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Old 2013-01-16, 17:07   Link #41
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At least others have done something in previous fights.
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Old 2013-01-16, 17:37   Link #42
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Hinata pretty much saved him from losing to Pein actually.
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Old 2013-01-16, 17:39   Link #43
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It would have been the same if any of Rock Lee/Sakura/Shikamaru had jumped down to defend Naruto.
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Old 2013-01-16, 18:01   Link #44
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^^Yeah, but they didn't. Therefore, she should get credit for it. Besides, that's nothing more than an assumption. Truth be told, we'll probably never know if the confession combined with her sacrifice is what drove Naruto over the edge or if seeing just anyone slaughtered in front of him would've had the exact same impact.

On another note, I don't think its right to single out Hinata like this. I mean its not like she's had a fight to herself since the chuunin exams where she had ample opportunity to show her development in her fighting prowess. Besides, she's contributed to the war as well and has felt just as relevant as characters like Kiba, Shino, Neji, and Lee. Hell, she still feels even more relevant than Sakura right now. Plus, she just pulled the guy who's the x-factor of this battle out of his slump--which was pretty important. And that's not something I think just anyone else could've done.

Long story short, she's relevant. She may not always be incredibly relevant for her fighting prowess, but relevancy isn't and shouldn't always be determined by such a thing.
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Old 2013-01-16, 18:31   Link #45
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If Oro had a technique to get his arms back, wouldn't he have used it before trying to take control of Sasukes body?
what was the point of getting his arms back, they weren't necessarily his to begin with he just changes bodies and using the arms from those bodies.
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Old 2013-01-16, 18:45   Link #46
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lol Madara is so cool he doesn't give a damn about the alliance plan, he just keeps smiling..
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Old 2013-01-16, 19:32   Link #47
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I didn't expect that the ones to know everything would be in Konoha. It can't be the elders, since they don't know too much that's why they were so irrelevant to the fate of Konoha and to the plot itself. I think it can't be the Uchiha clan members either since they don't know everything either, apart from the stuff that's relevant for the Uchiha clan, for example where were they on the night the kyuubi attacked Konoha and such.

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this is pretty irrelevant to the chapter, but seeing Oro and Sasuke made me wonder what that scroll Suigetsu and Jugo found was. It's a bit random, but I have a theory.

I think that the scroll/jutsu is to reverse/remove the Shiki Fujin, the reaper death seal that Minato and Sarutobi used. Sarutobi sealed Hashirama and Tobirama and himself along with Oro's arms (last one probably won't be significant). And Minato used it to seal himself AND half of the Kyuubi's chakra i think (I'm not sure if Kushina was sealed too). So imagine if the reaper death seal was removed, Oro could then summon Minato/Sarutobi and restore the Kyuubi's chakra.

Idk if he would be able to summon Hashirama and Tobirama because I read somewhere that you can't revive the same person twice.
The 4 hokages sealed inside the death god must have a very extensive knowledge about the Narutoverse and Konoha's history. On top of that they are super-powerful, because:
- 1st was stronger than Madara and could control any bijuu
- 3rd was the strongest of all in his prime, and seeing how the old tsichikage had the best performance against Madara out of the 5 current kage i say Sarutobi was a beast. He was kage for a very long time, which itself is proof of his strenght and also he should know much about history
- 4th who was very fast but to me it did seem he wasn't particularly strong physically, however if half of the kyuubi is sealed inside him then his strength and durability as an Edo Tensei should be on insane levels which if coupled with his super-speed and teleportation would make him the strongest of all

Suigetsu even said that they could rule the world, if someone can use the 4 hokages as a summon then he has the stronest ninja team in history, so he definitely could rule the world.

Also using the hokages who died defending konoha to rule the world and rule over konoha would be a perfect act of revenge. It would be a smart and evil revenge that would fit the current Sasuke who after meeting Itachi is not a mindless killer any more, he began using his brain but his intention didn't change, which made his much more dangerous.

