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Old 2013-01-20, 04:39   Link #3001
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I think it's just that Kibou no Tsuite is so good and they used it really well in the first season rather than the new OP being that bad. ( also liked it's appearance here in ep16). New OP being more ave. to above ave.
I think a semi-slow piece like the new OP doesn't fit the series well. Doesn't help that most of the images in the OP are recycled footage.
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Old 2013-01-20, 05:40   Link #3002
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off topic : As for that NEWS tomomi something, is she even in the anime? that's definitely off-topic, and maybe doubly more so since she seems to be out of the AKB48 franchise at the moment and that was a solo project, IIRC some news bit i partly scanned.
No one is succeeding her name so far, but there have been some hints that Mimori may become the next Kasai Tomomi.
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They didn't say but
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That's likely true. In that case, I wonder what is the backlash that will ensue. After all, lots of Chieri's fans spent their money buying singles to vote for her. Even if Zodiac was pushing her up, like Tsubasa said, the fans have nothing to do with that.

EDIT: We got some interesting info in pieces through those last 3 episodes. While Acchan was still around, there was a General Election every year. We know Yuuko became a successor not long after that past General Election we were shown, and from Yuuko words, she never got to compete with Acchan on a future election. This means Acchan disappeared in less than a year after that election. 4 years ago on Lancastar, Acchan was still around and Yuuko already was a successor. This does means Acchan disappeared around 4-3 years ago.
This is another point against the Heart-gata manga being canon, as it shows Kanata as kenkyusei while Acchan was still around.
Now another interesting info from this episode is that the General Elections winner becomes center, but may not necessarily become Center Nova. While we don’t know exactly how that is chosen (I would guess it’s a Sensei-sensei decision), this is one point in favor of Episode 0 being canon. Furea could have just become a center, without becoming Center Nova, so it wouldn’t be against continuity. There is still the matter of Sae 10th appearing there, although that may just been a stupid mistake. There is still a bit things that don’t work well, as in the manga it does seems like the senbatsu and center is choses based on which name a girl succeeds rather than thought elections as it is now.
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Old 2013-01-20, 08:05   Link #3003
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After watching the episode, I realise that the number of votes is low for a galactic event. I think they miss a digit.

Chieri is really daddy's little princess. That guy is reaching creepy level .

Mimori in top 10 = sex appeal is very important.
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Old 2013-01-20, 08:37   Link #3004
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After watching the episode, I realise that the number of votes is low for a galactic event. I think they miss a digit.

Chieri is really daddy's little princess. That guy is reaching creepy level .

Mimori in top 10 = sex appeal is very important.
There is the fact with whatever war they got in earth, they may have lost lots of lives before going into space. And then we had only around 50 years since then, so the population shouldn't have grown that much bigger since. And add to a portion of the space population shouldn't be interested in AKB00, may be from places where entertainment is banned so they wouldn't be able to vote even if they want.

And yeah, when Cheiri's dad video started with he doing a "aitaktta yes!", I though "FFF DAMN BASTARD".
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Old 2013-01-20, 09:38   Link #3005
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And yeah, when Cheiri's dad video started with he doing a "aitaktta yes!", I though "FFF DAMN BASTARD".
It was as if he was mocking her, and tried to convince that she'll win if Chieri goes with his plans and infinite resources, but she flatly refused the bribe. Had she flipped the finger at him, this would've been the best episode, alongside with Mimori winning.

PHEROMONES STRONG.

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Also, I'd like to see Megu get more chances at exposure.
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Old 2013-01-20, 09:47   Link #3006
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Also, I'd like to see Megu get more chances at exposure.
Megu was quite cute in her short appearance in this episode. Sae has a waifu now XD.

Another thing i noticed, the impostor in Chieri's place on that last shot of the cm Zodiac made... has a spades on her head, instead of heart XD
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Old 2013-01-20, 11:04   Link #3007
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AKB0048 16 - The Cat's Pajamas

So even if I didn't end up asking about what was going on with the elections last week, the significance of what was going on with Chieri would've been explained this week. Mimori making it is just as big a deal, and while she didn't have Chieri's behind the scenes support from her dad (somehow, he managed to make his explanation that he was helping his daughter sound a little creepy.), but she does have the power of fanservice that no doubt boosted her to the top. I liked the callbacks to the previous handshake episode, too, as well as the momentary return of the first season OP and ED. Despite the tense atmosphere, this show does a good job at keeping the mood at least a little light at all times. The exchange between Makoto and Sonata being a prime example.

