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Old 2013-01-06, 06:23   Link #2301
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And come on, the saving Satoko is clearly one of the most exciting parts of the serie (or at least in the VN and manga... Seriously it was boring in the anime), Kei is the best for this kind of thing, of course he is the main here. Plus he don't do much in Matsuribayashi, everyone had a shinning moment in the story, so what is the problem ?
I don't like Keiichi, :P In Arc-1-4 He was just a big asshole and in arc5-8 He magicly becomes "Badass". Nope, I never Liked Keiichi and never will . Also I also think Satoko saving arc was stretched to the point when it was Booring, Yes in the VN too .
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Old 2013-01-06, 06:34   Link #2302
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I liked Keiichi best in Arc 4

No, I just think Satoshi should be the male lead character because he's very interesting while Keiichi is more like the average youthful hero, at least in Minagoroshi and Matsuribayashi. I think all the female characters are more interesting than Keiichi, who (in my humble interpretation) is something like a blank space to reflect the reader's experience with the story.
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Old 2013-01-06, 08:57   Link #2303
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I liked Keiichi best in Arc 4
Keiichi wasn't in the arc4 ...Or was this a joke? OHHH I see it Nice one
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No, I just think Satoshi should be the male lead character because he's very interesting while Keiichi is more like the average youthful hero, at least in Minagoroshi and Matsuribayashi. I think all the female characters are more interesting than Keiichi, who (in my humble interpretation) is something like a blank space to reflect the reader's experience with the story.
Agreed!!!! You just said the same exact stuff I was thinking
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Old 2013-01-06, 11:16   Link #2304
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"About shining moments: I think Keiichi is the only character who gets this kind of superstar treatment. Other characters have to kill people to get attention in Higurashi.
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Don't think so. Tomitake, Irie, Akasaka, Oishi, Kasai and Hanyű had shinning moments in Matsuribayshi, same for Satoko and Mion, the rest of the club had full arcs for them.


"I don't like Keiichi, :P In Arc-1-4 He was just a big asshole and in arc5-8 He magicly becomes "Badass"."

On the other way I usually don't ike the main chars, that's not the case for Kei and Battler ;p Asshole ? When ? And remember, if he became "badass" in the 6th and 7th arcs, it's because he remembered stuff from previous worlds. He fully used his skill of talking, like Mion's lead and Satoko's traps in Matsuribayashi.
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Old 2013-01-06, 16:11   Link #2305
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On the other way I usually don't ike the main chars, that's not the case for Kei and Battler ;p Asshole ? When ? And remember, if he became "badass" in the 6th and 7th arcs, it's because he remembered stuff from previous worlds. He fully used his skill of talking, like Mion's lead and Satoko's traps in Matsuribayashi.
He was a big asshole to Mion, My Fav Char...
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Old 2013-01-08, 04:26   Link #2306
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He was a big asshole to Mion, My Fav Char...

