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Old 2013-01-20, 00:40   Link #961
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Actually no. That scene is just Yuusha correcting DQ that the name of their deity is called "Spirit of Light". He was not confirming that the Spirit of Light actually exists.
The context is, before that dialogue, Yuusha already explained that he does interact with the spirit, especially during battles with demons. So, that's pretty much Yuusha saying: for him, the Spirit does exist.
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Old 2013-01-20, 00:50   Link #962
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The context is that whenever he fights he feels that he is being protected by the Spirits of Light. That's not the same as him actually conversing with the spirits of light, nor are there any other signs in the manga that the Spirits of Light actually do exists.
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Old 2013-01-20, 00:53   Link #963
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MaoYuu focus on macroeconomics cannot be stressed enough. This is an essential part of its world building to make the readers and viewers take a different perspective on how the actions and reactions of its characters to Crimson Scholar's inventions and discoveries. Every major character in the novel or manga are highly aware of the social, political, and economic environment they live in. If you do not effectively highlight this element found in the novel/manga then you are not following the spirit of what the entire story is about. It's really to break away from the simple mold of Hero's world into a much more complicated and realistic mechanics the world actually operates by. The lax attitude in the anime really doesn't help emphasize how important these machinations by Crimson Scholar is or what she is trying to accomplish.
They are in no way ignoring the spirit of the story. What they did was combine scenes the novel has Maou explaining everything about the potato to Hero then later going to the convent with samples to be cooked for the nuns. During the Knights scene in the novel and manga she catches on quicker because going through all the other information would be redundant. Really the scenes don't play out very differently with it taking maybe 5 extra minutes for Knight to see all the implications . She was also a bit focused on a theiving cat with useless meat.


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In the manga I felt that the Union Merchants were completely shocked by the discovery. They really couldn't be more surprised by what they held in their hands. In the anime it felt like they merely surprised about something pleasantly falling in their lap. There was no weight or impact felt about the machine, but it might be too early as to judge until a certain scene has passed.
I've always read it as something major fell into their lap and they were confused and worried about what the Maou was up to. To me the scene played that off very well.

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I'm curious on what specific feeling you could derive from Big Sis Maid from the Ishida manga? When I read that particular scene I really could discern the vaguest emotion from the look she gave the three stooges. But she actually never really calls the Warrior Noble out that one line, nor was she so obviously emotional about it.
Frankly I can't talk much about this due to the absolute no spoiler rules an this board. All I will say is I think by adding this something that happens latter won't seem like it came out of nowhere as much as it did in the manga
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Old 2013-01-20, 01:02   Link #964
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The context is that whenever he fights he feels that he is being protected by the Spirits of Light. That's not the same as him actually conversing with the spirits of light, nor are there any other signs in the manga that the Spirits of Light actually do exists.
LOL That itself is one big statement that Yuusha himself thinks it exist no matter how you cut it . I don't have to proove the Spirit does exist nor I'm saying it actually exists. Once again, I only have to proove that Yuusha feels it exist.
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Old 2013-01-20, 01:19   Link #965
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They are in no way ignoring the spirit of the story. What they did was combine scenes the novel has Maou explaining everything about the potato to Hero then later going to the convent with samples to be cooked for the nuns. During the Knights scene in the novel and manga she catches on quicker because going through all the other information would be redundant. Really the scenes don't play out very differently with it taking maybe 5 extra minutes for Knight to see all the implications .
I'm not saying they are ignoring it, but I do believe they are doing a really half-hearted attempt on trying to reveal how important the introduction of the potato is to the nation. It is no stretch of the imagination that Hero calls this crop a miracle food. Just look at the reactions between the manga and anime.



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Frankly I can't talk much about this due to the absolute no spoiler rules an this board. All I will say is I think by adding this something that happens latter won't seem like it came out of nowhere as much as it did in the manga
The rule prevents anyone from spoiling future material. Material that has already been covered by the anime is free game. As long as the poster doesn't let slip any details that might reveal future events in the story. Drawing comparisons between certain scenes that occurred in the manga and the anime is not forbidden by the mods, as long as it doesn't tread into spoiler territory.