It's been cliffhanger after cliffhanger.
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Old 2013-01-20, 11:40   Link #3008
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That's likely true. In that case, I wonder what is the backlash that will ensue. After all, lots of Chieri's fans spent their money buying singles to vote for her. Even if Zodiac was pushing her up, like Tsubasa said, the fans have nothing to do with that.
I'm worried about that too. I understand why she did it (if she really did it), and we know she knows the consequences since she told her butler that she would stop her father even if it cost her her dream. Still, I can help to think she's running away. There should be a better way to deal with this shit without dooming her career. I think she's letting her feelings of inadequacy get to her. I mean, even if her father got involved, her popularity was still hers and it was real. She shouldn't run away from that even if she feels she doesn't deserve it.
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Old 2013-01-20, 12:31   Link #3009
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Megu was quite cute in her short appearance in this episode. Sae has a waifu now XD.

Another thing i noticed, the impostor in Chieri's place on that last shot of the cm Zodiac made... has a spades on her head, instead of heart XD
Symbolic, huh? Ace of Spades means death. Also we wonder if
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I wonder who'll be having shiny Clubs on their hair.
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Old 2013-01-20, 12:45   Link #3010
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Seriously? They're stopping there?! Bloody... sonuva... GAH!

Poor Chieri. That message from her father was... creepy. Damned smarmy bastard.

I agree that she likely withdrew from the elections. I was afraid she was going to quit 0048 altogether, but fortunately it appears she hasn't gone that far yet.

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Still, I can help to think she's running away. There should be a better way to deal with this shit without dooming her career. I think she's letting her feelings of inadequacy get to her. I mean, even if her father got involved, her popularity was still hers and it was real. She shouldn't run away from that even if she feels she doesn't deserve it.
What would you have her do, bomb Zodiac headquarters? He wants her to keep doing the very things AKB does: appear on camera, appear in public, be an idol. Right now the only thing Chieri has control over that she can use to thwart him is herself, and the only way to thwart him is to not do the things that AKB does.

Well, almost the only thing. Assuming she didn't do so when she went to see Tsubasa in this episode, what she also can do is alert Tsubasa that her father wants her to be an idol, wants her to become more radiant, thus alerting the people in authority that Zodiac is Up To Something™ in regards to the kirara effect.

I was really glad to hear Kibou ni Tsuite in place of the ED. It's such an awesome piece of music.
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Old 2013-01-20, 12:54   Link #3011
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Well, almost the only thing. Assuming she didn't do so when she went to see Tsubasa in this episode, what she also can do is alert Tsubasa that her father wants her to be an idol, wants her to become more radiant, thus alerting the people in authority that Zodiac is Up To Something™ in regards to the kirara effect.
Just from a metafictional perspective, since when are anime characters ever that up-front about their issues? They always keep their problems to themselves until the absolute last minute. It's Rule of Drama.

Whatever Chieri had to discuss with Tsubasa, I can guarantee she didn't give a full and detailed explanation of her circumstances and work out a non-drastic approach to dealing with it.
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Old 2013-01-20, 12:55   Link #3012
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What would you have her do, bomb Zodiac headquarters? He wants her to keep doing the very things AKB does: appear on camera, appear in public, be an idol. Right now the only thing Chieri has control over that she can use to thwart him is herself, and the only way to thwart him is to not do the things that AKB does.
If an idol isn't popular, there's no idol. If Chieri really dropped out from the election, can you imagine the reaction from all her fans how spent a lot of money on CDs to vote for her? They won't be happy at all. And it's not only the money, there's a lot of emotional investment going on here (for the fans, it's their dream to see their favorite idol achieve her dreams). If Chieri loses her fans' support, then that's it for her career.

That's why withdrawing from the election is such a risky move. She's effectively putting her career, her dream, on the line.

