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View Poll Results: Shin Sekai Yori - Episode 16 Rating
Perfect 10 13 24.07%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 21 38.89%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 11 20.37%
7 out of 10 : Good 7 12.96%
6 out of 10 : Average 1 1.85%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 1 1.85%
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Old 2013-01-19, 22:24   Link #41
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Amusingly, it's the opposite here. Psycho-pass is a show i sort-of watch, as well as Sasami-san, but in both cases i only watch them when i am bored to tear.

Especially Psycho-pass seems like a dumbed down and 'for kid' version shinsekai yori (but in cyberpunk!), with atrocious pacing issues.

I guess i like the 'novel' format better than the "episodic format where everything is dumb for plot reasons".
I'll admit that when I first read your message I was offended. I only lightly skimmed it and had a minor knee-jerk reaction when I saw the words "dumbed down" and "dumb." At first I thought you were accusing me of liking "dumb" things. Then I paused and actually read your message, and I must say that I somewhat agree

Comparing Psycho-Pass (which is a "popcorn" show for me) to Shinsekai Yori is like comparing apples to oranges. I would disagree that the one is like a "for kid" version of the other because they're in no way similar. One is based on a pre-existing successful fantasy/sci-fi novel while the other is an anime original. The characters, setting, intent, and tone of the two cannot be compared.

That being said, I do normally prefer shows like Shinsekai Yori in terms of its format. Episodic series usually aren't my thing at all which is why my preference at the moment for the three other shows I mentioned is so surprising.

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Then perhaps you should adjust your expectations? Also, you're comparing anime originals to an adaptation of a novel...


Pacing issues? Wow... you do understand why they're out there, what they're doing and what they've discovered, and that this is going to be very important later on... right? (Also that gliding over snow is pretty much the only way they can get around, I mean what do you want them to do, fly?) If you want by-the-numbers anime writing where every episode has to be a story on its own with a hook so people keep watching then this is not the show for you.

Yes, I would agree that I should adjust my expectations. I just didn't expect to have to do that with this show since it started out so very strong. Please don't misunderstand what I said though. I'm not comparing Shinsekai Yori to anything because that would be silly. I was merely using those other three shows to illustrate how Shinsekai Yori has fallen in terms of priority for me. Considering all three of those shows I mentioned are pretty much like popcorn (fun, shiny, but not very substantial) it came as a shock to me. As Shinsekai Yori was the single show I was most looking forward to last year it stands to reason that I would be surprised to find myself no longer eagerly, constantly-refreshing-the-page looking forward to each new episode. That's all.

Also, and I hesitate to say this, but I do not appreciate the insinuation that I want a "by-the-numbers anime […] where every episode has to be a story on its own with a hook so people keep watching" show. Not only was that rude but it was also uncalled for. As far as I know these forums allow for free speech, do they not? I was merely expressing my surprise and disappointment that I'm not enjoying the show as much as I once did. Considering that this is the sub-forum to discuss Shinsekai Yori I thought it would be all right to share my feelings here.

Oh well. To each their own.
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Old 2013-01-20, 02:36   Link #42
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What a sad, beautiful, heartbreaking tragic story this is.

Maria may be an ironic choice to deliver the message based on the foreshadowing, but that doesn't make her condemnation of the society that raised her any less cutting. I think for me, it boils down to this: no society can maintain this sort of approach towards its children without becoming warped and twisted in the process. You might debate whether a society that declares all its children disposable until age 17 might be justified if that’s the only way to perpetuate itself – I would argue no, for the record – but to become the sort of adults that would be willing to do so would require a fundamental loss of humanity in the process.
No no....Maria is the perfect choice for it. You see, they forced her out and got what they sowed
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Old 2013-01-20, 05:07   Link #43
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One thing about what Maria said reminds me of something I wondered about in the ep 15 post. Maria talked at some length about how the adults are all unhealthily afraid of the children.

But why only the children? The adults have PK and are all potentially lethal too. Is it really true that the adults are not worried about other adults causing mass destruction? So far I haven't seen any indications that the adults are taking out other adults or even worried about them. Before, I'd assumed that they must in actual fact have processes in place for adults even though they are legally considered human. But maybe they don't. If that's the case, then it's really strange.

On a different note, it's interesting that some Queerat bones are similar enough to that of humans that they could be used as fakes. This could be foreshadowing of various different sorts. (a) That they really are former humans, (b) just as a hint that they're similar to humans or trying to take on their role, vive la révolution, (c) that Queerats might be able to breed Queerats who look human enough that humans would get the full force of death feedback from fighting them.

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Old 2013-01-20, 05:36   Link #44
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Is it just me or does this episode looks so wonderfully beautiful? I'm having a hard time deciding whether it's this ep or ep12 that's the greatest highlight so far.

