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Old 2013-01-20, 18:58   Link #1661
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Old 2013-01-20, 19:55   Link #1662
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To-Love-Ru... i wish i could unwatch it...

It's utterly TRASH, but it got at least 1 "redeeming" aspect:
It's the perfect example of what a Manga should NOT be like.

An Ecchi and Harem Manga/Anime. That by itself is not a problem. The problems are:
  1. It has got a wimpy, spineless, "white-knighty", useless, characterless Buttmonkey as MC. This could be forgivable if there was some character developement going on for him... sadly there is none.
  2. It is repetetive, unoriginal and boring. Yes it is hard for a gag-Manga to come with fresh ideas later on, but this one is not even trying.
  3. Forced "Slapstick Comedy" that is full of double standards because it's trying to be "politically correct". Tropes like "Abuse is OK when it's Female to Male" are common in this Manga. Also the mentality that "the girls are always right and if you think otherwise you should feel bad!" calls for the trash bin.
  4. Until here it seems that it is "just" an overly feministic Manga... it is WORSE. Because while making every girl into a princess that every male should bow to, it also uses the girls as pure Sex objects. So at the end the Manga really looks down on everyone. But this can in no way be used as an argument that it "balances everything out".

How the hell did this trash become so popular?! Using it as a Frisbee would be too good for it...
Cannot blame the Mangaka though... when people like his trash, why should he stop producing it?
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Old 2013-01-21, 01:03   Link #1663
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To-Love-Ru... i wish i could unwatch it...

It's utterly TRASH, but it got at least 1 "redeeming" aspect:
It's the perfect example of what a Manga should NOT be like.

An Ecchi and Harem Manga/Anime. That by itself is not a problem. The problems are:
  1. It has got a wimpy, spineless, "white-knighty", useless, characterless Buttmonkey as MC. This could be forgivable if there was some character developement going on for him... sadly there is none.
  2. It is repetetive, unoriginal and boring. Yes it is hard for a gag-Manga to come with fresh ideas later on, but this one is not even trying.
  3. Forced "Slapstick Comedy" that is full of double standards because it's trying to be "politically correct". Tropes like "Abuse is OK when it's Female to Male" are common in this Manga. Also the mentality that "the girls are always right and if you think otherwise you should feel bad!" calls for the trash bin.
  4. Until here it seems that it is "just" an overly feministic Manga... it is WORSE. Because while making every girl into a princess that every male should bow to, it also uses the girls as pure Sex objects. So at the end the Manga really looks down on everyone. But this can in no way be used as an argument that it "balances everything out".

How the hell did this trash become so popular?! Using it as a Frisbee would be too good for it...
Cannot blame the Mangaka though... when people like his trash, why should he stop producing it?
Is the animation good at least? XD
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Old 2013-01-21, 01:08   Link #1664
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Old 2013-01-21, 02:28   Link #1665
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Is the animation good at least? XD
Nah. I'd say the animation is so-so. Not terrible but also nothing to write home about. Plus, the characters actually look better in the manga source than in the anime (especially the male MC). Most fans only watch this series for the girls and fanservice (e.g. boobs and nether regions ).
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Old 2013-01-21, 03:31   Link #1666
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To-Love-Ru... i wish i could unwatch it...

It's utterly TRASH, but it got at least 1 "redeeming" aspect:
It's the perfect example of what a Manga should NOT be like.

An Ecchi and Harem Manga/Anime. That by itself is not a problem. The problems are:
  1. It has got a wimpy, spineless, "white-knighty", useless, characterless Buttmonkey as MC. This could be forgivable if there was some character developement going on for him... sadly there is none.
  2. It is repetetive, unoriginal and boring. Yes it is hard for a gag-Manga to come with fresh ideas later on, but this one is not even trying.
  3. Forced "Slapstick Comedy" that is full of double standards because it's trying to be "politically correct". Tropes like "Abuse is OK when it's Female to Male" are common in this Manga. Also the mentality that "the girls are always right and if you think otherwise you should feel bad!" calls for the trash bin.
  4. Until here it seems that it is "just" an overly feministic Manga... it is WORSE. Because while making every girl into a princess that every male should bow to, it also uses the girls as pure Sex objects. So at the end the Manga really looks down on everyone. But this can in no way be used as an argument that it "balances everything out".

