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View Poll Results: How does long titles in light novels affect your anticipation in its story?
Very much, positively. 1 0.81%
Not much, but it makes the series interesting. 10 8.06%
It doesn't bother me at all. 67 54.03%
Not much, but worries me a bit. 29 23.39%
Very much, negatively. 17 13.71%
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Old 2013-01-25, 14:22   Link #101
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They can not post porn on Deviantart.
You should check it out now and then, sometimes some rule 34 slip past the radar. Granted, the anime artist community over here is just way more conservative than elsewhere.
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Old 2013-01-25, 15:00   Link #102
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You should check it out now and then, sometimes some rule 34 slip past the radar. Granted, the anime artist community over here is just way more conservative than elsewhere.
No, im saying they cant post porn on Deviantart (no penetration, erect dicks, semen, pussy juice, or come is allowed. Any other rule 34 is allowed), which is why you havent seen a lot of anime porn from West. When they post porn on Deviantart, they have to censor it or else theyll get banned.

Go to an American convention and you will find plenty of comic porn, trust me.

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Old 2013-01-25, 21:25   Link #103
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Tell that to the Deviantart anime community over here, our equvilant of the comiket market's artist thinks self censorship is a wonderful idea. Yet, somehow at this point, can't disagree with them
There's more to art technique and style than just drawing H. I said it's good practise, not an auto "magically skill + 10" button. Anyway, if they are good and use H artwork as an outlet why should anyone fault them?
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Old 2013-01-25, 23:39   Link #104
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I'll admit that when I see that yet another ridiculously titled light novel is to have an anime adaptation I tend to roll my eyes. It's unnecessary and not at all funny. Generally speaking these titles don't appeal to me anyway so it's difficult to judge whether there is any correlation between the length of the title and my interest.

Although . . . I did watch (and sort of enjoy) OreImo which I understand to be the progenitor of this trend. I would have to look back over my viewing habits since then but I don't believe I've watched a light novel adaptation since then. I could be wrong about that though.
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Old 2013-01-26, 01:30   Link #105
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There's more to art technique and style than just drawing H. I said it's good practise, not an auto "magically skill + 10" button. Anyway, if they are good and use H artwork as an outlet why should anyone fault them?
A couple of years ago, the main editor of Jump noticed this trend being common among the new generation of mangaka and has very much proven right about the LN industry at large.

The problem: They can't draw interesting male characters so they resort to cheap harem antics to hide their weaknesses.
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Old 2013-01-26, 02:03   Link #106
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A couple of years ago, the main editor of Jump noticed this trend being common among the new generation of mangaka and has very much proven right about the LN industry at large.

The problem: They can't draw interesting male characters so they resort to cheap harem antics to hide their weaknesses.
To be fair, none of us are working in any of the publishers like Dengeki Bunko, MediaFactory, Famitsu Bunko, GAGAGA and so on. We have no idea what the publishers plan amongst themselves, but I would be more inclined to think that an editor-in-charge wields more power than the illustrator instead? I mean, you are blaming the illustrators for directing the plot? When that is the author's job, when the editor-in-charge would gives advice for plot (given the afterword of Baka Test volume 10, I would assume this to be such). I would assume that artists draw what they are told to draw, not demand that they draw this and that...Look, you have to give examples for LN, or else that is just a random generalization without much basis. (and besides, we are going off topic with this, since this is a topic about an issue with long titles in LNs)
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Old 2013-01-26, 02:06   Link #107
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The problem: They can't draw interesting male characters so they resort to cheap harem antics to hide their weaknesses.

Wait what? Since when does Illustrators have anything to do with what goes on in the story?

Are you sure you're not mistaking Light Novels for Mangas where the artist cover story and drawing?
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Old 2013-01-26, 02:18   Link #108
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IIRC, VOFAN never drew Araragi or any of the males in the Bakemonogatari light novel series and Akio Watanabe ended up designing the men based on the descriptions in the light novels instead.

I don't know if there are truly light novel artists who have a weakness for the male anatomy.
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Old 2013-01-26, 07:26   Link #109
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A couple of years ago, the main editor of Jump noticed this trend being common among the new generation of mangaka and has very much proven right about the LN industry at large.

The problem: They can't draw interesting male characters so they resort to cheap harem antics to hide their weaknesses.
This so much... Didnt someone here say LN artists often come from VN art? If so I think many of these artists cut their teeth on VNs, where they mainly draw lots of girls from waist up. Not a lot of practice on males or full bodies.

@ Marcus H. Look at the one who did Seitokai no Ichizon. Her male anatomy is funny in a bad way...
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Old 2013-01-26, 07:30   Link #110
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Usually for me, the longer the title, the crappier I expect the anime to be. If the creators arent creative enough to make a short title, then they probably arent creative enough to stray from the otaku pandering cliches that I hate. Therefore I don't waste my time on it (unless I have already read the source material, or heard it was good from a friend)

from shorter title show I can expect it to at least not be bad but If it sucks in the first episode (i.e. K) I drop it. and to the person that said infinite stratos. . . so what? I saw it was bad in the first ep so I dropped it. longer titles dont even get watched in their first ep with me.
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Old 2013-01-26, 08:34   Link #111
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Usually for me, the longer the title, the crappier I expect the anime to be. If the creators arent creative enough to make a short title, then they probably arent creative enough to stray from the otaku pandering cliches that I hate. Therefore I don't waste my time on it (unless I have already read the source material, or heard it was good from a friend)

from shorter title show I can expect it to at least not be bad but If it sucks in the first episode (i.e. K) I drop it. and to the person that said infinite stratos. . . so what? I saw it was bad in the first ep so I dropped it. longer titles dont even get watched in their first ep with me.
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However, if I have to say, I do prefer titles to be short and sweet instead of one title essay, so that I don't have to remember what exactly is the title. If there's anything I do like about IS in particular, it is that it has a short name, easy to remember (but forgettable story)
Again, I state, this is a random generalization. Easy to remember titles like IS, which is why I used it as an example, not about plot, as compared to something like, erm...Mondai-Ji-tachi ga Isekai Kara Kuru Sō Desu? Plot itself is a different matter in this case. (in this series, it's more of the PLOTS...). Then again, this is more of a discussion of LN, so K (anime original) itself would not count, but K: Memory of Red, would count.

