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Old 2013-01-24, 23:11   Link #2241
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Maybe Kenpachi isn't immortal at all, maybe Unahona has death defying healing abilities. Remember back in SS arc when she healed Momo and Hitsu that both had fatal wounds? She could have a healing bankai. It would seem odd to put one of your strongest captains into the healing focused squad, unless her healing ability was as good, if not better, than her combat ability.

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We all know the only fatal wounds in this manga is you have to be literally cut in half or splattered across a boulder.

Unless you're a bad guy. Then you could get killed by a deep cut. Also, Minazuki isn't even activated yet. She's fighting kenpachi with a sealed zanpakuto.
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Old 2013-01-25, 01:45   Link #2242
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We all know the only fatal wounds in this manga is you have to be literally cut in half or splattered across a boulder.
Hiyori was cut in half and survivedů
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Old 2013-01-25, 13:12   Link #2243
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Hiyori was cut in half and survived…
and byakuya was splattered across a boulder lol... the only way to truly die in bleach is to be shown turning into spirit particles and/or have a funeral
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Old 2013-01-25, 15:53   Link #2244
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So...Kenpachi is a Saiyan? :3
May be super saiyan (through anger and frustration) in the upcoming chapters
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Old 2013-01-25, 17:25   Link #2245
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So...Kenpachi is a Saiyan? :3
yes because it has a yellow reiatsu is logical
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Old 2013-01-25, 23:28   Link #2246
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and byakuya was splattered across a boulder lol... the only way to truly die in bleach is to be shown turning into spirit particles and/or have a funeral
technically dead people can still be saved, people are just too lazy to use orihimes super heal ability.
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Old 2013-01-25, 23:45   Link #2247
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technically dead people can still be saved, people are just too lazy to use orihimes super heal ability.
Well she didn't even bother trying with Ulquiorra.
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Old 2013-01-26, 07:36   Link #2248
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May be super saiyan (through anger and frustration) in the upcoming chapters
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yes because it has a yellow reiatsu is logical
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technically dead people can still be saved, people are just too lazy to use orihimes super heal ability.
like Senzu Beans...you forget you created a dues ex machina and when you do remember, everyone goes full retard about using it
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Old 2013-01-27, 14:05   Link #2249
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We all know the only fatal wounds in this manga is you have to be literally cut in half or splattered across a boulder.

Unless you're a bad guy. Then you could get killed by a deep cut. Also, Minazuki isn't even activated yet. She's fighting kenpachi with a sealed zanpakuto.
Heh, hardly, ol' Aizen got slashed in half, but he's quite alive.

Anyway, when I say fatal wound, I don't mean one that will kill you, but rather one that could if left untended or whatever. In the magical world of Bleach, there's no wound that absolutely will kill you, even for baddies. Its all just a matter of "Is there something or someone around that can heal/revive you?" or more specifically "Does KT still want you around?"

As for her not fighting with Minazuki, indeed, I was just thinking while he was out she could have done her "healing measures" thing (read: maybe Bankai) to revive him, but who knows.
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Old 2013-01-27, 17:49   Link #2250
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Heh, hardly, ol' Aizen got slashed in half, but he's quite alive.
Aizen's a bit of a bad example though, as he's the only one in this story who actually has an explainable excuse to survive anything. In any case, it really is pretty much impossible to distinguish fatal wounds from non-fatal wounds in this series. Harribel gets a deep slash wound and lives while Stark gets a similar injury and dies. Even characters who get bifurcated can live (Hiyori, Hitsugaya) while others don't (Yamamoto).

So I agree in that it really just comes down to whether Kubo still wants a character around not.
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Old 2013-01-29, 11:43   Link #2251
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Aizen's a bit of a bad example though, as he's the only one in this story who actually has an explainable excuse to survive anything. In any case, it really is pretty much impossible to distinguish fatal wounds from non-fatal wounds in this series. Harribel gets a deep slash wound and lives while Stark gets a similar injury and dies. Even characters who get bifurcated can live (Hiyori, Hitsugaya) while others don't (Yamamoto).

So I agree in that it really just comes down to whether Kubo still wants a character around not.
Nope, if you follow Dragonball Z Logic, its not about how u were cut, but how much Ki u have left. Freeza was cut in 2 and dying but Goku gave him some Ki and he starts flying again....
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Old 2013-01-29, 15:20   Link #2252
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Did Ishida magically disappear from the plot? I mean he gave a simple no when Ichigo thought about going to Hueco Mundo. Are these new Quincies the reason why Ryuken had no pride of being a Quincy?
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Old 2013-01-29, 16:45   Link #2253
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Nope, if you follow Dragonball Z Logic, its not about how u were cut, but how much Ki u have left. Freeza was cut in 2 and dying but Goku gave him some Ki and he starts flying again....
Stark, Gin, and even Yamamoto all seemed like they had enough energy to fight right up until they got fatally injured and killed. Conversely, other characters received similar injuries and lived. So I don't know if DBZ logic can always apply here. That's to say, there appears to be very little reasoning behind which injuries will prove fatal or non fatal in Kubo's universe. I mean unless a character gets blown to pieces and breaks down into particles, its hard to be convinced if they're as good as dead at that very moment.

