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Old 2013-01-18, 20:08   Link #381
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Well at least we don't have to see a disturbing gameplay like this anymore.
That was one of the funniest things I've seen in gaming besides some Persona 4 scenes.

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Wasn't 'wanting to be Snake' more or less what Raiden was like in that game? :P
I think Raiden considered Snake a legend or hero and wanted to have such big determination in contrast to him who is ashamed of Jack the Ripper. Snake reacts pretty much like Kojima and says that he is just a soldier and that he can choose what to do about him. The Patriots really wanted him to become a replica of Snake during Solid 2 through Big Shell but after that they made him a cyborg so that he would be like Gray Fox.

I've no idea what was the Patriots' idea when kidnapping Raiden and turning him into a cyborg but the Metal Gear database says he was left to die by the Patriots and Big Mama/Eva saved him.
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Old 2013-01-18, 20:18   Link #382
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I've no idea what was the Patriots' idea when kidnapping Raiden and turning him into a cyborg but the Metal Gear database says he was left to die by the Patriots and Big Mama/Eva saved him.
I believe Patriots just tortured him by severing his body. I also don't know why they grafted cyborg body into him, though.... probably as an experiment for them / or act as a short-term "life support" for him (since all was left of him was the head and spine, minus his jaw) so they can continue to torture him.

Later, it was Dr. Madnar who made him into a proper cyborg. I believe it's to save his life too + Raiden's willingness to continue fighting (otherwise, he could just use a human cyborg body like his MGS4 ending)
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Old 2013-01-19, 02:54   Link #383
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It is also known to Raiden at that time Campbell and Rose had an "Affair" which Rose left Raiden aka Jack. This was done secretly to protect Raiden's family from the Patriots.
Poor Raiden had to endure such a fate. Heck even in MGS4 he was fighting w/out arms. Wonder if we will see that in MGR.
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Old 2013-01-19, 04:12   Link #384
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I'm hoping this game isn't cut scene heavy. Like Metal Gear Solid 4 was.
But because this is a spin-off and the gameplay looks really fun, we'll see.
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Old 2013-01-19, 07:14   Link #385
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Can anyone give me an opinion why rising isn't gettung as much flak as DmC? Just out of pure curiosity of what the two games did intheir development that makes their reception so wildly different from each other.
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Old 2013-01-19, 07:21   Link #386
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Can anyone give me an opinion why rising isn't gettung as much flak as DmC? Just out of pure curiosity of what the two games did intheir development that makes their reception so wildly different from each other.
For one thing, the developers for Rising aren't being a dick to the fan base.

For another thing, majority of people actually like cyborg ninjas as oppose to... that. Drastically changing an iconic character is a big massive no-no... Believe me, had it been Snake instead of Raiden, there would be a shitstorm as well.

That's not to say that Rising isn't getting any flak; there are some MGS fans who aren't happy about this series venturing into the action hack n' slash genre. But most people accept that this is not a MGS game, this is a spin-off, it's not like there wouldn't be anymore MGS games.

This is what happens when the media don't actually try to fan the flames; nothing will gets blown out of proportion.
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Old 2013-01-19, 08:30   Link #387
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Can anyone give me an opinion why rising isn't gettung as much flak as DmC? Just out of pure curiosity of what the two games did intheir development that makes their reception so wildly different from each other.
Probably because of the staff intentions. Metal Gear Solid Rising started development as a result of people's request to play as Raiden from Metal Gear Solid 4. When Platinum took over the game's development, they collaborated with KojiPro so that the characters and the story would be similar to previous games. Platinum mentioned previously that the plot was made after Solid 4 so that the story would be easy to understand to newcomers unlike KojiPro's original plan for an intersequel.

In contrast, Capcom requested Ninja Theory a massive change to the Devil May Cry series.

By the way, here we have the preorder bonuses of Rising
http://www.metalgearsolidtv.com/2013...ce-new_15.html


Something really weird about Japanese Metal Gear Solid 2's Raiden is that has one of the strongest voices ever.


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Old 2013-01-19, 11:10   Link #388
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I wonder why they refer to Grey Fox as 'Cyborg Ninja'?
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Old 2013-01-19, 13:16   Link #389
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I wonder why they refer to Grey Fox as 'Cyborg Ninja'?
In the first two games he was called Gray Fox but in Metal Gear Solid they mostly refer to him as Deepthroat and Cyborg Ninja since they didn't know his identity yet. The latter nickname (as well as the costume) was also used by Olga in Solid 2.
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Old 2013-01-19, 13:42   Link #390
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That's not to say that Rising isn't getting any flak; there are some MGS fans who aren't happy about this series venturing into the action hack n' slash genre. But most people accept that this is not a MGS game, this is a spin-off, it's not like there wouldn't be anymore MGS games.
I thinkt that's the main reason.

