to handle the next four years; (House is unlikely to change much). Essentially, the House would have no ability to support Obama even if they wanted to. So Obama would need to engineer the political landscape so that something would happen if the House don't act. To make a "No" vote something that matters.

To make the government's wheels turn, Obama is going to have to make the House pay for doing nothing.
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Old 2013-01-02, 09:36   Link #3558
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The US market just opened about an hour ago. It went up.

Usually the first day of trading dictates how the rest of the year will go, but I am holding my breath because this thing is nothing more than the postphonement of some doom, namely their social budget.

Unless the US start making REAL money (excluding all those arms sales to the China-terrified states around the globe), we will find a repeat of this year 364 days later.
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Old 2013-01-02, 10:54   Link #3559
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The US market just opened about an hour ago. It went up.

Usually the first day of trading dictates how the rest of the year will go, but I am holding my breath because this thing is nothing more than the postphonement of some doom, namely their social budget.

Unless the US start making REAL money (excluding all those arms sales to the China-terrified states around the globe), we will find a repeat of this year 364 days later.
Well, currently factory wages are going up in China to the point that they are actually moving manufacturing further in-land away from the coast. So it does look like the Chinese wages are already starting to bite. So at the very least there is that.

But of course, there are other sources of cheap labour. After all, China was simply the replacement after Japan stopped making cheap goods. That job market will never stay still as it is self-defeating. Give people jobs, and soon they would want to demand a raise.

Now, I understand that Free Market and Trade Barriers don't mix. But the fact is Free Market only makes the Multinationals rich. If you are not the cheapest supply of labour on Earth, you are going to lose out in a Free Market. There are two things America set up trade barriers for; Food and Weapons. Both are of strategic importance. But it is interesting that these two are the industries that still survives in America just fine.

I guess what want to say, is that Free Trade is fine if two nations want to swap commodities with each other. But if it leads to only one side giving money to the other for goods, then you have issues.

America needs protectionism to save their local industries. But that cuts into profits of large international industries so there would be near impossible resistance.
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Old 2013-01-02, 11:03   Link #3560
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^ Yeah, it's not quite that simple .. But let's not get bogged down in the economics of it all. The U.S. has ultimately overspent over the past several decades. Both the consumer and the government have overspent -- which is unfortunate as you'd likely want only one to be occurring at a time -- so a prolonged period of tepid economic growth with one or the other retrenching in turn is pretty important.

As for China, I have some (somewhat distant) relatives that own several factories in mainland China and they have been struggling with wage and cost inflation for several years now, and have been working on R&D avenues to branch out their production. They specialize in plastics so they make toys and other simple products for multinationals. From their perspective the main avenues to profit now in the mainland is producing goods for domestic consumption, but there is such a huge rift due to the social landscape:

The relatively poor tend to scrape by with the cheapest most generic essentials (with negligible margins) and the big splurge purchases are only of foreign luxury items.

The rich almost exclusively consume foreign products.
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