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Old 2006-01-21, 21:34   Link #261
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Does anybody have the second ending, if so, can they upload it because I really loved the song.
Here is the relevant CDJapan listing, so go buy it instead of asking for an upload:
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=GNCA-23
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Old 2006-01-21, 21:41   Link #262
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Thanks, I think I might buy the CD.
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Old 2006-01-22, 05:00   Link #263
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I really love the way they've built this plot; it's classic, but it works so well. Obviously, it's nothing new, but Episode 15 ends with some of the most telling (and arguably obvious) revelations in the show so far (for someone who hasn't read the novels). I love the way they're slowly connecting all the dots.

Spoiler for Episode 15:
Looking forward to next week's episode, and the arrival of DVD 1!

Edit: Oh yeah - I liked the new ED too. There's certainly something appealing about ED1 too (it was pretty unique as an ED, I thought), but this is a solid ED all around. I'll definitely get the single; I'm looking forward to hearing the full version.

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Old 2006-01-22, 05:51   Link #264
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You're misunderstanding . The real EP 15 had already change the song's name in OP credits . The mistake you see is come from Eclipse not the real Ep 15 , they use the OP from EP 14 to do this . And this is the reason why the old ED's song track was still displayed .
I knew something was strange because I remembered seeing the right credits in the RAW.
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Old 2006-01-22, 06:00   Link #265
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Whoops.

*makes some notes for the next week, where we HOPEFULLY get the KOTOKO op anyway*
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Old 2006-01-22, 06:40   Link #266
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I hope so too.
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Old 2006-01-22, 08:11   Link #267
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I've Sound (and KOTOKO in particular) is my idol! I have like 10gb of I've songs. Imagine how thrilled I was when I found out that Mami Kawada did the first OP and KOTOKO the second. Actually that's how I found out about Shakugan no SHANA in the first place. I can't wait!! Now I just have to catch up with the current Episode. I just started watching so I'm faaar behind.

*Hopes the new OP is as good as Re-sublimity*
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Old 2006-01-22, 08:14   Link #268
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You're misunderstanding . The real EP 15 had already change the song's name in OP credits . The mistake you see is come from Eclipse not the real Ep 15 , they use the OP from EP 14 to do this . And this is the reason why the old ED's song track was still displayed .
Oh, okie, so that explains it. Hmmz, weird why eclipse used the episode 14's OP credits instead of episode 15's. But just to check, the OP hasn't been changed yet right?

Anyway, I'm still wondering how the producers are going to squeeze like 9 (or slightly less) books' worth of content into the next like 11 episodes? After all, its already episode 15 and from what i know the story is only at like book 4-5 of the novel series.

Btw anyone knows if there will be a manga for this series too?
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Old 2006-01-22, 11:54   Link #269
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I really love the way they've built this plot; it's classic, but it works so well. Obviously, it's nothing new, but Episode 15 ends with some of the most telling (and arguably obvious) revelations in the show so far (for someone who hasn't read the novels). I love the way they're slowly connecting all the dots.
As do I. It would see like three episodes as flashbacks in a row, but at least they are filling in all the doubts that might arise when we watch SnS.

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Excellent deduction and assumption. Indeed, it would make for a very climactic conclusion, with the mental dilemmas as well. Of course, that would give rise to the questions whether there will be a happy or sad ending...

@ kokanaden: That would give rise to speculation about a second season, probably. I really don't think the people in charge would be that suicidal to squeeze everything in and rush everything, and yes, there is a manga series for this that deviates slightly from the original storyline. I know Volume 1 has been translated, but I don't know how many volumes have came out in Japan, though.

Episode 15 was quite interesting...
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Looks like Wilhelmina has yet to show her full power. I would like to see that, if possible...And is it me, or does the previous Flame-Haired Blazing-Eyes Hunter's hair and hairstyle resemble that of Shana's?

At the end of my rant...I love the screenshots of the ending, though my speakers are dead so I can't judge. Really nicely placed, each shot, though the clouds might seem a little out of place, but on the whole, An ending as good as, if not better than the first one.
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Old 2006-01-22, 13:27   Link #270
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there is a manga series for this that deviates slightly from the original storyline. I know Volume 1 has been translated, but I don't know how many volumes have came out in Japan, though.
Only the one has been released in tank form so far. The manga's a pretty new creation, so it won't really have much impact on the anime, I don't think.

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Hmmz, weird why [they] used the episode 14's OP credits instead of episode 15's.
Well, if you want my guess, I'd assume it's a shortcut so that they don't have to re-time and re-render the karaoke. Normally OPs are the same, while EDs change by the episode. You probably wouldn't notice in most cases.
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Old 2006-01-22, 14:30   Link #271
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I hope the Trinity don't all get pathetically killed in one episode.
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Old 2006-01-23, 04:11   Link #272
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The rest is for you to see. :P
I know what Guze no Tomogara is but "Ou"?

Some things i dont quite understand.

1) Why did the motorcycle guy just sit there waiting for someone to stop him?
2) About 4 people live on that piece of land, why do they need all that land for 4 people? Better yet, why did they construct so many buildings there when theres only 4 people living on that place?
3) Didn't the floating guy like die?
4) I dont really understand why Shana need to go ask the big guy to escort her to Alastor? She could've just went herself and let the big guy finish off all the Tomogara already there or arriving and then she, Alastor and Wilheima could've just fled.
5) So Alastor is actually Shana's father and her mother was the previous Shakugan?
6) Didn't understand the spell, what the hell was it suppose to do? Jinki?
7) So Shana was human? living in heaven?