In regard to that removed segment hinted in the spoiler, while it may add more (hilarious) complexity to their relationships, what the anime version presented is already beautiful enough.
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Old 2013-01-20, 05:44   Link #45
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Kuromitsu,this is all we have to know about the sex scene or there is more?
There's nothing you "have to" know, I mean, for all we know it didn't happen that way in the anime. (I would certainly be happier that way...) They had their reasons for doing it this way, as I said I can see why they decided to omit it, and I think the last bit of the episode was great as it was.

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Yes, I would agree that I should adjust my expectations. I just didn't expect to have to do that with this show since it started out so very strong.
And this is where I was disagreeing with you - as far as I'm concerned, Shinsekai yori is still very strong.

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Also, and I hesitate to say this, but I do not appreciate the insinuation that I want a "by-the-numbers anime […] where every episode has to be a story on its own with a hook so people keep watching" show. Not only was that rude but it was also uncalled for. As far as I know these forums allow for free speech, do they not? I was merely expressing my surprise and disappointment that I'm not enjoying the show as much as I once did. Considering that this is the sub-forum to discuss Shinsekai Yori I thought it would be all right to share my feelings here.
You were expressing surprise and disappointment by saying the show had "horrible pacing issues." To which I replied that just because it's not written the usual anime way, it doesn't mean it has pacing issues. You're certainly free to express disappointment or any other opinion, but I'm also free to respond to it.
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Old 2013-01-20, 06:13   Link #46
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There's nothing you "have to" know, I mean, for all we know it didn't happen that way in the anime. (I would certainly be happier that way...) They had their reasons for doing it this way, as I said I can see why they decided to omit it, and I think the last bit of the episode was great as it was.
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Old 2013-01-20, 06:23   Link #47
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Spoiler for spoiler, perhaps? maybe we'll get a flashback or something:
I've just read your spoiler and DAMN! I'm just gonna say that I'm glad the anime did what they did. Hell, I can even pretend that it never happened since the anime didn't show it. I guess Gen Urobutchi will be dancing in his pajamas reading that spoiler .
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Old 2013-01-20, 06:52   Link #48
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I think I am also glad the spoiler didnt happen, now I can deny it. Well unless there is a flashback of course.
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Old 2013-01-20, 11:03   Link #49
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In my view, this is the best SSY episode since the one in which Shun died. This episode and that one are also the two best SSY episodes overall, imo. There's just something about Saki losing a precious friend that so effectively tugs at the heartstrings, and makes this tragic tale so much more emotionally engaging and viscerally moving.

But I can't help but lament the timing of the lovely new OP and all of those absolutely beautiful flashback scenes of Saki's relationship with Maria when they were both little kids. I lament it because of SSY's unfortunate sales, and how this is the exact sort of material that I think could have helped literally sell SSY. But I fear that, commercially speaking, it may now be too late.

At a creative level, though, now is the best time for it, just as Saki and Maria are forced to part. Maria's letter was far more eloquent than Maria herself gave it credit for, and Saki's response to it was so emotionally rich and moving.


Saki's dream was pretty creative and well-depicted here, although I must confess that for this dream scene alone, I kinda wish SHAFT was animating this.


In any event, superb episode. The perfect episode to end off this section of the story on, before we make another time-skip.
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Old 2013-01-20, 12:11   Link #50
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But I can't help but lament the timing of the lovely new OP and all of those absolutely beautiful flashback scenes of Saki's relationship with Maria when they were both little kids. I lament it because of SSY's unfortunate sales, and how this is the exact sort of material that I think could have helped literally sell SSY. But I fear that, commercially speaking, it may now be too late.
It's the new ED, actually, which is one of my problems with it. I'm going to get stoned for this, but I think the song is pretty fanservicey, and the way it was treated in this ep was the closest to pandering that this show has gotten so far. Which I think is a pity because everything else in the episode was beautiful and poignant, there was really no need to take it a step further. :/ Anyway, even so I would've been okay with it if it was for this one episode only, but we're stuck with this for the rest of the series. If it turns out next week that the new ED visuals are Maria or Maria & Saki centric I'll be very disappointed. :/ That's just... not what this story is about. (I mean, it's not like they haven't already tried to capitalize on the "hot two girls" factor, but at least they didn't do it in the actual animation.)

Besides, if this is how they're trying to get more sales it is too late and, I would imagine, not nearly enough for anyone who is in it for the yuri... (But then, I don't think anyone expected this show to be a smash hit anyway, if they wanted to turn it into one they would've gone the way of the manga.)
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Old 2013-01-20, 13:46   Link #51
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Do you mean that the song at the start is the new opening theme?

Oh, this is a hit.. Even if i usually like jpop, i really liked that this show didn't have an opening (it was throwing you inside the episode from the minute 0 ) and, even if this opening fits this episode, i really don't think it can make the show better in the next ones, the contrary instead!

I liked this episode, but i found it a little to slow too. I'm sure this is because i'm expecting other thrilling episodes that show the mystery of this world, and because we'll have to wait another week for the next ep. For sure, if i was watching the episodes altogether at the end of the show, i would like it better!

