AnimeSuki Forums

Register Forum Rules FAQ Members List Social Groups Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   AnimeSuki Forum > Anime Related Topics > Manga & Light Novels

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 2013-01-08, 04:03   Link #2641
Felyndiira
Member
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Himmel View Post
Heh, I think they just purposefully didn't show any of Achiga member ability before the semi final. We never saw how Shizu match went with any of the characters in this manga (only a few round but not a full match) so her showing an ability isn't that much of an asspull since we never really got any information regarding her. She did lose to Koromo but we don't know what happened to them after Shizu wanted a rematch so there's that too. Not to mention that she might get powered up after all that training She might not have any godlike/demon ability but at the very least she's confirmed to have some sort of ability/traits that made Koromo aware of her (even going to the extend warning Saki about her).

Oh and I wouldn't worry too much about Ryuuka. She might just haven't shown all her cards yet.. or maybe she's just an ace at getting points like Shindouji VC.
There were a lot of hints at where Shizu's power level should have been. Certainly, we've never seen what happened after the rematch, but considering that it was explicitly stated that Achiga was never able to defeat Ryuumonbuchi and because Shizu plays the captain (final) position, we can posit that she was never able to overcome Koromo at her weakest. With the other Achiga players, both the announcer and FunaQ indirectly implied during thequarterfinals match that only the non-freshman players in Achiga has abilities: Kuro and Yuu's ability was known right away, and Arata's ability was hinted at by FunaQ. The implication was that not only Ako, but Shizu were normal skill-based players.

Second, while the rest of the game was invisible to us, we've seen Shizu's overall performance in the final rounds of the quarterfinals match. The players, at the time, were Ryuuka and two assumed relatively weak players (at least compared to Himeko and Awai); Ryuuka is likely gathering data and not really trying to stop other players from contenting for second, so give Achiga's predicament at that moment, it was in Shizu's best interest to go all out and win second place with a grand margin. Yet, even taking away the last two hands, her net score for the round is still only +1700 - not the type of score that a player with an overwhelming ability is capable of. For a round that literally meant life or death for Achiga, Shizu showed us no hints of an ability stronger than that she has the determination to overcome the most daunting of situations.

I am (as I imagine a lot of people would be) fine with, say, Yuu showing her ability even though her match with Bansei is mostly skipped: there was absolutely nothing in the Bansei match - scores or anything - that even tells us what sort of ability she has or doesn't have. The quarterfinals, though, was able to give us a ton of information about the players; if Ritz went against that and gave Shizu a hax ability that could work against cream of the crop players like Himeko and Ryuuka, then it would really stretch the imagination to wonder why the heck she didn't use them in the quarterfinals to gain a lead when the risk of losing is so real. There is more evidence of Shizu's lack of a powerful ability, also, in Achiga's anime-only practice matches against Tsuruga/Kazekoshi that served as a very excellent gauge for where Achiga's abilities currently stand.

And if there is one thing that Saki has never done in the past, it's arbitrary shonen power-ups. Yuuki was the only character that grew noticeably stronger as time goes on, and her development was done in a way that makes sense (namely - her ability is the same, but she instead increased her skill and mitigated the weaknesses of her ability). Plus, it's a gradual development, not instant overpowering. Having Shizu do a shonen power-up and gain some super ability goes flatly against the established conventions of the manga so far.

And honestly, I do hope that Ryuuka gets more development. I don't care if Senriyama is destined to lose or anything like that, but for her to basically say "I have no character of my own, and Toki is making me win" after the hype would really make her a flat character for me. Even someone like Himeko, who's ability is explicitly defined as building on the successes of another player, showed us that she's a skilled player in her own right by winning that 1-Han hand despite the restriction. It would really make me sad if they left Ryuuka's character as just Toki's accessory for life.


TBH, though, there were a lot of things that annoyed me about the Achiga manga. The third year in the Inter-High thing, for instance, doesn't even have a shred of support for it in the main manga, and seemed really out of place given how decently players like Ako and, on the other side, Nodoka usually does in their matches. More specifically, it's saying that, for instance, Megan Devin and most of Ryuumonbochi should have been terrible in the inter-highs last year, that Satoha should not have achieved her prestige in the final rounds, and that pretty much every first/second year player that wasn't Kei, Koromo, or Jindai should have just outright been terrible against a third-year player. We saw how well that theory worked out.