Whats de arimasu?

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Old 2006-01-23, 06:27   Link #273
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I know what Guze no Tomogara is but "Ou"?
"Ou" Is the Japanese word for King. So a Guze no Ou is a "King of Guze".

Some things i dont quite understand.

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1) Why did the motorcycle guy just sit there waiting for someone to stop him?
When did that happen? When he was talking to Shana the first time round? If so, I think he was taking his time, considering the probability that he thought Orogone would stall the Flame Haze as much.
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2) About 4 people live on that piece of land, why do they need all that land for 4 people? Better yet, why did they construct so many buildings there when theres only 4 people living on that place?
My guess would be that the Tendou-kyu was actually a place for Flame Hazes to live and train in. There might have been plenty of Flame Hazes staying there, but left. Anything's possible.
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3) Didn't the floating guy like die?
The floating guy, otherwise known as Orogone was slashed by Tenmoku Ikko, and your guess is as good as mine.
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4) I dont really understand why Shana need to go ask the big guy to escort her to Alastor? She could've just went herself and let the big guy finish off all the Tomogara already there or arriving and then she, Alastor and Wilheima could've just fled.
The big guy (Tenmoku Ikko) wanted a battle with a strong Tomogara, one which Alastor would be (I think.) It could possibly be to get him off the Tendou-kyu...I'm not sure about this one.
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5) So Alastor is actually Shana's father and her mother was the previous Shakugan?
Who knows? More will be explained by those who read the novel or the next episode if you please.
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6) Didn't understand the spell, what the hell was it suppose to do? Jinki?
Jinki is probably the spell in which allows the Guze no Ou to take on a certain form. For example, Tiamat took on the form of a headdress on Wilhelmina's head, while Alastor's Jinki is a pendant.
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7) So Shana was human? living in heaven?
Yes, but not living in heaven.

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Whats de arimasu?
Probably a term of formality, seeing as how Wilhelmina is such a stickler for rules and formalities.

Does it serve any help?
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Old 2006-01-23, 11:44   Link #274
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"Ou" Is the Japanese word for King. So a Guze no Ou is a "King of Guze".

Some things i dont quite understand.



When did that happen? When he was talking to Shana the first time round? If so, I think he was taking his time, considering the probability that he thought Orogone would stall the Flame Haze as much.


My guess would be that the Tendou-kyu was actually a place for Flame Hazes to live and train in. There might have been plenty of Flame Hazes staying there, but left. Anything's possible.


The floating guy, otherwise known as Orogone was slashed by Tenmoku Ikko, and your guess is as good as mine.


The big guy (Tenmoku Ikko) wanted a battle with a strong Tomogara, one which Alastor would be (I think.) It could possibly be to get him off the Tendou-kyu...I'm not sure about this one.


Who knows? More will be explained by those who read the novel or the next episode if you please.


Jinki is probably the spell in which allows the Guze no Ou to take on a certain form. For example, Tiamat took on the form of a headdress on Wilhelmina's head, while Alastor's Jinki is a pendant.


Yes, but not living in heaven.


Probably a term of formality, seeing as how Wilhelmina is such a stickler for rules and formalities.

Does it serve any help?

??????? Too much, I guess.
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Old 2006-01-23, 12:54   Link #275
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Only the one has been released in tank form so far. The manga's a pretty new creation, so it won't really have much impact on the anime, I don't think.

Well, if you want my guess, I'd assume it's a shortcut so that they don't have to re-time and re-render the karaoke. Normally OPs are the same, while EDs change by the episode. You probably wouldn't notice in most cases.
Correct... OP karaokes take a long time to encode and the difference wasnt spotted, hence the "error".
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Old 2006-01-23, 14:21   Link #276
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Jinki is probably the spell in which allows the Guze no Ou to take on a certain form. For example, Tiamat took on the form of a headdress on Wilhelmina's head, while Alastor's Jinki is a pendant.
And its jingi 神器, (heavenly container in this context) not jinki. Someone didnt look at the yougokaisetsu(terminology explanation aka world encyclopedia) when translating it.

From the encyclopedia: 神器 (じんぎ) フレイムヘイズと契約し、本体をその身の内に眠らせる紅世の王が、意思のみを表すために産みだした器物 。
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Jingi: A container, when the flame haze makes a contract, for the real body of the guze no ou sleeping inside of them in order to (only) bring forth their intentions.
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Old 2006-01-23, 15:54   Link #277
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bayoab is quite right.

(taken from Shakugan no Shana ~Prelude to Shana~ extra material)

The information can also be found on http://www.shakugan.com. This is one series where the creators give fans a chance for explainations on every step of the way.
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Old 2006-01-23, 17:34   Link #278
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Thx for the info! At least I can understand more.
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Old 2006-01-23, 19:57   Link #279
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i think she says "de arimasu" b/c of the formality thing too, but the makers probably made her say that just so we can tell mina and tiamat apart just a thought b/c they sound the same
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Old 2006-01-24, 02:18   Link #280
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I thought the ~de arimasu~ was pretty annoying at first... but now I've grown to like it... LOL... I find it really cute and can't get enough of it now... LOL
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