And finally who wouldn't like to see a big fight between Sasuke and Naruto where Naruto has to fight the 4 hokages and in particular he has to fight his own father who also happens to have half of kyuubi's chakra inside of him. Defeating these 4 hokages would also make Naruto surpass all previous hokages which was his initial goal in this whole story. ( also it would funny if the secret of how to bring a soul out of the death god was described in the scroll of forbidden jutsu that Naruto stole in the very beginning of the manga, the one from which he learned the kage bunshin )
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Old 2013-01-16, 19:52   Link #48
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lol Madara is so cool he doesn't give a damn about the alliance plan, he just keeps smiling..
Madara hasn't even fought yet. He could still summon some meteors, or go Full Susano'o, or split into a hundred Jounin-level clones and just start killing people left and right. Hell, in some respects, Madara is more powerful than the Jyuubi currently (mostly in terms of diversity of abilities and experience).
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Old 2013-01-16, 22:05   Link #49
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Madara hasn't even fought yet. He could still summon some meteors, or go Full Susano'o, or split into a hundred Jounin-level clones and just start killing people left and right. Hell, in some respects, Madara is more powerful than the Jyuubi currently (mostly in terms of diversity of abilities and experience).
Or, he's too busy trying to control the Jyuubi to even fight
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Old 2013-01-16, 22:34   Link #50
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No offense , I respect your opinion but, Naruhina Juubi beat down would have been more cornier and chesier than the chapter we got today...
true i guess, but it was something i wanted to see
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Old 2013-01-16, 23:32   Link #51
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about the hokages being unsealed. i'd say it's pretty much bound to happen. showing the hokage monument in this chapter was pure foreshadowing to what the scroll will do. there's simply no way that the series will end will the 4 previous hokages in eternal torment and what better time than right now to free them? I could see a sasuke vs elder fight delaying the unsealing but then there wouldn't be much else in their way
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Old 2013-01-16, 23:39   Link #52
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^^Yeah, but they didn't. Therefore, she should get credit for it.

Besides, she's contributed to the war as well and has felt just as relevant as characters like Kiba, Shino, Neji, and Lee. Hell, she still feels even more relevant than Sakura right now.
uh, i think it's kishi who deserves the credit for that, not hinata. it's kishi who pulls the strings after all. he could've chosen to use any of the other characters but he chose her for obvious reasons, something that's been heavily speculated on for the past few chapters.

hey, kishi just drew a pretty nice cover art with sakura in it, not hinata but sakura! is that his way of saying "sorry" for ignoring her and making hinata more significant in this war so far? i'm guessing he's trying to appease the sakura fans for the last two chapters.
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Old 2013-01-16, 23:48   Link #53
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Well he's responsible for the manga, so it reasons to say everything is his credit, a moot point.
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Old 2013-01-17, 00:30   Link #54
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showing the hokage monument in this chapter was pure foreshadowing to what the scroll will do.
The Hokage Monument is the goto establishing reference image for Konoha. It is the defining mark that best establishes the scene. So, there need be no foreshadowing.

That being said, I really dislike the idea of there being such a simplistic way to escape the Death God's stomach. I know death is a bit of a joke in the series, what with everyone and their grandma being revived one way or another, but to just casually (or even with another sacrifice) unseal a soul from the Death God's clutches seems a little unnecessary...then again, the only other option is Madara defeating the death god (with the Jyuubi), and that would be far worse. All in all, I would prefer for Shiki Fuijin to be left alone, and the Death God to be powerful enough to not be so easily swayed.
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Old 2013-01-17, 01:13   Link #55
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since like 4-5 years ago i've had this vision that a susanoo will have to fight the death god. wtf is a susanoo anyway, it seems a pretty weird ability to have from your eyeballs. its probably going to have some backstory of the death god giving the sage his powers or yadiyada and the uchiha inheret this will...
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Old 2013-01-17, 07:57   Link #56
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Ha I know why Sasuke is in Konoha town (which is as craterless as before the P-bom :S). It's for the Nara porn! It has to be, I mean Sasuke being this repressed young fella must have finally succumbed to his hormones and realized that after dumping both Sakura and whatshernamewiththeredhair he would never be able to get laid. Thus he began his search for the Nara porn with the Uchiha child molester.
Thus ends another Naruto mystery.