Last edited by Felyndiira; 2013-01-08 at 05:00. Reason: Incomplete sentence, oops.
Felyndiira is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-01-08, 05:22   Link #2642
Von Himmel
やっはろーヽ(*∀`)ノ
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Dollars
I don't know about that... even Yuuki seems like that she got an instant powerup. For me, it just feels that she isn't getting any instant powerup because we know her since the first chapter and all of her matches are shown completely. Because of that we got the gist of her gradual development... but then suddenly she became so strong in preliminary and semi-final because of what? A not-shown training arc with Koromo and the other? In my opinion, Shizu would be the same as her if we know everything about her matches and how her traits in matches were shown. Who's to say that she's not improving on each of her match when we don't even know how she's playing?

She might not have any godlike ability that'll overpower her opponents (or else she wouldn't have a hard time in her previous matches), but I believe that she has some sort of ability that would make her a fearsome opponent. For me, that last match of her was pretty scary considering that she could pull off something like that after getting screwed up by furiten.

tl;dr, in my opinon as long as her abiity isn't something ridiculous like Awai's supernova or Saki death kan then I wouldn't really call it a total ass-pull. I get this feeling that it's not her ability that's troublesome but her traits at not giving up and actually pulled of at the end is what makes her troublesome though. Heck, I don't think that she has any specific ability at all.

...and yeah, it's more like deus ex if I think about it.. but shit like that are what makes mahjong scary for me. I got this one person who often turn around the match by getting high score at the end and take the 1st-2nd place because of it. People like that scares me more than someone with occult ability in mahjong.

On that note.. the newest chapter states that Shizu has figured out something. Maybe she'll find a leeway using strategy by Akado? or maybe something like her previous match will happen again and she'll find a way for her to win by herself?

In any case, let's just see how Shizu will play in the next chapter before complaining whether she'll get a bullshit powerup or not.
Quote:
TBH, though, there were a lot of things that annoyed me about the Achiga manga. The third year in the Inter-High thing, for instance, doesn't even have a shred of support for it in the main manga, and seemed really out of place given how decently players like Ako and, on the other side, Nodoka usually does in their matches. More specifically, it's saying that, for instance, Megan Devin and most of Ryuumonbochi should have been terrible in the inter-highs last year, that Satoha should not have achieved her prestige in the final rounds, and that pretty much every first/second year player that wasn't Kei, Koromo, or Jindai should have just outright been terrible against a third-year player. We saw how well that theory worked out.
For me it's that this manga has an abundant amount of players who have crazy abilities. It's like every person in the team must have some sort of over-the-top ability. Then again, what interest me more of this spin-off is how the Achigas are trying to cope up with their opponents using their standard ability.

Oh and it's not like the current third year would be weak last year. They just got a passive abiity that would make them easier to reach tenpai compared to their previous year... it's a good power up but it doesn't mean that they're terrible during their previous year when fighting against a third year. They might have a hard time than it used to, but I believe that their natural ability would work it out and might still be able to come up at the top. After all, being in tenpai wouldn't mean nothing if you're not getting any score.
__________________
その光りは、単なる一筋の光りではない。人類の希望を繋いだ。


Von Himmel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-01-08, 05:50   Link #2643
JW1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: UK
Oh my word! Much as I like Toki, telepathic ghost Toki is just hilarious! I suppose it really is no holds barred now and anything is possible. Since she's watching the match on TV, why doesn't Toki use her telepathic powers to tell Ryuuka what tiles everyone is holding while she's about it? She could pass on the pro analysis too, that would probably be quite helpful. LOL!

And once again I make this plea: please, please don't tell me Shizu of all people is the final boss! This whole story has been a bit of a mess, quite frankly, but that would be the final insult!
JW1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-01-08, 07:22   Link #2644
Felyndiira
Member
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Himmel View Post
I don't know about that... even Yuuki seems like that she got an instant powerup. For me, it just feels that she isn't getting any instant powerup because we know her since the first chapter and all of her matches are shown completely. Because of that we got the gist of her gradual development... but then suddenly she became so strong in preliminary and semi-final because of what? A not-shown training arc with Koromo and the other? In my opinion, Shizu would be the same as her if we know everything about her matches and how her traits in matches were shown. Who's to say that she's not improving on each of her match when we don't even know how she's playing?
First of all, there's the nature of Taco's power-up. Yuuki, like every other Saki character, never developed a new ability out of thin air - her ability was to dominate in the East round, and continues to be to dominate in the east round. On the other hand, the Yuuki in the Nagano qualifications was an atrocious player outside of her ability - she is easily discouraged, often plays into other people's hands unwittingly, and has no semblance of skill whatsoever. The biggest power-up that we saw Yuuki gain in the Nationals was fixing her deficiency in basic mahjong skills to the point where she could hold her own as a player; in other words, an improvement in her skill. Like every other character, Tacos never gained new abilities once in the manga; she only improved her own existing ability, and even then only by being a better player rather than bending reality more.