How the hell did this trash become so popular?! Using it as a Frisbee would be too good for it...
Cannot blame the Mangaka though... when people like his trash, why should he stop producing it?
Totally agree! You can add Queens Blade, Freezing and all those Hentai pretending to be ecchi shows to the list.
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Old 2013-01-21, 03:33   Link #1667
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To-Love-Ru... i wish i could unwatch it...

It's utterly TRASH, but it got at least 1 "redeeming" aspect:
It's the perfect example of what a Manga should NOT be like.

An Ecchi and Harem Manga/Anime. That by itself is not a problem. The problems are:
  1. It has got a wimpy, spineless, "white-knighty", useless, characterless Buttmonkey as MC. This could be forgivable if there was some character developement going on for him... sadly there is none.
  2. It is repetetive, unoriginal and boring. Yes it is hard for a gag-Manga to come with fresh ideas later on, but this one is not even trying.
  3. Forced "Slapstick Comedy" that is full of double standards because it's trying to be "politically correct". Tropes like "Abuse is OK when it's Female to Male" are common in this Manga. Also the mentality that "the girls are always right and if you think otherwise you should feel bad!" calls for the trash bin.
  4. Until here it seems that it is "just" an overly feministic Manga... it is WORSE. Because while making every girl into a princess that every male should bow to, it also uses the girls as pure Sex objects. So at the end the Manga really looks down on everyone. But this can in no way be used as an argument that it "balances everything out".

How the hell did this trash become so popular?! Using it as a Frisbee would be too good for it...
Cannot blame the Mangaka though... when people like his trash, why should he stop producing it?
Yah its trash! The op alone was doo! It needs to stop pretending and call itself the softcore porn it is
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Old 2013-01-21, 04:09   Link #1668
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How the hell did this trash become so popular?! Using it as a Frisbee would be too good for it...
Cannot blame the Mangaka though... when people like his trash, why should he stop producing it?
In the end, it's the quintessential shounen romantic comedy: "will-he-or-won't-he" hijinks that continue forever, female characters that are cute and easy to cheer for, and plenty of fanservice. Basically all of the tropes you're complaining about are the essence of the humour. I think it makes sense that people don't like it... but I think it helps to think of it as the comedy that it is, and the sense of humour as an on-going joke that not everyone is going to "get". The key is that it never takes itself all that seriously.
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Old 2013-01-21, 06:59   Link #1669
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I personally didn't hate this show but sometimes it does annoy me sometimes. I'm talking about One Piece.

Unimpressive art(very subjective but I don't like its character designs), Unimpressive animation quality and questionable plot(I don't know where it is going).

I rather watch pre-Shippuden and pre-filler Naruto instead.
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Old 2013-01-21, 08:08   Link #1670
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I personally didn't hate this show but sometimes it does annoy me sometimes. I'm talking about One Piece.

Unimpressive art(very subjective but I don't like its character designs), Unimpressive animation quality and questionable plot(I don't know where it is going).

I rather watch pre-Shippuden and pre-filler Naruto instead.
Yea, I don't like them either. Too freaky and out of proportion, even for manga.
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Old 2013-01-21, 08:35   Link #1671
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In the end, it's the quintessential shounen romantic comedy: "will-he-or-won't-he" hijinks that continue forever, female characters that are cute and easy to cheer for, and plenty of fanservice. Basically all of the tropes you're complaining about are the essence of the humour. I think it makes sense that people don't like it... but I think it helps to think of it as the comedy that it is, and the sense of humour as an on-going joke that not everyone is going to "get". The key is that it never takes itself all that seriously.
Well at the beginning it could possibly be funny... but after the 9348292834th time that the MC "trips" over air with an "ecchi result" it starts to get not only repetetive and boring, but really annoying.

Compare this to Rosario+Vampire:

The anime is exactly like to-love-ru... boring, repetetive, annoying and no character development at all

The manga is a lot better. It always brings new ideas and even a lot of character development for the MC (both personality and visual wise). Well may be connected to the fact that it becomes a story later on. But the MC having character development in a Harem and Ecchi Manga? What Rosario+Vampire is doing must seem like Heresy to other Harem and Ecchi Mangas...

