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Old 2013-01-16, 01:41   Link #2961
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I still think you guys are jumping to conclusions, but meh. I'll just wait and see what happens.
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Old 2013-01-16, 01:54   Link #2962
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It's easy to jump to conclusions when you're this excited about something, I guess that's a good way to look at it.

I wouldn't mind at all if my suspicions are completely wrong either, I love when anime surprises me, that's a good part of why I like this series so much in the first place.
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Old 2013-01-16, 03:19   Link #2963
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What I am curious about is what really the studio have in mind for us in episode 5 (Stage 18). They said some twist is going to happen in that episode kinda like Star Wars.
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Old 2013-01-16, 04:16   Link #2964
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What I am curious about is what really the studio have in mind for us in episode 5 (Stage 18). They said some twist is going to happen in that episode kinda like Star Wars.
The whole "Chieri was genetically engineered by her dad to be the perfect idol in order to be a test subject for his Kirara experiments" theory is looking mighty plausible right now. I mean, all the evidence seems to fit.

So instead of "I am your father" I guess we might get "You are a test tube baby"?
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Old 2013-01-16, 06:41   Link #2965
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The whole "Chieri was genetically engineered by her dad to be the perfect idol in order to be a test subject for his Kirara experiments" theory is looking mighty plausible right now. I mean, all the evidence seems to fit.

So instead of "I am your father" I guess we might get "You are a test tube baby"?
I also start giving that theory more credit after ep 2, although if he needed her specially to shine from the very beginning I wonder why he says her value increased only after the trial.

But then comes the question on why couldn't he use any others AKB girls for what he wants, boosting any promising member on the shadows. Although one possible explanation that comes to mind is that since Acchan disappeared, there haven't been any girl with the potential to shine Zodiac needed, and after the trial he saw that potential in Chieri.
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Old 2013-01-16, 10:14   Link #2966
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The whole "Chieri was genetically engineered by her dad to be the perfect idol in order to be a test subject for his Kirara experiments" theory is looking mighty plausible right now. I mean, all the evidence seems to fit.
I have yet to see any convincing evidence of that.
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Old 2013-01-16, 11:33   Link #2967
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The whole "Chieri was genetically engineered by her dad to be the perfect idol in order to be a test subject for his Kirara experiments" theory is looking mighty plausible right now. I mean, all the evidence seems to fit.

So instead of "I am your father" I guess we might get "You are a test tube baby"?
I might be surprised if Nagisa was a test tube baby too... But it's unlikely to happen!
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Old 2013-01-16, 12:45   Link #2968
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Well, this left me dumbfounded in a good way!

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...b0048-tv-anime
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Old 2013-01-16, 12:50   Link #2969
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So we can change that "CR" to an "L". I agree, this is one show I did not expect to get picked up.
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Old 2013-01-16, 13:18   Link #2970
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I have yet to see any convincing evidence of that.
Really?

For one thing, she's shown to have more natural talent than anyone else in her generation. At the same time, towards the beginning of the series she lacked the "idol spirit" that came more naturally to the other girls, preferring to work alone and whatnot. Recall Mayuyu's warning to her in episode 3 and her behavior in episode 5. It took a while for her to really integrate with the rest of the girls.

Meanwhile, we know that Kawamori Chieri's dad is experimenting with Kirara technology, and it's heavily implied in episode 14 that he sees his daughter as no more than a means to that end. Then in episode 15, it appears that he's counting on Chieri's success to further his business plans. Combined with the ominous way in which the photographer lady (former Minegishi the 5th) mentions the sponsors backing Chieri, it looks like almost everyone has concluded that it's Zodiac or Zodiac-controlled front organizations that are sponsoring her.

This would all fit with the modus operandi of someone who doesn't really understand the "idol spirit" trying to create an idol artificially. Give her all the skills, give her all the corporate backing, but don't worry as much about her team spirit or relationship with the other girls (in episode 15, all that solo work may be making her more popular, but it's distancing her from her teammates).

I could see them playing this into some message about how it's not what you're born as that determines who you are, but the decisions you make. Chieri discovers her past and her father's actions, despairs thinking that all her life has been a lie and all her success was artificial (she has similar doubts in episode 15), but then Nagisa and the rest remind her of their friendship and say that everything she did she chose to do herself, and that's what counts.

(Hey, maybe she'll even turn to the Dark Side for a while. It's not an uncommon scenario, if they want to pursue a "determinism vs. free will" plot. Chieri concludes that because she was created as a Zodiac test subject, she has no business in 00 and should obediently work for the Zodiac side. Basically, she gives in to her inherent nature and "fate", and her friends have to force her to realize that she can choose the side of light, etc. etc.)

Anyway of course this is all speculation, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's totally wrong, but from what we have so far, it seems to fit.
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Old 2013-01-16, 14:16   Link #2971
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It is all very speculative, none of the evidence for which really points to Chieri being anything besides an ordinary girl. Don't borrow trouble for her. My poor Chieri has enough as it is.

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Well, this left me dumbfounded in a good way!

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...b0048-tv-anime
That will be interesting. I wouldn't mind owning this series.
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Old 2013-01-16, 15:12   Link #2972
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Well, this left me dumbfounded in a good way!

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...b0048-tv-anime
So does this means second season is confirmed to be 13 episodes or is this a information ANN thought it was official but isn't? I already am expecting it to be 13, but I wish it can be more...
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Old 2013-01-16, 20:23   Link #2973
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I really fell in love with Chieri!!!

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Old 2013-01-16, 21:41   Link #2974
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So does this means second season is confirmed to be 13 episodes or is this a information ANN thought it was official but isn't? I already am expecting it to be 13, but I wish it can be more...
Their forum discussion is entertaining to read, though. Yeah, of course, some are asking for dubbed versions, not knowing that they'll never be able to hear the voice-acting efforts of the No Name girls.
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Old 2013-01-16, 21:45   Link #2975
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Their forum discussion is entertaining to read, though. Yeah, of course, some are asking for dubbed versions, not knowing that they'll never be able to hear the voice-acting efforts of the No Name girls.
^THIS TIME x9000

I am happy it got licensed. At least I can buy the BD when they arrive here in USA. I just hope they include the original Japanese audio.
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Old 2013-01-16, 22:10   Link #2976
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^THIS TIME x9000

I am happy it got licensed. At least I can buy the BD when they arrive here in USA. I just hope they include the original Japanese audio.
Since when do they not include it? It is far more likely to be released without any English dubbing at all than for them to strip out the Japanese audio and replace it.
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Old 2013-01-16, 23:08   Link #2977
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Sweet finely got licensed it would be nice to get it dub
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Old 2013-01-16, 23:18   Link #2978
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Why in Heaven's name would you want someone else to do the voices? The music wouldn't make any sense then!
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Old 2013-01-17, 05:54   Link #2979
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I think they should stick to original Japanese version of all AKB48 (and No Name) songs, then they should worry about the English dub!
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Old 2013-01-17, 06:19   Link #2980
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