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**james0246** · 2013-01-31, 21:55

Why does everyone think Minato would be able to so easily use the other half of the Kyuubi's chakra? Bearing in mind I expect that Kishimoto would allow him to easily use the chakra if he has it, realistically it takes years of practice to be able to use a bijuu's chakra so it would make little sense for Minato to easily be able to use the chakra without losing control or exploding. Obviously Kishimoto cares little about logic anymore, but it would still be pretty annoying if Minato can easily use the bijuu's chakra...

Artimus_Prime · 2013-01-31, 23:49

^ kinda curious myself...i initially believed that the portion of chakra minato sealed away is moot since kurama chakra is suppose to be infinite...that was until i reread 504. now I at least expect it to come up in following chapters but since kurama(Cell, not really lol) himself hasnt hinted that he is incomplete without the remainder of his chakra im not sure where the author will go with it...

i mean isnt uzumaki karin in konoha somewhere? did she sense Taka's presence? could she have a role in dealing with the kyuubi chakra?

itachi-san314 · 2013-02-01, 00:20

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Originally Posted by james0246

Why does everyone think Minato would be able to so easily use the other half of the Kyuubi's chakra? Bearing in mind I expect that Kishimoto would allow him to easily use the chakra if he has it, realistically it takes years of practice to be able to use a bijuu's chakra so it would make little sense for Minato to easily be able to use the chakra without losing control or exploding. Obviously Kishimoto cares little about logic anymore, but it would still be pretty annoying if Minato can easily use the bijuu's chakra...

that's the reason i was using. logic isn't much of an issue with this story. people can do things that go far beyond reasonable even in the magical world it's set in. for instance, how exactly did itachi 'program' shisui's eye? and how did kabuto remote control an entire zombie army? and how did orochimaru not only 'witness' events from his host bodies like Anko, he had a collective memory among his various instances. those are ridiculous abilities even if you consider shooting a giant fireball out of your mouth to be 'logical' in the narutoverse (which it is since it can be sufficiently explained)

so given that, i wouldn't be surprised to see minato control the kurama chakra well. he's dealt with it and felt it's power before and he's as quick a learner as kishi wants to make him. i also wouldn't be shocked if he remembers his conversation with naruto since it fits the orochimaru logic of shared experience and memories between soul fragments. lol this story has grown so much more far fetched than genjutsu and shadow clones...

iBeast · 2013-02-01, 00:53

Time to see how overrated the first hokage was.

The Small One · 2013-02-01, 01:01

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Sasuke was also Orochi's host, but Itachi pulling him out didn't kill Sasuke. Apparently the author decided that Orochi can store himself in different bodies and each parasitic instance of him can also share information with other instances. So from being immortal just by using the power of the white snake and body switching he was leveled up to being immortal because he can upload multiple copies of himself into other people and these copies autmatically replicate their memory between them

Next level up for him should be to become like Agent Smith in the matrix

Well, having taken control of a Zetsu body, this power may be possible.
Actually I think this would be a cool turn of events. Agent Oro as final boss.

solidguy · 2013-02-01, 02:14

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Originally Posted by james0246

Why does everyone think Minato would be able to so easily use the other half of the Kyuubi's chakra? Bearing in mind I expect that Kishimoto would allow him to easily use the chakra if he has it, realistically it takes years of practice to be able to use a bijuu's chakra so it would make little sense for Minato to easily be able to use the chakra without losing control or exploding. Obviously Kishimoto cares little about logic anymore, but it would still be pretty annoying if Minato can easily use the bijuu's chakra...

To be fair he has been in an endless battle inside the death gods stomach. Maybe he's got familiar with it getting his battle on

Hiking_Bear · 2013-02-01, 03:42

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To be fair he has been in an endless battle inside the death gods stomach. Maybe he's got familiar with it getting his battle on

Presumably he's had just as much time with the 9-tails as Naruto has, except he was able to start that experience from hokage level rather than baby level.

Ero-Senn1n · 2013-02-01, 04:16

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Well, having taken control of a Zetsu body, this power may be possible.
Actually I think this would be a cool turn of events. Agent Oro as final boss.

I still give a little bit more chance for the final boss not being Sasuke. I mean, i would like to see Sasuke and Naruto join forces and fight against a final boss like they fought against Zabuza. Then the final boss could be either Edo-Rinnegan-Madara or Agent Orochi

Also i remember writing about this some years ago: for Sasuke to be accepted back into Konoha and the alliance it shouldn't be enough that Naruto simply forgives him, sure people would accept Naruto's decision as his subordinates and also because by that time they will respect Naruto for what he has done so people will just shut up about what they really think, but i think for a real "happy end" people should also accept Sasuke back at 100%, and for that to happen Sasuke should redeem himself by doing something very important and by this point in the manga the "very important" thing can't be other than saving Naruto and through that the entire world from being taken over by the final boss.

At this point i would prefer Orochimaru as the final boss simply because he is more interesting than Madara. However right now it doesn't seem that he has interest in taking action, he is not his old self now. But he has 4 super-powerful summons now and also Zetsu as you mentioned, so if he changes his mind later he can be an interesting final boss.

Kenu · 2013-02-01, 07:21

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pretty good point, but i think Kishi is going to make it so that the 4th does have kyuubi chakra. Everyone's been saying that Naruto's surpassed his father, so i don't think it would be an entertaining fight. Raikage said he was faster, and the Kyuubi said he had surpassed him

Personally I'm quite over the fact the Konoha 11 have surpassed the older generation. If all that Minato does with his return is reinforce this fact, it's yet another failure of Kishimoto.

Jehuty · 2013-02-01, 07:36

I wonder if Kyuubi will become aware that his other 'half' chakra has been brought back. It's too bad Naruto isn't carrying one of Minato's teleportation kunai.