Yeah, it's definitely too bad that this is not too popular.. IMHO they should continue like they did up to now, and don't change it to raise a little more money.
If i'm not mistaken Neon Genesis Evangelion wasn't that popular too at the start, and see how it is considered now
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Old 2013-01-20, 17:28   Link #52
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Great episode. They handled the long letter very nicely by giving us childhood flashbacks.


And a really big time skip for next ep! Wow.. this series is awesome in so many ways.
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I lament it because of SSY's unfortunate sales, and how this is the exact sort of material that I think could have helped literally sell SSY. But I fear that, commercially speaking, it may now be too late.
?? can you elaborate more on that? why are the sales so bad? It's still a good show even with the issues with the pacing...
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?? can you elaborate more on that? why are the sales so bad? It's still a good show even with the issues with the pacing...
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Old 2013-01-20, 22:26   Link #56
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?? can you elaborate more on that? why are the sales so bad? It's still a good show even with the issues with the pacing...
The last two/three pages of this thread can probably answer that for you.

I've probably dragged this thread OT enough as it is.
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Old 2013-01-21, 06:09   Link #57
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I think that this episode was the weakest of this arc.

1. As cute as it was to see little Saki and Maria, her letter didn't add anything to the plot that we didn't already know. I also find it difficult to swallow that she would leave the person she loves (Saki) to help a friend (Mamoru).

2. Why did Saki and Satoru continue to search for Maria and Mamoru when they already agreed with Yakomaru to tell that they died in a ravine? I thought that Saki wanted to respect Maria's will expressed in her letter. Seeing the two kids gliding aimlessly on the snow for two days was boring.

3. Saki's nightmare lasted too long and was too cryptic. What were all those weird monsters supposed to represent?

Oh well, not every episode can be a winner. At least this arc is over.
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Old 2013-01-21, 07:56   Link #58
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I also find it difficult to swallow that she would leave the person she loves (Saki) to help a friend (Mamoru).
Not everyone chooses to be with the person they love the most romantically at the expense of all else. The friends in that group are/were extremely close to each other. Just think of Saki's reaction in this episode to realising that from now on, only one of her friends is left. The others in the group are really their only friends other than their parents. Otherwise, they're on their own in the world.

Maria loves her friends. Her letter made it clear that she thinks that the others in the group would not leave each other to die, and they would do everything they could to save each other. Just as she knows that if Saki was in danger, she and Satoru and Shun would do anything to save her, and that if Maria was in danger, she knows that Saki wouldn't leave her to die, the same goes for Mamoru.

Maria also knows that Saki is strong enough to survive without her and recover, and will be an asset to the village - thus, she won't be murdered by the adults. Whereas she said that Mamoru is not strong and will not survive for long if she lets him out of her sight, and thinks that she herself will eventually be a target if she stays in the village.

Really, Maria's decision makes a lot of sense, even though leaving Saki was painful for her. Saki will be all right on her own and can still live in the village, but Mamoru will die without her, and Maria herself might soon become marked for death even if she abandoned him and returned home.

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2. Why did Saki and Satoru continue to search for Maria and Mamoru when they already agreed with Yakomaru to tell that they died in a ravine? I thought that Saki wanted to respect Maria's will expressed in her letter. Seeing the two kids gliding aimlessly on the snow for two days was boring.
There is no guarantee that the village would be convinced by the lie. Also, the main difficulty with Maria and Mamoru's escape is that they are likely to come across Queerats wherever they go. Maybe Squealer/Yakomaru wouldn't tell on them and might pretend they were dead, but his tribe is not the only one out there. (Yet, that is.) Once word gets to the village that the two are alive, they will certainly be killed. Saki probably does not think that the odds are good for the two never being discovered, regardless of whether Yakomaru lies for them.

So, for Saki and Satoru, the best chance of keeping Maria (and maybe even Mamoru) alive is still to bring them back within the period that Tomiko set. They would certainly not give up on finding them until all hope was lost.
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Old 2013-01-21, 09:05   Link #59
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If that is the new ED, I lament the loss of the first one - which is 1000x better as a song. In terms of how it was used in the episode I was initially skeptical, but it won me over more or less, even if it was the weakest part of the episode.
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But why only the children? The adults have PK and are all potentially lethal too. Is it really true that the adults are not worried about other adults causing mass destruction?
Those who might have been dangerous as adults have already been culled when children. Presumably if the village could determine at birth which babies had the potential to become demons they'd kill them off then.

Since I consider the original ED one of the finest I've seen in years I'll be very sad if it is replaced by the song that appeared in this episode. I'm hoping it was just an insert song because it was particularly unmemorable. I wouldn't want it as an OP either. I like the fact that they don't waste our time with an OP but just put the credits on top of the opening scenes of the story.

Having just watched Kotoura-san over the weekend, are we entering a phase of stories about how superhuman mental powers may not be a "gift from the gods?"
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