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Old 2013-01-20, 05:20   Link #23061
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Didn't superman also get hit with the agony matrix afterwards?
Granted, it was because Darkside was a little b*tch and got scared, but the point stands.
But Superman was able to still withstand it, no? That's the point I'm making.


Here's something we should consider: Brunhild's power level changes depending on whether the Saint or Valkyrie is stronger, since they cancel each other out. There is an intermediary period in which both Saint and Valkyrie powers were equal, and as such both powers would be reduced to zero, rendering her an ordinary human for three months and a few days. Therefore, where exactly is she in terms of her powers?
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Old 2013-01-20, 05:26   Link #23062
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Btw, interrupting this for a short commercial-

New Testament 6 has sold 98043 copies in it's first week.

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Old 2013-01-20, 05:38   Link #23063
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In a way it will also be a big step forward for her to be in the same place Touma is standing right now...
You mean almost dead?

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Here's something we should consider: Brunhild's power level changes depending on whether the Saint or Valkyrie is stronger, since they cancel each other out. There is an intermediary period in which both Saint and Valkyrie powers were equal, and as such both powers would be reduced to zero, rendering her an ordinary human for three months and a few days. Therefore, where exactly is she in terms of her powers?
I doubt she's in a weak phase, or she shouldn't be there. They are expecting to fight Othinus after all, she would only get in the way.
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Ah, almost 100k. Too bad it didn't cross that line, but it's still good.
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Old 2013-01-20, 05:41   Link #23064
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I doubt she's in a weak phase, or she shouldn't be there. They are expecting to fight Othinus after all, she would only get in the way.
How strong/weak is she?
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Old 2013-01-20, 05:43   Link #23065
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Ah, almost 100k. Too bad it didn't cross that line, but it's still good.
It's only the first week, by the second or third week it should probably be 150k
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Old 2013-01-20, 05:44   Link #23066
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How strong/weak is she?
She was weak enough to be overwhelmed by normal magicians from 5 Norse associations and successfully captured.
If the magicians were around the level of Agnese's forces, Brunhild would be around Styl's level?
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Old 2013-01-20, 05:44   Link #23067
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But Superman was able to still withstand it, no? That's the point I'm making.


Here's something we should consider: Brunhild's power level changes depending on whether the Saint or Valkyrie is stronger, since they cancel each other out. There is an intermediary period in which both Saint and Valkyrie powers were equal, and as such both powers would be reduced to zero, rendering her an ordinary human for three months and a few days. Therefore, where exactly is she in terms of her powers?
Withstand it my foot, he was only able to roll around in agony while the man pulled out a kyrptonite knife to take out his heart.

It doesn't matter which of the the two powers that allow her to kick Mikoto's rear is active since both place her above the level of an average magician or human. Birdway and the others wouldn't have brought her if she was at the point where they cancelled each other out, especially with the fact that she's the only one with knowledge of the final rune.

That's the same thing as practically handing her over.
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Old 2013-01-20, 05:48   Link #23068
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especially with the fact that she's the only one with knowledge of the final rune.
The knowledge has already been stolen if I recall correctly, so Gremlin doesn't need her anymore. But she would still slow down the other monsters if she was too weak.
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Old 2013-01-20, 05:49   Link #23069
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You're definitely not getting the point, Twi. Seems like it's futile.
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Old 2013-01-20, 06:11   Link #23070
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She was weak enough to be overwhelmed by normal magicians from 5 Norse associations and successfully captured.
If the magicians were around the level of Agnese's forces, Brunhild would be around Styl's level?
I think she would be weaker than Styl, he does have Innocentius after all.

@Sumaragi - At her best (without Gungnir) she's probably like Kanzaki. I guess we'll see her current strenght soon, but I presume she's near full to be allowed team up with the other two beasts.
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Old 2013-01-20, 07:13   Link #23071
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All I'm saying is that Mikoto shouldn't really stand a chance against her if she was serious...then again we'll need to wait until the chapter is translated and the next power chart is out.