And there's a significant difference between Yuuki's training camp and the training that Achiga went through. Between the qualifications and Nationals, Hisa organized a full training camp with the four final schools in Nagano specifically to improve the skill level of Kiyosumi. We can assume that they had at least a few weeks to train and work on Yuuki's very visible weaknesses. Achiga, on the other hand, was last seen playing in the quarterfinals; they explicitly only had two days to improve between their match with Senriyama and the one with Shirotodai. We saw, very specifically, that they were beaten down by Yumi, Momo, Mihoko, and Kana in order just before those two days. So, on one side, Yuuki improved herself to a competent level (without developing new abilities!) over the course of weeks of specialized training. On the other side, we may have Shizu actually gain a new ability that was never mentioned before and specifically hinted against - all in the course of two days and just because she played with Kei's asylum a few times.

If you ask me, Yuuki's development was very realistic. Shizu's improvement - if it does ever happen - smells in every way like a eleventh hour superpower to me.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Himmel View Post
She might not have any godlike ability that'll overpower her opponents (or else she wouldn't have a hard time in her previous matches), but I believe that she has some sort of ability that would make her a fearsome opponent. For me, that last match of her was pretty scary considering that she could pull off something like that after getting screwed up by furiten.

tl;dr, in my opinon as long as her abiity isn't something ridiculous like Awai's supernova or Saki death kan then I wouldn't really call it a total ass-pull. I get this feeling that it's not her ability that's troublesome but her traits at not giving up and actually pulled of at the end is what makes her troublesome though. Heck, I don't think that she has any specific ability at all.
But still, just a useful ability isn't enough to make her scary. Right now, she's not up against no-name players; she's up against an entire roster of players that were supposed to be (and very much shown to be) among the cream of the crop in the entire tournament. Unless if her ability powers up the stronger her opponents are or something, any ability that could make her win with impunity against these players should by nature be a few orders of magnitude stronger when used against, say, Kentani - which means that she should have no excuse ending that third-to-last round in the quarterfinals with only a +1700.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Himmel View Post
...and yeah, it's more like deus ex if I think about it.. but shit like that are what makes mahjong scary for me. I got this one person who often turn around the match by getting high score at the end and take the 1st-2nd place because of it. People like that scares me more than someone with occult ability in mahjong.
I agree. I actually like the fourth match in the semi-finals because it showed two players (+Arata for one round) using nothing but skills (and luck) to crush Matano, who's ability would be pretty devastating otherwise. Given that a lot of Saki fans tend to focus on abilities, it really drives home the point that skilled players can defeat ability players if they are skilled enough.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Himmel View Post
On that note.. the newest chapter states that Shizu has figured out something. Maybe she'll find a leeway using strategy by Akado? or maybe something like her previous match will happen again and she'll find a way for her to win by herself?

In any case, let's just see how Shizu will play in the next chapter before complaining whether she'll get a bullshit powerup or not.
I agree that it might be a false alarm. It's just that the manga seems to be going in a pretty negative direction, which makes me a bit worried; I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that it really is just Shizu being a determinator that pulls her through in the end and not a deus ex ability =p.

Still, my biggest annoyance with this chapter is not the potential to deus ex Shizu. I'm mostly ticked that the mangaka decided that Ryuuka's playing style would basically be co-dependent on Toki as well. I mean, yes, I get that they love each other outside of the game and I'm totally fine with it, but at least give her a distinct playing style of her own rather than have all of her wins be attributed to Toki as well.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Himmel View Post
For me it's that this manga has an abundant amount of players who have crazy abilities. It's like every person in the team must have some sort of over-the-top ability. Then again, what interest me more of this spin-off is how the Achigas are trying to cope up with their opponents using their standard ability.
Well, to be fair, three of the Achigas are ability users themselves. Of those, Kuro's skill is actually hampered by her ability, and Arata does seem to depend quite a bit on her ability as well. Ako has been the only concrete skill-based player so far, and her primary opponent just happens to be Sera - who is, really, another skill-based player.

The manga subverts its own crazy abilities often enough as well. Hiroe is one of the top players in the inter-high, after all, and the only ability that she seems to have is the standard luck that everyone else in the series ends up with (plus maybe a defense that's probably a bit too good to be true).

Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Himmel View Post
Oh and it's not like the current third year would be weak last year. They just got a passive abiity that would make them easier to reach tenpai compared to their previous year... it's a good power up but it doesn't mean that they're terrible during their previous year when fighting against a third year. They might have a hard time than it used to, but I believe that their natural ability would work it out and might still be able to come up at the top. After all, being in tenpai wouldn't mean nothing if you're not getting any score.
The thing I don't like about the theory is that it is not only not mentioned, but also not even suggested (through play or otherwise) by the main manga. Sera's monologue suggested that it was enough to push her far behind players that were supposed to be weaker than she is - and yet, some of the most prominent players in the inter-high individuals were first or second years in the previous year (5/6 of the top six in the individuals, for one - Teru, Kei, Satoha, Hiroe, and Mukuru). We also regularly see second year players like Mako or Kinue perform well against third-year opponents, and third year opponents who could not complete their hands in any sort of comparable speed.

In fact, Senriyama players aside, there was no evidence of this 'third year hand completion rate' whatsoever in the Saki universe. Even the Achiga universe did not have evidence of this until the Semifinals (it definitely didn't help Koshigaya or Kentani in the slightest).

Last edited by Felyndiira; 2013-01-08 at 07:36.
Felyndiira is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-01-08, 07:37   Link #2645
Marina2
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Well, I guess Akado must figue out something about the weakness of Awai, Ryuuka and Himeko abilites and told Shizuno in advance to look for a chance/sign to counter those.
__________________
http://forums.animesuki.com/images/as.icon/signaturepics/sigpic44739_1.gif
Marina2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-01-08, 07:59   Link #2646
teja208
Critical fanboy
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Anywhere with anime and anime discussion is fine
Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Himmel View Post
Heh, I think they just purposefully didn't show any of Achiga member ability before the semi final. We never saw how Shizu match went with any of the characters in this manga (only a few round but not a full match) so her showing an ability isn't that much of an asspull since we never really got any information regarding her. She did lose to Koromo but we don't know what happened to them after Shizu wanted a rematch so there's that too. Not to mention that she might get powered up after all that training She might not have any godlike/demon ability but at the very least she's confirmed to have some sort of ability/traits that made Koromo aware of her (even going to the extend warning Saki about her).
If there is one issue I have with Achiga is how they never refer back to what happen during their training camp or when they were practicing with the indivudual competitors. Not even once we have seen how they improved themselves after their training even now it's as though they never had those trainings at all.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marina2 View Post
Well, I guess Akado must figue out something about the weakness of Awai, Ryuuka and Himeko abilites and told Shizuno in advance to look for a chance/sign to counter those.
Whatever Shizu notice, I hope Akodo didn't spot a tell of x player again or something like that since that would be cheep, but I also don't want an *** pull miracle power up. Perhaps it could be related to Shizu's speed training and the reason Koromo warned Saki about her.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JW1 View Post
Oh my word! Much as I like Toki, telepathic ghost Toki is just hilarious! I suppose it really is no holds barred now and anything is possible. Since she's watching the match on TV, why doesn't Toki use her telepathic powers to tell Ryuuka what tiles everyone is holding while she's about it? She could pass on the pro analysis too, that would probably be quite helpful. LOL!!
What? That practically cheating. LOL

EDIT: I did expect it, but hope there won't be too many complant about how Shiraitodai is losing credibility as the strongest HS mahjong team. It is understandable complaint after the hype, and I felt Ritz is overdoing it with this chapter's score.

Last edited by teja208; 2013-01-08 at 08:23.
teja208 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-01-08, 08:34   Link #2647
Von Himmel
やっはろーヽ(*∀`)ノ
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Dollars
Quote:
If you ask me, Yuuki's development was very realistic. Shizu's improvement - if it does ever happen - smells in every way like a eleventh hour superpower to me.
We don't even know what her ability that is being trained at so I'm not really sure about it. In what conditions will her ability activates or what type of ability does she have will also take parts on her training.

I mean, it's entirely possible that Yuuki long training with Koromo was because that she needs to take that much time because she's developing a new strategy to amplify her ability. We can take this speculation based on the fact that we knows her ability is and how (logically) that training would take to master. This is not the case with Shizu since we still don't know what strategy will she use in next chapter... it could be like the case with Yuu with her strategy to dodge Sumire's arrow; you don't need to spend a really long time to use that strategy. Shizu short training and power up might have something to do with a strategy (albeit it won't be something like a tell that Sumire has) that doesn't take too long to master.

..of course, if her ability turns out to be something godlike that would be pretty funny.

Come to think of it, since she fought many great players... I dunno, maybe she'll be using the experiences from all the girls she fought and can come up with proper strategy to beat them. She's like a hero in games if that's true though levelling up until she get high level to defeat the bosses while struggling to do so and not giving up.

