50th anniversary of "anime" on TV: "50 Masterpieces for 50 Years of TV Anime"

[GenjiChan]

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IMHO the bolded ones are deserving..

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by wontaek

Again, never put too much a value in a list you see in East Asia. Many important anime works from 70s and 80s are missing as well.

wtf.....






What has region got to do with this?

[felix]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

What has region got to do with this?

I'd imagine the moon. so as to equally please everybody

[GDiddy]

No Rurouni Kenshin? FAIL.

In terms of the last decade, as much as I can't stand the series, I'd say Naruto probaly would have more of an influence than Bleach has.

Azumanga Daioh is the reason why K-ON and Nichijou exist. So much fail....

[relentlessflame]

It's interesting that, right after the list in the original article, the author provides their own sort of explanation for their choices, which addresses some of the criticisms expressed in this thread. Some highlights:

1. As a general rule, the author picked representative works that started a series or trend (with some exceptions). (This would explain, for example, why Air and not Clannad.) He also said later that he considered series that had enduring popularity/notoriety, where sequels were still being produced today.

2. He acknowledged that, though he tried to be objective and consider journalistic ideals of fairness, in the end some of it is subjective.

3. He said that he's prefer people who disagree with the choices to focus more on what they'd add and what they'd take away from the list.

4. He also said that, given the large increase of productions starting in 2000, he really struggled with what to leave in and what to take out. (And I think that, given the familiarity most of us here have with anime in the last decade, that's probably going to be the most controversial here. It may still be too soon to get a clear picture.)

As a point of interest, to prepare the article, the author conducted an interview with Masaki Tsuji, the 80-year-old veteran anime scenario and scriptwriter who worked on a lot of famous anime from the 60s, 70s, and 80s (including many of Tezuka's early works).

He also addressed how the concept of "50 anime for 50 years" ended up with a list of 104 anime.

Anyway, the list probably makes more sense in the context of the article from which it was lifted, rather than just taken standalone without any explanation. It's not necessarily claiming to be the be-all end-all.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

What has region got to do with this?

Because you will likely see a different list if you asked someone from the USA, or Mexico, or Spain or France or the Phillipines, etc...

We are ALL biased, depending on the place where we grew because our importers filtered series to cater to the local markets and tastes.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Sheba

Because you will likely see a different list if you asked someone from the USA, or Mexico, or Spain or France or the Phillipines, etc...

We are ALL biased, depending on the place where we grew because our importers filtered series to cater to the local markets and tastes.

Precisely....so why should a list from East Asia be treated as of less value? Because only what the complainer deems is important has merit?


Every list regardless of region of origin should have zero influence on your tastes and views

[wontaek]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

Precisely....so why should a list from East Asia be treated as of less value? Because only what the complainer deems is important has merit?


Every list regardless of region of origin should have zero influence on your tastes and views

The biggest reason is that rules, culture, and etiquettes that governs journalism and publishing is different in East Asia ( mainly China, Korea, and Japan ) compared to English speaking regions ( mainly USA, UK, and Canada ) is different. Some of the important difference involves reviews of methodology, disclosure of conflict of interest, and willingness to ensure objectivity. While good number of good and bad examples can be found anywhere in the world, on average, East Asian media is worse than English speaking media in the disclosures and quality of methodology employed in making of so called "Top XX" lists.(numbers that can partially back up my claim comes from http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2012/results/ and http://www.globalintegrity.org/report/findings ) Many lists you see Japan anime magazines is heavily tainted by commercial interest of that magazine. The problem usually extends to more serious matters in all 3 big East Asian countries as far as I know, for often lists and numbers were deliberately "cooked" up to serve the political interest of the people in the power of the publication. Another key difference I notice between the 2 region is that when the methodology involved in making a list is questioned, while English media tends to adjust for it by improving their methodology in the next try, rarely you see East Asian media even acknowledge existence of the question. It is as if English media seeks to attain air of credibility in order to further its commercial interest, while East Asian media is more focused on imposing its views upon the readers.

Again, you will find exceptions in East Asian media as well as English media. Still, you will likely find the prevailing attitude towards making and presentation of list to differ between them. Unlike most people here, I find some head-scratching omissions of many very influential series that also was popular in its day from the list for the 60s and 80s. Curiously, the list does well for the 70s, in my opinion. I will leave it up to the readers to decide how or why the following series was omitted . For the disclosure purpose, I admit the choice can't be backed up by many objective standard, as I lack the resources to do broad survey of "experts" of the subject, but can say these series did make big "splash", some even to the mainstream mass media outlets, when they first appeared.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetsujin_28-go

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Knight

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y%C5%8Dkai_Ningen_Bem

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_No._1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutie_Honey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adv...h_the_Honeybee

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getter_Robo


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical...ess_Minky_Momo <- TV-Asahi's 2005 list have this above Creamy Mami ( http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...-top-100-anime , )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_%28manga%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimagure_Orange_Road

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbine <- This needs to be seen in order to understand where all the "gimmicks" of mid and late 1980s anime came from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta_Gundam <- There are good enough number of new aspects of this series compared to the First Gundam series to make it considered as separate entity for creation of such list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruits_Basket

The series that I have the some bones to pick with is Creamy Mami. Whatever the novelty that can be attributed to that series is better attributed to Macross and Minky Momo. Still, I find enough Japanese to remember the series to not argue against its selection.