Oh You're exagerating, if you refer to Onikakushi it was mainly the fault of the desease, and if you're talking about the doll, he felt sorry for the whole arc because of that.
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Old 2013-01-08, 05:09   Link #2307
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Oh You're exagerating, if you refer to Onikakushi it was mainly the fault of the desease, and if you're talking about the doll, he felt sorry for the whole arc because of that.
No, I am talking about Tatarigoroshi, When the loser tried to save Satoko, He was calling Mion a bitch for having a big house and wealthy Family while he had a big house and a wealthy family too, I loved how Rena told him off in that scene. He is stupid and he exagurates everything, Did he honestly believe that a snotty 16 year old like himself would do something usefull at that kind of situation. He was not just mean to Mion, He screamed at Rika and Chie too. He calls everyone useless and he thinks he cares about Satoko the most. That is pretty selfish. He was blaming Tepeis Cameback on his friends and others. Even In Minagoroshi, it was Mions family who saved Satoko, Oryo just needed convincing..
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if you refer to Onikakushi it was mainly the fault of the desease,
No , Actually , It was a natural reaction at what might one get when something so creppy happened in the village you live.. Plus the syndrome....
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if you're talking about the doll, he felt sorry for the whole arc because of that.
That , actually was not a assholic behavior and I think he never needed to apologize for that. Mion is a girl, she was hurt, but she knew she was being selfish. But that selfish tears awaked Shion , and Shion blames the doll thing on Keiichi. Keiichi missunderstand (Anyway , I'm pretty sure you know this stuff already but XD still wrote it...)
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Old 2013-01-08, 18:57   Link #2308
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He may have a big house and wealthy family, but his family holds no sway in Hinamizawa. Mion's family does (practically owns the place). His family tries to do something, nothing will happen for Satoko. Mion's family says something, the whole town jumps in. Such is the power of traditional power in regions and families.
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Old 2013-01-09, 03:38   Link #2309
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He may have a big house and wealthy family, but his family holds no sway in Hinamizawa. Mion's family does (practically owns the place). His family tries to do something, nothing will happen for Satoko. Mion's family says something, the whole town jumps in. Such is the power of traditional power in regions and families.
Keiichi was not talking about the influence of the families in that scene, he was talking about if the house was big enough for Satoko to stay
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Old 2013-01-09, 09:31   Link #2310
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They where all stressed out and without options at that point, I don't think it'd be fair to judge a character from that kind of scene.
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They where all stressed out and without options at that point, I don't think it'd be fair to judge a character from that kind of scene.
They were stressed , but only Keiichi was yelling. And this is not the only scene That I don't like him in. As I said, He thinks he cares for Satoko the most and tries to show that with yelling and blaming others for their uselessness.I think he was actually searching for someone to blame ,because he did not want to accept that he can't do anything for Satoko and let's admit it, Killing Tepei, Is not a rational solution (Altho , It was the syndrome here, so I don't blame him at that point), Before he killed Teppei, Or got the idea of killing him he was acting selfish and rude to everyone around him.
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Old 2013-01-09, 10:50   Link #2312
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Shion was exactly the same in Minagoroshi.
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Shion was exactly the same in Minagoroshi.
I'm not talking about Shion here, I am talking about Keiichi Meabara and I don't care If Shion did Something similar.But fine , You want to compare . Alright.
I don't like Keiichi when he is a funny-goofy idiot too , He annoys me. But I love Shion , And there is no denying that she is just as selfish as Keiichi . But I like her more than him, Because she does not annoy me and in my Opinion She's actually pretty badass. Don't get me wrong, I never liked those scenes when She was Mean to Mion in Watanagashi and to the rest in Minagoroshi.
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Old 2013-01-10, 08:41   Link #2314
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I think we can close the debate here, talking about Shion was a great idea in the end : You like when she's badass but not Keiichi. Those are just preferences. Kei isn't an asshole like you said,you just don't like him ;p
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And who Said I was forcing my opinion on anybody? Keiichi is an asshole in my eyes, and he is especially bad in Tatarigoroshi, Why are you bringing Shion here, Try to justify his actions to others in tatarigoroshi and don't say he was mean because He cared about Satoko or he was in Hinamizawa Syndrome . And as for the Shion thing, did you read what I said? When She acted the same way as Kei , I disliked that.(You should know this the best, since you remember my reaction on that Manga arc you showed me...) So no, Bringing Shion and comparing her to Kei was not a good idea after all. The debate is about Keiichi and Not Shion.. and Yes you are right, I don't like Keiichi and that is what I have been trying to say all this time....Sheesh
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Old 2013-01-10, 09:37   Link #2316
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Kei asshole : Don't like
Shion asshole : Don't like
Kei badass : Don't like
Shion badass : Like

Got what you said, I meant it like that. He may have been an asshole in this part, he's not like that everytime, nobody is perfect. Except Perfect Cell.
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Ehh...I'm done debating about this
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Old 2013-01-14, 06:06   Link #2318
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The "problem" about Keiichi is that he has a big advantage towards others. He can remember his mistakes in the past worlds and can save others from behaving the same way like Rena in Tsumihoroboshi and Shion in Minagoroshi, because he learned from his mistakes. Actually Rena tried to save him in Onikakushi, but we only see it through Keiichi's distorted eyes. Regarding this, you see Keiichi is treated differently from the others, because the educational aspect of the story is focused completely on him.
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The "problem" about Keiichi is that he has a big advantage towards others. He can remember his mistakes in the past worlds and can save others from behaving the same way like Rena in Tsumihoroboshi and Shion in Minagoroshi, because he learned from his mistakes. Actually Rena tried to save him in Onikakushi, but we only see it through Keiichi's distorted eyes. Regarding this, you see Keiichi is treated differently from the others, because the educational aspect of the story is focused completely on him.
Keiichi only remembered past worlds once, in Tsumihoroboshi-hen. In Minagoroshi-hen, all the characters were acting to avoid past mistakes, even if they didn't explicitly remember them.
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Old 2013-05-17, 08:54   Link #2320
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Is this the thread to discuss Hinamizawa Bus Stop?

It's quite interesting from what I've seen so far. Rika and Mion are there but different... but it also looks like there are expies of Battler and Gohda from Umineko.

The reporter looks familiar. Didn't we see someone like him in the 20 years later arc of the Manga for Higurashi? The one with Shion all grown up and a Yakuza queen? Or maybe he's a gender-swapped version of Takano?

I've only read translations of the first 3 chapters but I'm looking forward to more.
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