Quote:
Still, my biggest annoyance with this chapter is not the potential to deus ex Shizu. I'm mostly ticked that the mangaka decided that Ryuuka's playing style would basically be co-dependent on Toki as well. I mean, yes, I get that they love each other outside of the game and I'm totally fine with it, but at least give her a distinct playing style of her own rather than have all of her wins be attributed to Toki as well.
I'm still hoping for the coming of a true dragon lord

Quote:
Well, to be fair, three of the Achigas are ability users themselves. Of those, Kuro's skill is actually hampered by her ability, and Arata does seem to depend quite a bit on her ability as well. Ako has been the only concrete skill-based player so far, and her primary opponent just happens to be Sera - who is, really, another skill-based player.
Those things and the constant losing are what I think make them fall to a standard category in sakiverse. They're pretty damn powerful when compared to normal teams though.

Quote:
In fact, Senriyama players aside, there was no evidence of this 'third year hand completion rate' whatsoever in the Saki universe. Even the Achiga universe did not have evidence of this until the Semifinals (it definitely didn't help Koshigaya or Kentani in the slightest).
Yeah.. they never really state it in the main manga huh?

Then again, it kinda reminds me of what happened during the final against Koromo. That time where Yumi was actually in tenpai Kokushi makes me think that 3rd years student are pretty amazing to pull of something like that without actual occult ability.

My guess is that the 3rd year ability on getting faster tenpai wasn't that prominent because they're constantly overshadowed by Kiyosumi's player ability or when a 3rd year has some sort of ability. Take Mihoko for example, we wouldn't know whether her hand rate is faster or not because she's already a good player to begin with and we'll be focusing too much with her eye ability. It's only on Achiga where we got a view point from a normal not 3rd year student against 3rd year student... of course, I don't think that will happen in main manga since all the 1st year are monsters and Mako is a pretty strong player too
__________________
その光りは、単なる一筋の光りではない。人類の希望を繋いだ。


Von Himmel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-01-08, 09:24   Link #2648
Peanutbutter
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Green One View Post
Actually it's the one who plays 2nd who gets the technique from their partner. So Saki would go all cyber angel on them.
That will be a brilliant idea!

Read the latest Achiga chapter (bits and pieces), yep, this semis #1 final round is gonna be epic. No more Awai horsing around!

EDIT: Can the anime squeeze everything into 1 episode?

Last edited by Peanutbutter; 2013-01-08 at 09:54.
Peanutbutter is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-01-08, 09:41   Link #2649
night_sentinel
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Earth
^

Doesn't Saki already have that mode? Against Momo she kinda used digital mode to break her invisibility didn't she?

I don't think this is her channeling Nodoka though, the anime implied she got it from her stint on playing online during the training camp.

And oh yeah, Chapter 107 preliminary translation out. Thanks to /u/.
Here is the link
http://www.mediafire.com/?7ol9ztezvylbc98
night_sentinel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-01-08, 09:45   Link #2650
Sol Falling
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Age: 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by Felyndiira View Post
Still, my biggest annoyance with this chapter is not the potential to deus ex Shizu. I'm mostly ticked that the mangaka decided that Ryuuka's playing style would basically be co-dependent on Toki as well. I mean, yes, I get that they love each other outside of the game and I'm totally fine with it, but at least give her a distinct playing style of her own rather than have all of her wins be attributed to Toki as well.
To be a bit more precise about Ryuuka's spoilered developments for the coming chapter, it seems like the telepathic Toki thing is something that developed just now in this game. Given that Ryuuka is shown to have already had her share of accomplishments prior to this match, I think there must certainly be some other level of genuine skill which gave her her past standings (like highest average point gain in all of Kansai). While certainly Ritz could disappoint us by not showing Ryuuka having any skill of her own, for the moment I'm satisfied to be optimistic and enjoy the new development with Toki, which is very cute and adorable.

Quote:
The thing I don't like about the theory is that it is not only not mentioned, but also not even suggested (through play or otherwise) by the main manga. Sera's monologue suggested that it was enough to push her far behind players that were supposed to be weaker than she is - and yet, some of the most prominent players in the inter-high individuals were first or second years in the previous year (5/6 of the top six in the individuals, for one - Teru, Kei, Satoha, Hiroe, and Mukuru). We also regularly see second year players like Mako or Kinue perform well against third-year opponents, and third year opponents who could not complete their hands in any sort of comparable speed.