One is a reboot that effectively destroyed the franchise (there will be no more classic DMC games unless the game bombs spectacularly) while the other is merely a spin-off that will have no incidence on the rest of the saga (another classic MGS is already set to come out). If you don't like Rising, you can just skip it and keep enjoy your classic Metal Gears. You don't have that option with DMC. The original DMC fanbase has been totally screwed over, that's why they're so mad.
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Old 2013-01-19, 17:44   Link #391
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I wonder why they refer to Grey Fox as 'Cyborg Ninja'?
The Cyborg Ninja program. The name Cyborg Ninja comes from the exoskeleton and the h.f. sword they use. After his defeat by Snake, Grays body was recovered and put into a high tech exoskeleton by Clark and used as a test subject. The extra mobility, enhancing strength, speed, evade and jumping ability and the weapon basically turned him into an artificial ninja. Gray was the first and prototype named the Cyborg Ninja. This name was also used in MGS 1 when they referred to him because they didn't knew who he was.
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Old 2013-01-20, 00:36   Link #392
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The Cyborg Ninja program. The name Cyborg Ninja comes from the exoskeleton and the h.f. sword they use. After his defeat by Snake, Grays body was recovered and put into a high tech exoskeleton by Clark and used as a test subject. The extra mobility, enhancing strength, speed, evade and jumping ability and the weapon basically turned him into an artificial ninja. Gray was the first and prototype named the Cyborg Ninja. This name was also used in MGS 1 when they referred to him because they didn't knew who he was.
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In the first two games he was called Gray Fox but in Metal Gear Solid they mostly refer to him as Deepthroat and Cyborg Ninja since they didn't know his identity yet. The latter nickname (as well as the costume) was also used by Olga in Solid 2.
Ah, Okay, I knew who he was and all. I thought the people who wrote the article forgot who he was called or something silly like that.

I wonder if Olga's cyborg ninja suit will become an unlockable.
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Old 2013-01-20, 03:29   Link #393
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Btw if you got the MGS HD collection playing MGS3 Snake Eater the bonus Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 from the nes are included. Funny thing about MGS3 is that it makes fun of Raiden alot seems Kojima knows he's not well received by fans, you can unlock it in MGS3.

The E3 Trailer Raiden was booed. No kidding.

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So to up his game, he was turned into the new Cyborg Ninja. Cooler eh? Still has high heels
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Old 2013-01-20, 06:43   Link #394
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I'm a little bothered that the game looks like it encourages you to use stealth (with the Alert bar and what not) and not go crazy like a hack 'n' slash.

I figured because it's a spin off it'll be different to what we're used to in the MG/MGS series.
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Old 2013-01-20, 07:02   Link #395
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I'm a little bothered that the game looks like it encourages you to use stealth (with the Alert bar and what not) and not go crazy like a hack 'n' slash.

I figured because it's a spin off it'll be different to what we're used to in the MG/MGS series.
It's just to appease fans of MGS, I highly doubt the stealth mechanics would be any deeper than say Uncharted.
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Old 2013-01-20, 08:00   Link #396
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That's good to hear, I wouldn't mind it if it was advertised like a stealth game, but the trailers show Raiden always running into battle head on (IIRC) making you think this game is based around its combat, but then when you actually play the game you find you're penalized for getting caught.

We'll just have to wait and see. Still gonna get it.
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Old 2013-01-20, 14:34   Link #397
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The stealth was added to the game just because Platinum thought it ended being too simple. The second level has soldiers attacking civlians so even a pacifist would want to fight.

Storyline's Raiden will be always focused on fighting with the exception of the Mexico chapter. I think this is because of the Jack The Ripper storyline.
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Old 2013-01-20, 18:41   Link #398
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That's good to hear, I wouldn't mind it if it was advertised like a stealth game, but the trailers show Raiden always running into battle head on (IIRC) making you think this game is based around its combat, but then when you actually play the game you find you're penalized for getting caught.

We'll just have to wait and see. Still gonna get it.
Seriously? You get penalized? I must have missed that in the demo.
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Old 2013-01-20, 19:27   Link #399
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It just ranks down your ranking when you get caught as I played in the demo.
It's pretty much similar to Tenchu in doing stealth kills sneak up, you can always fight head on if you messed up which would be easier with guards, but it also like the MG games alert other guards and Gekco's nearby.
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It just ranks down your ranking when you get caught as I played in the demo.
It's pretty much similar to Tenchu in doing stealth kills sneak up, you can always fight head on if you messed up which would be easier with guards, but it also like the MG games alert other guards and Gekco's nearby.
Having never played Tenchu, I have a feeling it'll be like Uncharted; there will be stealth areas, but more or less everything will come back to ACTION.
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