What happened to the Cinderella girl anyway?
I kinda expected her to escort Kamijou to the battlefield and get a rise out of Mikoto.
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Old 2013-01-20, 07:41   Link #23072
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All I'm saying is that Mikoto shouldn't really stand a chance against her if she was serious...
Technically speaking, Hamazura doesn't stand a chance against Mugino either.
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Old 2013-01-20, 07:46   Link #23073
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^ And thus his Luck Abuse?
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Old 2013-01-20, 07:47   Link #23074
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^ And thus his Luck Abuse?
I think Mikoto is pretty lucky too, love life aside.

And she's smarter than Hamazura as well, espionage aside.
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Old 2013-01-20, 07:50   Link #23075
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sigh......... are we having this conversation about power level again?

Thor and Mikoto isn't there to beat Silvia and Brunhild but just to stall time for Touma to make up with Leivinia.
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Old 2013-01-20, 07:52   Link #23076
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I read that as make out for some reason.
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Old 2013-01-20, 07:53   Link #23077
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I read that as make out for some reason.
Apparently, so have everybody else in this thread ever since it came out =_=;
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Old 2013-01-20, 08:10   Link #23078
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sigh........ its just to reconcile with Birdway. First they fight and through their fight to understand each other more then after that. They will be allies again or more like slave master again or maybe in not so equal footing again.
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Old 2013-01-20, 08:22   Link #23079
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I doubt Brunhild doesn't have any offensive spells. She just doesn't need it. Remember the fight between Aqua and Kaori when the 2 are spamming spells or more like Kaori is spamming spells and Aqua is just shrugging it off with brute force.

Aqua in his dual saint nature just tank the spell attacks on him and the spell he used that time are more like support spell like the water gliding and to power his attacks to insane strength and also to jump high and make himself like a meteor colliding on earth. Its more on support and power up.

When Aqua lost his dual saint nature. He start using Ascalon which is broken sword too. It also leads to few spell cast but in the time with the in WW III. We are shown how Aqua uses offensive spells. Spells like the ones that cause tsunami of water in 100 meter height just to wash away a Russian military based.

Saints have offensive type spells but most of the time. We aren't just shown on how they used it because most of the time. Just brute strength is enough to beat the enemy.

Though its only a spoiler that Brunhild doesn't use magic against Mikoto. We can't judge it yet because we haven't read it yet. Let's just wait for it to be translated.

Brunhilde is in optimal state ie minimal clash between Saint and Valkyrie powers for this battle. From the very first step she is blitzing Mikoto at supersonic speed. She uses the blast wave from the blade moving at that speed to try to crush Mikoto's body.

Mikoto manages to block with a section of road from her magnetism and the blast front blows out the windows of the surrounding buildings instead. By using the iron in the road to sense Brunhilde's movements she overcomes the fact that she is totally invisible due to her speed.

Still, that means Mikoto's reflexes are no slouch either....probably a result of the enhanced Level 5 brain I guess.

Mikoto's iron sand counter attacks are blasted apart by the wind from Brunhilde's claymore. The Valkyrie's brute strength is also enough to overcome any attempts to use magnetism to deflect her sword blows aimed at Mikoto.

Mikoto only won by surging huge electric current through Brunhilde via the claymore, then magnetizing an entire lump of steel clad concrete into her as a wrecking ball while she was momentarily dazed. Even then Brunhilde still was able to parry the load of concrete, locking it in place like duelists with crossed swords. She only won when Brunhilde overreached and she subbed her iron sand sword for railgun to the face from point blank instead.

Had the Valkyrie used spells, the outcome could well be very different. It was not needed, and the monsters of the Magic side had everything go just as planned. Now all that's left is for Kakine and Accelerator's fight to be concluded and Othinus to come.....do the organ donation thing...

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You would think so huh.... But if she accelerates it to railgun speed and beyond, you're talking about a weapon that Academy City used to carve a valley of lava around Avignon.
Just be glad it's not a pissed off Levinia she's facing and not one who was facing down Touma with her flintlock...else there won't even be atoms of her left.


Meanwhile Fiamma is hidden somewhere in the city preparing for the day he will use his Magical Right Hand to Save The World once more.....Kamachi sure knows how to make his characters dubious....<_<
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Old 2013-01-20, 08:25   Link #23080
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Not the almost dead part but the environment/world Touma is involve right now or since meeting Index in V1
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