In fact, Senriyama players aside, there was no evidence of this 'third year hand completion rate' whatsoever in the Saki universe. Even the Achiga universe did not have evidence of this until the Semifinals (it definitely didn't help Koshigaya or Kentani in the slightest).
Speaking about this concept in Saki, I don't think of it as any sort of occult "third years magically get to tempai easier" but as a motivational thing. Because third years know that it is their last chance in the nationals, and also because they have experienced former failure and nervousness on that stage and want to revenge their failures, their motivation gives them a psychological boost, causing them to play better. As a psychological factor, it makes a ton of sense.

With regards to why this effect might not show up for every third year, or for every school, I think a lot of it must have to do with past experience. Only regular/veteran schools like Senriyama or Himematsu would usually have the luxury of having repeat players at the nationals. Not having the nervous feelings of being their first time at the nationals, but at the same time having the motivation of knowing it is their last chance at it, is probably one of the key components of this factor. For example, we saw the crippling effect that Hisa's nervousness had in her quarterfinal game.

There is also the issue that this sort of psychological effect probably only exists for non-occult players of the game. For schools like Eisui or Miyamori, which have a strong occult awareness, not only will they have more natural confidence in their own strength from the very beginning but they will also be more strongly aware of the strength of others. To a degree this might be a negative because that means they will be more willing to accept defeat by "monsters" which they know are stronger than them, and less passionate in going all out to overcome all challenges.

On some level we have seen that psychological factors have always had an effect on player performance in Saki. Tons of characters have said things like "I felt my hand began coming together after I regained my determination". FunaQ's "third year bonus" is just an extension of one common case of these psychological factors. Especially for players who are far apart from the occult world, I think such things might be common.
__________________
Seasonal enjoyment ratings:
HappinessCharge Precure 100/5 :: Stardust Crusaders 80/5 :: Mushishi S2 90/5 :: Akuma no Riddle: 15/5 :: Inugami-san to Nekoyama-san 24/5 :: GochiUsa 33/5 :: Soul Eater NOT! 18/5 :: Love Live! S2 80/5
Summer: Sailor Moon Crystal 24/5 :: Hanayamata 30/5 :: Locodol 30/5 :: Yama no Susume 100/5 :: Momo Kyun Sword 11/5
God-tier yuri oneshot mangaka: Minase Ruruu
Yuri Precure otaku manga: Shinozaki-san ki wo ota shika ni
Awesome shoujo manga: Last Game
Sol Falling is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-01-08, 11:27   Link #2651
The Green One
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
I guess Ryuuka and Himeko are just competing to see who's powerup is gayer. I suppose why Ryuuka's seems so strange is that there was no warning at all about it, it was just suddenly there, instead of Himeko where it was refereed to from the start.

Ryuuka has been said to have gotten here from her own merit, this is really a way from the author to show moar Toki rather then imply this as one of Ryuuka's skills. Toki did turn out to be far more popular than anyone originally anticipated after all. It's just that Ryuuka's thighs have absorbed Toki essence since she has Toki's head glued to it 20 hours out of the day.

The third year powerup thing might be a little odd, but maybe Achiga was where it was first actually pointed out. It's really not even the craziest thing we're expected to swallow in the series at that. The psychological aspect is probably the closest logical explanation we'll get out of this. It probably is a combination of their experience, skill, intensified focus guiding them to tenpai and the abnormal sakiverse luck helping them along, but it's necessary to have the requisite skill level to use the status buff properly or it can become useless.

As for Shizu it can be a little harder to accept a sudden jump in her power as we haven't had the luxury of looking over her shoulder while she level grinds up to it like we have been for Yukki. All I can really say is lets give the author a chance to state her case on the subject before we start judging.

Also, I'm ready for the Awai rapeage to begin. Cmon you cutesy bundle of demonicness. Show us why we should tremble in terror before you. If you're going to be the final boss of the main series you need to show us why....
The Green One is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-01-08, 14:18   Link #2652
teja208
Critical fanboy
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Anywhere with anime and anime discussion is fine
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Green One View Post
I guess Ryuuka and Himeko are just competing to see who's powerup is gayer. I suppose why Ryuuka's seems so strange is that there was no warning at all about it, it was just suddenly there, instead of Himeko where it was refereed to from the start.

Ryuuka has been said to have gotten here from her own merit, this is really a way from the author to show moar Toki rather then imply this as one of Ryuuka's skills. Toki did turn out to be far more popular than anyone originally anticipated after all. It's just that Ryuuka's thighs have absorbed Toki essence since she has Toki's head glued to it 20 hours out of the day.
Indeed, I believe that Ritz-sensei is capable of coming up with other ideas for Ryuuka's ability without using Toki telepathy, but then that wouldn't be a surprising as well as touching development would it? Then there is of course adding fuel to TokixRyuuka shippers.