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LOL That itself is one big statement that Yuusha himself thinks it exist no matter how you cut it . I don't have to proove the Spirit does exist nor I'm saying it actually exists. Once again, I only have to proove that Yuusha feels it exist.
This is silly. I said that Yuusha never explicitly states that Spirits exists. In the anime he actually confirms that he talks with the Spirits. In the manga, all we ever really get is that he has a feeling that the Spirits do exist, which is my original point.
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Old 2013-01-20, 01:20   Link #966
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Having watched the last 3 eps, ,my initial impressions are that this seems interesting enough, and I'm quite intrigued. Also, MaouxYuusha OTP. XD

And Head Maid is always amusing.
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Old 2013-01-20, 01:32   Link #967
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The Head Maid just bumped up character points for me. Just for the laughs

Also, so far I'm enjoying it. So far it's been a research/talkative anime explaining the problems of Medieval Europe, but by the end of episode 3. It will finally show us some action that has been shown in the opening... But not caring about all of that.

THAT ARMOR IS SO AWESOME!! I MEAN JUST LOOK AT IT! ITS SO EPIC-LOOKING!! I WANT A REPLICA OF IT!!
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Old 2013-01-20, 01:37   Link #968
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This is silly. I said that Yuusha never explicitly states that Spirits exists. In the anime he actually confirms that he talks with the Spirits. In the manga, all we ever really get is that he has a feeling that the Spirits do exist, which is my original point.
No this is not silly. It actually pretty simple if you don’t over-complicate it:
  1. Yuusha said he can feel the Spirit of light. Thus acknowledging its existence.
  2. When Maou’s asking “God exist?”, Yuusha answers: “Not God, but Spirit of Light” right after he was telling Maou what he thinks of the Spirit itself.
  3. From that conversation it’s pretty much a blatant saying that Yuusha doesn’t believe God exist but Spirit of Light instead. He doesn't deny the "exists" word but he only denies the "God" word.

Those points prove that your point about Yuusha never explicitly state that the Spirit exists is wrong. It's a fact, not opinion. If you still disagree with this solid fact, then I give up. You can continue proclaiming that Yuusha never stated the Spirit exists all you want for all I care.
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Old 2013-01-20, 01:45   Link #969
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No this is not silly. It actually pretty simple if you don’t over-complicate it:
  1. Yuusha said he can feel the Spirit of light. Thus acknowledging its existence.
  2. When Maou’s ask “God exist?”, Yuusha answers “Not God, but Spirit of Light” right after he was telling Maous what he thinks of the Spirit itself.
  3. From that conversation it’s pretty much a blatant saying that Yuusha doesn’t believe God exist but Spirit of Light instead. He doesn't deny the "exists" word but he only deny the "God" word

Those points prove that your point about Yuusha never explicitly state the Spirit exists wrong. It's a fact, not opinion. If you still disagree with this solid fact, then I give up. You can continue proclaiming that Yuusha never stated the Spirit exists all you want for all I care.
1. So when a priest says that he feels God's Love it is definite proof that God exists? Okay....
2. Already pointed it out, but he is simply trying to correct Maou that the deity of the religion that holds sway over the entire continent isn't simply called God, but Spirits of Light. It wouldn't be any different if a Muslim would correct a Christian saying it's not God, but Allah.
3. He doesn't know if it exists. But he doesn't outright confirm nor deny its existence.

Hate to say it, but it's not fact but all interpretation. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this point and move on.
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Old 2013-01-20, 01:55   Link #970
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@ Elestia: How can you mistake such a simple word meaning?

Now to answer your question:

So when a priest says that he feels God's Love it is definite proof that God exists? Okay....
No. But it proves that the priest believe that God exist. Much like Yuusha, which is the point of my argument (in case of Yuusha, it's even more explicit since he actually feels the Spirit's calling, not mere "faith".)

With that, your other questions will answer themselves.

That's it from me. It's hard to have good argument with someone that continuously miss the point. I'm really not interested in this. I'm bowing out. Thank you.