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Old 2013-01-29, 18:17   Link #2254
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Stark, Gin, and even Yamamoto all seemed like they had enough energy to fight right up until they got fatally injured and killed. Conversely, other characters received similar injuries and lived. So I don't know if DBZ logic can always apply here. That's to say, there appears to be very little reasoning behind which injuries will prove fatal or non fatal in Kubo's universe. I mean unless a character gets blown to pieces and breaks down into particles, its hard to be convinced if they're as good as dead at that very moment.
Maybe one slash has more 'killing power' than another. Gin was cut by Butterflaizen, Stark was cut during Shunsui's shikai game, Yamamoto was cut by his own bankai. Conversely Tia was cut down by a simple slash from shinigami Aizen and he wasn't really trying to kill her but just...I dont even know why he cut her but there wasn't any 'finishing power' to it.
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Old 2013-01-29, 18:21   Link #2255
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Did Ishida magically disappear from the plot? I mean he gave a simple no when Ichigo thought about going to Hueco Mundo. Are these new Quincies the reason why Ryuken had no pride of being a Quincy?
I've been wondering from the start about why Ishida suddenly went AWOL in a story where the bad guys are Quincies, but I guess shinigami are so important we can't afford to spend even a panel on what the Ishidas are up to.

I guess he'll suddenly appear when the shinigami training montage is over (sometime this September, maybe? :P), get his ass kicked in one or two chapters, and then go back being a wallflower. Poor guy.
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Old 2013-01-29, 18:44   Link #2256
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Maybe one slash has more 'killing power' than another.
"Killing power"? How would such a thing be measured though? By the supposed strength of the attacker? Or the amount of killing intent behind the attack? Either way, why should either really matter? I mean whether a character gets cleaved in two by someone really strong or really weak, should it make much of a difference if the same type of injury or the same amount of damage is dealt?

Well either way, feel free continue speculating. I just personally find it easier to believe that any and all fatal injuries in this series are only fatal at Kubo's discretion. It prevents me from having to think about something I don't believe was meant to be thought about too seriously.
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Old 2013-01-29, 19:07   Link #2257
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Old 2013-01-29, 20:08   Link #2258
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"Killing power"? How would such a thing be measured though? By the supposed strength of the attacker? Or the amount of killing intent behind the attack? Either way, why should either really matter? I mean whether a character gets cleaved in two by someone really strong or really weak, should it make much of a difference if the same type of injury or the same amount of damage is dealt?

Well either way, feel free continue speculating. I just personally find it easier to believe that any and all fatal injuries in this series are only fatal at Kubo's discretion. It prevents me from having to think about something I don't believe was meant to be thought about too seriously.
Well yeah to a certain degree all of it is at Kubo's discretion, that is probably the only logical explanation.

But if I had to defend that there is logic to Bleach ... well they are spiritual bodies so it could be another dimension to how damaged a character is. Also you have to consider the flow of the story and what that particular cut meant. Like if the person was cut right off the bat it may be minor or fatal whereas if it was like inbetween a fight with no real build up it the same type of cut may not have the same affect. Context is important especially with Bleach because....unfortunately everything only ever makes sense in the current context of the story -_-
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Old 2013-01-29, 22:04   Link #2259
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I've been wondering from the start about why Ishida suddenly went AWOL in a story where the bad guys are Quincies, but I guess shinigami are so important we can't afford to spend even a panel on what the Ishidas are up to.

I guess he'll suddenly appear when the shinigami training montage is over (sometime this September, maybe? :P), get his ass kicked in one or two chapters, and then go back being a wallflower. Poor guy.
Can't be worse than being Chad who was defeated twice in Hueco Mundo, was manipulated later and now... better not to let him fight. Then there is Orihime and Rukia who barely fight regardless of how important they are.
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Old 2013-01-29, 22:46   Link #2260
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Well yeah to a certain degree all of it is at Kubo's discretion, that is probably the only logical explanation.

But if I had to defend that there is logic to Bleach ... well they are spiritual bodies so it could be another dimension to how damaged a character is. Also you have to consider the flow of the story and what that particular cut meant. Like if the person was cut right off the bat it may be minor or fatal whereas if it was like inbetween a fight with no real build up it the same type of cut may not have the same affect. Context is important especially with Bleach because....unfortunately everything only ever makes sense in the current context of the story -_-
Point taken.
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