As for Awai, she has been taking quite a lot of hits this chapter effectively droping Shiraitodai to last place. While I'm not fond of this development as it undermines Shiraitodai reputation as the strongest HS, I find Awai is quite similar to Saki in a way, Awai seems like the type that takes her time with her opponents before start getting serious. Then again, she's a little too relax even for a national-class monster. I get it that she loves raising bars on herself and making the match more challenging for her, but things is she isn't playing in the individual match. She plays captain position to boot so she is responsible for her team victory, and how her carelessness can result the whole team losing.
teja208 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-01-08, 14:45   Link #2653
Used Can
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
I don't think Shizu needs a power-up and I don't think we'll see such a thing. To begin with, the gap between Achiga, Shindouji and Senriyama isn't even big. We should also consider that Awai hasn't even been paying attention to Shizu so far, and right now she's about to start doing her thing. So, my guess is she will be aiming for both Ryuuka and Himeko. So, keeping a low profile would be all Shizu needs to do to end up on second place or maybe even first, considering Awai has let Ryuuka and Himeko to send her to last place.

If that isn't enough, my guess is it will all come down to Akado giving hints to Shizu about her opponents, how the match might follow and what she will have to do. I do find this to be completely silly, considering mahjong is one of the hardest games to predict, even considering the way the players go into it. But well, Achiga has pretty much been running con plot conveniences; so, this is nothing new.

I've got to admit, though, I'm highly disappointed on Shiraitodai. Other than Teru and maybe Awai, neither of them proved themselves to be the great players they were once hyped to be. I got a similar feeling from Eisui who didn't live up to the hype, but Shiraitodai had been hyped from even before and much more. They were supposed to be like the BIG opponent. Even Ryuumonbuchi gave me a much more ominous feeling when they were the opponents. And with how Kiyosumi is playing now, plus the fucked up stuff Saki keeps on pulling... I've got to say I'm more worried about Achiga because of their plot conveniences, than on Shiraitodai being good.
__________________
"The name is Tin; Used is just an alias. I'm everything Shoe Box would like to be." - Used Can of the Aluminium Kingdom
Used Can is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-01-08, 18:25   Link #2654
Bladezer
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Somethings I want to note down on Ryuuka, I'm going to be seriously disappointed if she does have an ability, because well Senriyama is supposed to be a school with just straight up good players (excluding Izumi of course). Mainly because, wasn't Sera supposed to be the strongest player in Senriyama?

Plus I'm going to call complete bullshit if Ryuuka turns out to be 'the true dragon lord' people keep calling her. Because it would imply that she easily gets dragon tiles, meaning she get yakuman hands when everyone else has to work for the, even though's with abilities, as shown with Teru, having to snowball into a yakuman, Saki having to build her kan streak to pull off a 4 melded kans, Hatsume has to get into the north seat and she doesn't always get the wind tiles that she needs, Komaki has to actually get the right goddess spirit to pull of yakumans, and finally Takami has to build up Yakuman for the final round. So I would find it very stupid if she could just bring dragon tiles into her hand, when everyone else has to work so hard to pull off yakuman hands.

Sorry I don't mean to sound mean to Ryuuka, but I find it annoying everyone calling her true dragon lord, when she supposed an example of a good non ability player.

Also with regards to Shiriaitoai, not being as powerful as their were foreshadowed to be, first off their in the semi-finals, meaning the best 8 in Japan, so their going to start having trouble, besides we know that Sumire can just ditch her ability and still play decently, while Takami still has the chance of spamming yakuman hands if she becomes dealer (And Seiko just sucks), and I have to point this out, there is nothing wrong in showing even the strongest team has weaknesses.

On the whole debate on 3rd years tenpai speed and dangerous first years, I'd say that Koromo, Jimdai and Kei were taken note of because o f how they won, Koromo winning mainly through haitai rouyai, it seems that Jindai pulled of multiple nine gates in the last tournament, and Kei possibly comes from the fact she's second only to Teru.

And I would like to point something to those who compare Achiga and their training with the Nagno teams. You all seem to forget that Achiga trained with Kazekoshi and Tsugura after the training camp Hisa held, meaning that they would all improve and be harder for Achiga to beat.
Also after training with Kei, Ako did have a line where she said they had trouble at first, but once they got going things improved for them.
Also with regards to when Achiga faced Ryuumbuchi, we don't know how Shizu and Koromo's match went, from the looks of it though Koromo did not win through busting her, meaning Shizu broke out of Koromo's tenpai hell and managed to win a few hands against her.