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This so much... Didnt someone here say LN artists often come from VN art? If so I think many of these artists cut their teeth on VNs, where they mainly draw lots of girls from waist up. Not a lot of practice on males or full bodies.

@ Marcus H. Look at the one who did Seitokai no Ichizon. Her male anatomy is funny in a bad way...
Well, this is for you guys to decide.. I don't see that much of an issue with mainstream LN artists like Kiyotaka Haimura, Haga Yui (I don't count Hideyoshi in this, btw), Abec (okay, it can be argued that Kirito is very girlish looking) and Buriki regarding this. Look, the thing is, we can't just assume how things work without at least a basis.
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A couple of years ago, the main editor of Jump noticed this trend being common among the new generation of mangaka and has very much proven right about the LN industry at large.

The problem: They can't draw interesting male characters so they resort to cheap harem antics to hide their weaknesses.
Yet unless they are the author, would that matter? I can think of plenty of ways where you can get by with only drawing female characters in serious fantasy action or cyberpunk stories. If the author calls for it.
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Well, this is for you guys to decide.. I don't see that much of an issue with mainstream LN artists like Kiyotaka Haimura, Haga Yui (I don't count Hideyoshi in this, btw), Abec (okay, it can be argued that Kirito is very girlish looking) and Buriki regarding this. Look, the thing is, we can't just assume how things work without at least a basis. (links not included)
Well, that was weird, especially those hands who are considerably larger than normal, but still have the "well-trimmed nails" of a female.
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Old 2013-01-27, 03:58   Link #114
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They are teenagers and drawn as bishounen, and those are what sell in japan and most of those LN have "ordinary highschool students" as PoV MCs. What did you expect as protags that your japanese reader would identify with? Musclemen like Frazetta's Conan the Barbarian or guys like Travis Touchdown?

EDIT: Japanese readers would much rather identify themselves with characters looking like Hidenori and Tadakuni.
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Old 2013-01-27, 06:02   Link #115
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They are teenagers and drawn as bishounen, and those are what sell in japan and most of those LN have "ordinary highschool students" as PoV MCs. What did you expect as protags that your japanese reader would identify with? Musclemen like Frazetta's Conan the Barbarian or guys like Travis Touchdown?

EDIT: Japanese readers would much rather identify themselves with characters looking like Hidenori and Tadakuni.
This has nothing to do with being bishonen...

It was about being drawn badly/blandly compared to females...
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Old 2013-01-27, 06:33   Link #116
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A couple of years ago, the main editor of Jump noticed this trend being common among the new generation of mangaka and has very much proven right about the LN industry at large.

The problem: They can't draw interesting male characters so they resort to cheap harem antics to hide their weaknesses.
.... So the one or two images per chapter somehow force the author to write uninteresting characters.

I think you are confusing writing and drawing here. Being able to "draw" interesting characters doesn't matter squat if you can't write them well. Conversely, being able to write interesting characters doesn't mean you can draw.

If an author of a LN hires an artist to draw for his novel, the artist will have zero, I repeat, zero, influence on why the story is bad. I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that drawings are the deciding factor in how a story is written.
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.... So the one or two images per chapter somehow force the author to write uninteresting characters.

I think you are confusing writing and drawing here. Being able to "draw" interesting characters doesn't matter squat if you can't write them well. Conversely, being able to write interesting characters doesn't mean you can draw.

If an author of a LN hires an artist to draw for his novel, the artist will have zero, I repeat, zero, influence on why the story is bad. I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that drawings are the deciding factor in how a story is written.
He just didn't know that writers don't work with artists in LNs, or maybe he was talking about comics. I didnt know that for a long time either, it's the natural conclusion. But I'm sure he knows the difference btwn writing and drawing.
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Old 2013-01-27, 06:56   Link #118
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He just didn't know that writers don't work with artists in LNs, or maybe he was talking about comics. But I'm sure he knows the difference btwn writing and drawing.
Except he clearly was referring to Light Novels and he was somehow trying to link bad writing with Illustrators having done eroge before.

This is most evident with this line:

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The problem: They can't draw interesting male characters so they resort to cheap harem antics to hide their weaknesses.
How does that make sense? At all?
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Old 2013-01-27, 07:00   Link #119
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Except he clearly was referring to Light Novels and he was somehow trying to link bad writing with Illustrators having done eroge before.

This is most evident with this line:



How does that make sense? At all?
Ok I can't help him anymore.
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Old 2013-01-29, 01:19   Link #120
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Well, that was weird, especially those hands who are considerably larger than normal, but still have the "well-trimmed nails" of a female.
...You know there are many things we can nitpick about other than the hands, right?

Well, we'll just have to see how the trend goes.
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