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Well, almost the only thing. Assuming she didn't do so when she went to see Tsubasa in this episode, what she also can do is alert Tsubasa that her father wants her to be an idol, wants her to become more radiant, thus alerting the people in authority that Zodiac is Up To Something™ in regards to the kirara effect.
She should do this, and she probably did. But she shouldn't drop out from the election, though she probably did this too. I can only hope Tsubasa convinced her not to somehow.
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Old 2013-01-20, 13:38   Link #3013
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Well, almost the only thing. Assuming she didn't do so when she went to see Tsubasa in this episode, what she also can do is alert Tsubasa that her father wants her to be an idol, wants her to become more radiant, thus alerting the people in authority that Zodiac is Up To Something™ in regards to the kirara effect.
While that may help AKB00 I don't think it can do much. The best she could do to stop Zodiac plans is to stop the girls from becoming radiant, which would mean basically stopping idol activities. That isn't really an option. If AKB was powerful enough to do something to affect Zodiac plans, a company that big, that is likely strongly related with the government, then they could have been already on the level on taking the government down itself.

Well on another subject, I don't remember if it this was posted here before:

A few shots on episode 4 where you can actually see the other portraits besides the ones they zoom in. And funny enough they're basically clones of the girls we know with different hair style and the like.
Also with those shots plus the following:

It does seems to be, from "left to right" 6+3+6+2+1+4+4=26 past centers portraits.
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Old 2013-01-20, 14:09   Link #3014
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Old 2013-01-20, 14:57   Link #3015
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Sonata was so cute in her costumes. Congrats to Mimori, pheromones pay off. Like how Takamina and Yuuko were battling each other. Wow Chieri's dad was so annoying when he was mocking her. Wonder what Tsubasa meant after Chieri left, what was the line she said?
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Old 2013-01-20, 16:24   Link #3016
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Those aren't episode 16 reactions. Those are fanfiction. And they're meaningless to anyone who hasn't read the rest of your fanfiction.

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If an idol isn't popular, there's no idol. If Chieri really dropped out from the election, can you imagine the reaction from all her fans how spent a lot of money on CDs to vote for her? They won't be happy at all. And it's not only the money, there's a lot of emotional investment going on here (for the fans, it's their dream to see their favorite idol achieve her dreams). If Chieri loses her fans' support, then that's it for her career.
And she's willing to do that, if that's what it takes to keep her father from hurting the people around her by coming after her. Don't think she hasn't reasoned that out for herself. She knows what she's risking, but even if it costs her her dreams she'll still do it because she considers this more important.
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Old 2013-01-20, 16:50   Link #3017
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And she's willing to do that, if that's what it takes to keep her father from hurting the people around her by coming after her. Don't think she hasn't reasoned that out for herself. She knows what she's risking, but even if it costs her her dreams she'll still do it because she considers this more important.
I did say she knows the consequences of what she's doing. But that's the not the point. This an idol show, so I don't want to see Chieri's career going down the toilet no matter what.
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Old 2013-01-20, 16:56   Link #3018
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I did say she knows the consequences of what she's doing. But that's the not the point. This an idol show, so I don't want to see Chieri's career going down the toilet no matter what.
I think the people creating this series know that Chieri's popular with us too. She'll probably go through some rough patches, and I'm certain I'm going to want to torture her father to death quite a bit, but I have faith that she'll make a comeback in the end.

Unless she disappears like Acchan, of course. That would put a crimp on any positive "in the end" sort of things...
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Old 2013-01-20, 17:30   Link #3019
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Now that I think about it... does Chieri's butler knows where she currently living? I mean the location. I am curious to know since Mr. Sono can send the DES at any time if he knows the exact location of where 00 home is. I have this doubt after watching the episode.
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Old 2013-01-20, 17:41   Link #3020
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Now that I think about it... does Chieri's butler knows where she currently living? I mean the location. I am curious to know since Mr. Sono can send the DES at any time if he knows the exact location of where 00 home is. I have this doubt after watching the episode.
That's an interesting point, although I would guess it means Akibastar isn't really in a secret place. It's part of the Absolute Entertainment Protection Sphere. Considering that name, they either have an army or protection system of some kind so DES can't just enter that easily, or there may be some kind of agreement with the government that they can't breach too easily without bad consequences they would want to avoid.
There may be some info about it on these six pages from one of the booklets. But we need to wait until someone who can read it can translate it for us.
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