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I personally didn't hate this show but sometimes it does annoy me sometimes. I'm talking about One Piece.

Unimpressive art(very subjective but I don't like its character designs), Unimpressive animation quality and questionable plot(I don't know where it is going).

I rather watch pre-Shippuden and pre-filler Naruto instead.
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Yea, I don't like them either. Too freaky and out of proportion, even for manga.
I understand what you are saying. One piece's Art is very hard to get used to. This was the reason i didn't want to watch it at first either. But later I gave it a try and though that it is good. Not perfect, but good. Of course just because it is so long, you easily get attached to the characters at some point and then you usually like it even more.
But I think these long running manga/anime like One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, Fairy Tail, Hunter X Hunter etc. are a matter of taste. I for example "stalled" Bleach for 2 years already because it got boring.
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Old 2013-01-21, 12:38   Link #1672
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I personally didn't hate this show but sometimes it does annoy me sometimes. I'm talking about One Piece.

Unimpressive art(very subjective but I don't like its character designs), Unimpressive animation quality and questionable plot(I don't know where it is going).

I rather watch pre-Shippuden and pre-filler Naruto instead.
The arts for anime I could see it being unimpressive as they are dragging it long as possible and rush it as manga is so close. But the manga has great art style, the amount of details Oda add to background and everything is incredible. There are so many characters with unique designs, instead of other manga and anime with containing four or five different faces at max.

Now for plot, I think it is pretty clear where it is going. Every previous arcs are slowly showing its purpose and beginning to connect with each other. I am really astounded by details One Piece has, something that came up in few hundred chapters comes up later on and has a purpose.
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As far as ecchi rom-coms go, I thought To-Love-Ru was all right. I liked most of the characters. Rito was a cute lead and they did develop him towards the end.
The show just got plagued by goofy filler material or....at least material that FELT filler.
........like that giant sashimi octopus episode...geeze, wtf was that?
It's a shame because a lot of rom-coms get this filler-like plague. When they throw plot at you, you get interested but when they throw inane fluff at you, you're sitting there, rolling your eyes and thinking Man, this is effing stupid....!

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The op alone was doo!
Doo?
The song is good. And while the animation has some silly ecchi shots, it's still quite creative.

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It needs to stop pretending and call itself the softcore porn it is
Ha....ha.....this is nothing.
You should check out Kanokon. I hate that show with a passion. Worst anime I've watched in full, hands down.

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This could be forgivable if there was some character developement going on for him... sadly there is none.
Um.....what? o_o
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But the manga has great art style, the amount of details Oda add to background and everything is incredible. There are so many characters with unique designs, instead of other manga and anime with containing four or five different faces at max.
Ugly in my opinion. Crying with tears gushing out of their noses is so damn annoying...

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Crying with tears gushing out of their noses is so damn annoying...
Um....those aren't "tears"....
But yeah, that's really really gross. I don't know why shounen artists like to draw that....maybe they think it's funny.

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Um....those aren't "tears"....
Phlegm I guess....
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Ugly in my opinion. Crying with tears gushing out of their noses is so damn annoying...
I can't change what you guys think is gross, but I don't think it is fair to judge the entire art style base on one characteristic, like runny nose when they are crying.
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Um....those aren't "tears"....
But yeah, that's really really gross. I don't know why shounen artists like to draw that....maybe they think it's funny.
Perhaps because there are instances when people cry they do have runny nose? Sure, it is not visually pleasing to many but it is more realistic.
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Perhaps because there are instances when people cry they do have runny nose? Sure, it is not visually pleasing to many but it is more realistic.
That's the odd thing though....in real life, that only seems true for children. I cry easily and my nose doesn't run anymore....>_>
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That's the odd thing though....in real life, that only seems true for children. I cry easily and my nose doesn't run anymore....>_>
Unfortunately I can attest that when I cry my nose runs a little... even when it's just at a sad story.
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Hmmm I guess it differs with each person then.
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