Really the only thing this chapter gave us was Naruto properly answering Tobi as to how you should deal with emotional trauma's. It smelled bad though.
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Old 2013-01-17, 11:00   Link #57
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All in all, I would prefer for Shiki Fuijin to be left alone, and the Death God to be powerful enough to not be so easily swayed.
you would prefer the hokages to spend eternity in torment? the death god is a technique basically. if the shinigami can be summoned by a ninja to do their bidding and seal people, then why not the reverse? being dead is one thing, being in eternal torment is another. to leave the greatest heroes of konoha in such a state is pretty much impossible from a writing standpoint. the only one i can see being left in such a place is madara who may arguably somewhat enjoy an eternal fight in the death gods stomach

it's possible they are in konoha since that is where the death god 'ate' all the hokages and orochimaru's arms and 1/2 kyuubi. most likely though, it's where orochimaru has a secret lair that they need
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Old 2013-01-17, 11:25   Link #58
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you would prefer the hokages to spend eternity in torment? the death god is a technique basically. if the shinigami can be summoned by a ninja to do their bidding and seal people, then why not the reverse? being dead is one thing, being in eternal torment is another. to leave the greatest heroes of konoha in such a state is pretty much impossible from a writing standpoint. the only one i can see being left in such a place is madara who may arguably somewhat enjoy an eternal fight in the death gods stomach
The finality and sacrifice of the technique is something that makes it so 'ultimate'. That's not even going into the whole symbolic nature of the technique (the ultimate sacrifice to protect the ones you love), and reversing the technique would instantly make the symbolic nature of the jutsu meaningless (not to mention it would be kind of stupid if the previous Hokages never had their village use the reverse-technique to end their torment).
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Old 2013-01-17, 13:24   Link #59
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The 4 hokages sealed inside the death god must have a very extensive knowledge about the Narutoverse and Konoha's history. On top of that they are super-powerful, because:
- 1st was stronger than Madara and could control any bijuu
- 3rd was the strongest of all in his prime, and seeing how the old tsichikage had the best performance against Madara out of the 5 current kage i say Sarutobi was a beast. He was kage for a very long time, which itself is proof of his strenght and also he should know much about history
- 4th who was very fast but to me it did seem he wasn't particularly strong physically, however if half of the kyuubi is sealed inside him then his strength and durability as an Edo Tensei should be on insane levels which if coupled with his super-speed and teleportation would make him the strongest of all

Suigetsu even said that they could rule the world, if someone can use the 4 hokages as a summon then he has the stronest ninja team in history, so he definitely could rule the world.

Also using the hokages who died defending konoha to rule the world and rule over konoha would be a perfect act of revenge. It would be a smart and evil revenge that would fit the current Sasuke who after meeting Itachi is not a mindless killer any more, he began using his brain but his intention didn't change, which made his much more dangerous.

And finally who wouldn't like to see a big fight between Sasuke and Naruto where Naruto has to fight the 4 hokages and in particular he has to fight his own father who also happens to have half of kyuubi's chakra inside of him. Defeating these 4 hokages would also make Naruto surpass all previous hokages which was his initial goal in this whole story. ( also it would funny if the secret of how to bring a soul out of the death god was described in the scroll of forbidden jutsu that Naruto stole in the very beginning of the manga, the one from which he learned the kage bunshin )
I think you're taking it a little too far. I only suggested Minato and Sarutobi to be resurrected because they have never been resurrected before. I remember reading before that when you revive somebody, you can't un summon them and summon them back again. If that's accurate then that rules out the possibility of those 2 being re summoned by oro. But i'm not giving up on Hashirama not coming back to life. That flower Madara and Tobito have been growing is too suspicious. Plus, like you said, Hashirama was the strongest Ninja ever, and always one step higher than Madara, so I think he planned ahead after of his death the same way Madara did.

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about the hokages being unsealed. i'd say it's pretty much bound to happen. showing the hokage monument in this chapter was pure foreshadowing to what the scroll will do. there's simply no way that the series will end will the 4 previous hokages in eternal torment and what better time than right now to free them? I could see a sasuke vs elder fight delaying the unsealing but then there wouldn't be much else in their way
I've had the theory for a while i've just never remembered to share it. I'm sure somebody else had this theory before me. Again, i doubt the first 2 will be resurrected because they've been resurrected before. But the most important thing from the scroll is the Kyuubi's chakra, Minato said he sealed half of it with the Death God or w/e. You see how strong the Kyuubi is at Half? Thats ridiculous if he can get back to full power.

Or maybe the scroll is something else completely.
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Old 2013-01-17, 13:29   Link #60
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Please no revivals. Just no. Let people who are dead stay dead. Its hard as it is for Kishi to develop existing characters(or give them panel time), don't want to see more "ZOMG he's so powerful!!" characters just for the sake it.
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