EDIT: In case you missed it, I already prove my point how Yuusha explicitly stated that the Spirit exists with these:
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Maou: What...God exist?
Yuusha: It's not "God". It's the Spirit of Light.
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From that conversation it’s pretty much a blatant saying that Yuusha doesn’t believe God exist but Spirit of Light instead. He doesn't deny the "exists" word but he only denies the "God" word.
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Old 2013-01-20, 02:12   Link #971
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We must understand it's from Japan. Japan is part of Asia country, even they want to be treated as one of European countries. Culturally and historically, JPN people were unlike Europeans. Europeans were raised to know a Supreme(capital letter) Being(capital letter) called God(capital letter). Even they cannot feel it, they are raised to believe the existence of Supreme Being. In the world of Japanese RPG, or Western fantasy, there is no such belief system. Yuusha merely implies the Divinity(capital letter) is with him. However, he rejects maou's question as defined in Europe's cultural system.
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Old 2013-01-20, 03:09   Link #972
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You're misinterpreting this. The Light Spirit exists, and the Hero knows her personally. That's why he talks about her as a person as opposed to a deity.
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Old 2013-01-20, 03:23   Link #973
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You're misinterpreting this. The Light Spirit exists, and the Hero knows her personally. That's why he talks about her as a person as opposed to a deity.
And how's that opposing my point? The point to my reply to Elestia is: according to Yuusha (in the manga), the Spirit of Light exists and he explicitly mentioned it in his conversation with Maou.
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Old 2013-01-20, 04:06   Link #974
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I'm trying to understand the 3 merchants' reaction over Maou's compass. It seems they already know what a compass is for, so why are they so keen to monopolize her device? Is the ability of the compass to stay level such a huge deal that one of the merchants remarked, "This will change the world"?
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Old 2013-01-20, 04:12   Link #975
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I'm trying to understand the 3 merchants' reaction over Maou's compass. It seems they already know what a compass is for, so why are they so keen to monopolize her device? Is the ability of the compass to stay level such a huge deal that one of the merchants remarked, "This will change the world"?
It's pretty as much as a big deal as an accurate map, in a time where GPS don't exist. Think about it, to be able to know where to navigate instead of sailing in the blind and praying you don't accidentally end up bumping in waters where pirates roams or islands where there be cannibals, or landing in a backwater harbor instead of the commercial hub you were bound for. It will save you time, and supplies because you gotta feed them sailors and provide them with drinks, not to mention the effect on morals if a travel happens to be too long.
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Old 2013-01-20, 04:17   Link #976
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think the point is that the extra thing added onto the compass made it extremely mobile and could be carried anywhere. I would assume that the iterations before Maou's one are crude and inconvenient.
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Old 2013-01-20, 04:32   Link #977
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I'm trying to understand the 3 merchants' reaction over Maou's compass. It seems they already know what a compass is for, so why are they so keen to monopolize her device? Is the ability of the compass to stay level such a huge deal that one of the merchants remarked, "This will change the world"?
Earlier models of the compass (in real life) used essentially a magnetic needle in a bowl of water. Using a pin to suspend the compass needle above a board and suspending the board in a gimbal allows the system to remain horizontal. It has at least the following advantages over the previous models:

1. It's much easier to store, move, and adjust.
2. It stabilizes more quickly in rough waters.

I don't know about enough kill over, but it's a significant improvement. I suspect the merchants' reactions are as much a testament to their viciousness as it is to how much of an improvement the compass is.
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Old 2013-01-20, 04:49   Link #978
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There's also the fact that they don't know why Demon Queen sent it. They don't understand, so they're being careful.
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Old 2013-01-20, 05:03   Link #979
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It's pretty as much as a big deal as an accurate map, in a time where GPS don't exist. Think about it, to be able to know where to navigate instead of sailing in the blind and praying you don't accidentally end up bumping in waters where pirates roams or islands where there be cannibals, or landing in a backwater harbor instead of the commercial hub you were bound for. It will save you time, and supplies because you gotta feed them sailors and provide them with drinks, not to mention the effect on morals if a travel happens to be too long.
And not just that it's a compass, it's a gryo-stabilised compass: these continued to be a big deal even into the jet age, until supplanted by GPS. My dad used to have one in his car, when we were rolling around the interior, 15-20 years ago.

As regards the Spirit of Light, what I took from that scene was that while the Hero has not quite had a personal experience with the Spirit of Light face to face, and therefore can't really give personal proof of it/her/his existence, when he is in combat he believes he feels the Spirit's presence. He also does not worship the spirit as a divine deity, but regards his relationship to the spirit as a friend of sorts.

Which, mind you, parallels Ciaphas Cain, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM!, and his relationship to the God-Emperor of Mankind.
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Old 2013-01-20, 06:29   Link #980
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I don't think Ciaphas Cain, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM believes he has any kind of personal relationship with the God Emperor.
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