Images
Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload?

It seems to me in this image that Teru and Sumire might be worried about Awai awakening, could it be a case of Awai can't control her ability probably or that they think that she is revealing her true strength way to soon?

Also if Ryuuka gets to have Toki adising her with calls, Himeko gets double wins off of Mairu's wins, I say since Shizu is wearing Ako's uniform, she will suddenly gain Ako's potency to quickly build hands, or gain her calling sense, meaning that during her dealership she'll be able to build up a healthy score and sink someone below zero.
Spoiler for Spoiler:

Last edited by Bladezer; 2013-01-11 at 07:43.
Bladezer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-01-08, 18:28   Link #2655
Sumeragi
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Dai Korai Teikoku
Quote:
Originally Posted by Used Can View Post
I've got to admit, though, I'm highly disappointed on Shiraitodai. Other than Teru and maybe Awai, neither of them proved themselves to be the great players they were once hyped to be. I got a similar feeling from Eisui who didn't live up to the hype, but Shiraitodai had been hyped from even before and much more. They were supposed to be like the BIG opponent. Even Ryuumonbuchi gave me a much more ominous feeling when they were the opponents. And with how Kiyosumi is playing now, plus the fucked up stuff Saki keeps on pulling... I've got to say I'm more worried about Achiga because of their plot conveniences, than on Shiraitodai being good.
One important thing: Shiraitodai has not been playing at full strength except Teru and possibly Awai.
Sumeragi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-01-08, 18:45   Link #2656
Marina2
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
About SHIRATODAI skill, I think we hoped too much on the word strongest.

We thought that if common team power level is around 3, Shiratodai power must be 10 , but in Ritz mind, the gap may be closer, like good team is around 8 or 9 and Shiratodai is 10.
__________________
http://forums.animesuki.com/images/as.icon/signaturepics/sigpic44739_1.gif
Marina2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-01-08, 19:09   Link #2657
The Green One
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
I fully understand that Shiratodai is not being shown as the all destroying monsters in this game to preserve drama for the main series finals and to give the other three teams in the current match a chance. I mean cmon now, after the beatdown Teru administered the next three players HAD to get their asses handed to them in a sling to keep the other three teams in the game rather then relating it to a less interesting "who's going to get a hopelessly behind 2nd place" battle.

I mean if the other teams were shown to have no chance at all versus Shiratodai then it wouldn't matter who'd make it to the finals from Side A as they'd be treated as a joke and not taken seriously.

As disappointing as it is to see Shiratodai get beaten up like this, you have to admit the alternative would make the series a great deal more boring. Shiratodai will have the finals in the main series to show true power.

Or to job again.

We'll see.
The Green One is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-01-08, 19:38   Link #2658
Used Can
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bladezer View Post
Images
Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload?
I can translate that for you:
Spoiler for Translation:


Quote:
Originally Posted by Sumeragi View Post
One important thing: Shiraitodai has not been playing at full strength except Teru and possibly Awai.
I know, but I expected them to be more ominous. They sure look strong, but it isn't what I believe they had been hyped to be.
__________________
"The name is Tin; Used is just an alias. I'm everything Shoe Box would like to be." - Used Can of the Aluminium Kingdom
Used Can is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-01-08, 21:22   Link #2659
Requiem-x
The slacking one
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by Used Can View Post
I know, but I expected them to be more ominous. They sure look strong, but it isn't what I believe they had been hyped to be.
That's just how Ritz rolls. Everyone has a cute side to them so you don't have someone 100% evil (though it's not working that well with Saki herself lately) and that way you can like them all. I actually like the human, sort of slow Teru, and even wish Sumire softened up a little, but that's just me.

Also, wow, I never expected this chapter to create such a large discussion. It's good to see others put so much thought into the series, but as for me, I'll stay in a corner and enjoy the new level of gay and crazy this chapter has achieved.

Please do something cool next time, Shizu. I want to keep liking you, I really do.
Requiem-x is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-01-08, 22:21   Link #2660
Grand Phoenix
The Master of Turkeys
 
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Watching the Dark Portal
Age: 24
Why this series doesn't have an actual fantasy retelling is beyond me, although the mahjong avatars suffice. Seeing these new chapters only reinforces that notion.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Requiem-x
I actually like the human, sort of slow Teru
There is now an image of Teru as a big, fluffy bear in my mind. A big, fluffy bear that would probably eat you alive if given the choice. It's kinda amusing and intimidating.
Grand Phoenix is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
mahjong, nopan, seinen, sport, yuri

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:16.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
We use Silk.