I also wonder if, since the chakra itself was sealed inside Minato, would that chakra be sentient too? Given that Kyuubi is living chakra, it made me wonder why Ginkaku and Kinkaku never commented on it.

I fully expect Orochimaru to not be the bad guy anymore though. Sure, he was crazy as hell and he did come close to destroying Konoha if not for the 3rd's Shiki Fuujin, but I think his plan was more to just get a hold of Sasuke's body. Konoha's destruction may have been an added bonus at worst, and simply a secondary objective at best. Now I expect him to go on his quest to learn all the jutsu in the world, but without the megalomaniac attitude.

I mean, even Suigetsu offered Konoha on a silver platter and Orochimaru completely passed on that, even acknowledging they were no longer his snakes.

TimeMask · 2013-02-01, 08:34

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Originally Posted by Jehuty

I wonder if Kyuubi will become aware that his other 'half' chakra has been brought back. It's too bad Naruto isn't carrying one of Minato's teleportation kunai.

I also wonder if, since the chakra itself was sealed inside Minato, would that chakra be sentient too? Given that Kyuubi is living chakra, it made me wonder why Ginkaku and Kinkaku never commented on it.

I fully expect Orochimaru to not be the bad guy anymore though. Sure, he was crazy as hell and he did come close to destroying Konoha if not for the 3rd's Shiki Fuujin, but I think his plan was more to just get a hold of Sasuke's body. Konoha's destruction may have been an added bonus at worst, and simply a secondary objective at best. Now I expect him to go on his quest to learn all the jutsu in the world, but without the megalomaniac attitude.

I mean, even Suigetsu offered Konoha on a silver platter and Orochimaru completely passed on that, even acknowledging they were no longer his snakes.

I don't see Orochimaru turning good since he's so far gone as he's killed babies but Kishi could have him die doing a good thing but this could seem out of character.

It seems Orchimaru is willing to wait 3 years until he try's to take over Sasuke's body since he soul transferred with a Zetsu so he can't do this again until 3 years.

It shows Orochimaru has a lot of patience which is something Obito was lacking when he was rushing to complete the Ten Tails. Obito seems to have regained his patience now though.

**james0246** · 2013-02-01, 10:43

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Originally Posted by solidguy

To be fair he has been in an endless battle inside the death gods stomach. Maybe he's got familiar with it getting his battle on

Actually, he would be battling against the Kyuubi, not with it, inside the death god's stomach. The jutsu causes the two being sealed to fight against each other for eternity (though with the death god being nothing more than an Uzumaki party trick now, who's to say just what is really going on.)

Artimus_Prime · 2013-02-01, 11:05

i dont know about a party trick lol....you put that mask on it kinda kills ya...
but speaking of uzumakis, this other half of kyuubi chakra is a good place to put karin back in the story..

b1gdawg · 2013-02-01, 11:34

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Originally Posted by Kenu

Personally I'm quite over the fact the Konoha 11 have surpassed the older generation. If all that Minato does with his return is reinforce this fact, it's yet another failure of Kishimoto.

all the more reason to give Minato the Kyuubi's Chakra so he's stronger than the Konoha 11...

gibits · 2013-02-01, 12:37

How exactly does rinne tensei work? Why would it affect Madara? I thought it only worked for people who just recently died (which is why Jiraiya wasn't revived) and Madara died like 50-60 years ago.
Does the Edo Tensei make it so your timer is reset? Does that mean the 4 Hokage will be revived now as well?

**james0246** · 2013-02-01, 12:51

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How exactly does rinne tensei work? Why would it affect Madara? I thought it only worked for people who just recently died (which is why Jiraiya wasn't revived) and Madara died like 50-60 years ago.

I expect Nagato could have revived anyone he wished to, but the sheer quantity of lives he was attempting to bring back was too taxing for him...or maybe he did bring Jiraiya back, but his body was elsewhere and still injured.

itachi-san314 · 2013-02-01, 13:24

my thought was that nagato had such little chakra left after his fight with naruto, that he couldn't reach far enough back in time to revive jiraiya. presumably he could go back as far as he wants with full chakra since the plan was to revive madara.

it could also be as james says though, in that it was the amount of resurrections limited how far he could go back in time. it hasn't been made clear which reason it is and they both are basically lack of chakra so it may not matter to be that specific. i dont think its possible for jiraiya to have been secretly revived though since it would mean that nagato lied to naruto on his deathbed which wouldn't make sense

gibits · 2013-02-01, 13:52

Hmm so it was a chakra thing. But if Tobi had access to the Juubi's chakra he could raise someone that died 60 years ago.... So it is possible for him to raise the hokages as well.... Interesting.

I think Obito will turn and sacrifice himself to make Madara and everyone else alive (including the current kages and the 4 former kages). Then Madara will become the vessel for the Juubi and everyone kicks his ass and he dies since he isnt an Edo zombie anymore. The end.

chapel · 2013-02-01, 14:54

Didn't the 4TH seal half of kyubbi the same way the 3rd sealed orochimaru's arms. Therefore, should the kyubbi's chakra just go back to the kyubi?

gibits · 2013-02-01, 15:03

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Didn't the 4TH seal half of kyubbi the same way the 3rd sealed orochimaru's arms. Therefore, should the kyubbi's chakra just go back to the kyubi?

I would imagine so. But Kishimoto has never been the most consistent writer.

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Artimus_Prime The First Rasengan!! Join Date: Nov 2007	^ kinda curious myself...i initially believed that the portion of chakra minato sealed away is moot since kurama chakra is suppose to be infinite...that was until i reread 504. now I at least expect it to come up in following chapters but since kurama(Cell, not really lol) himself hasnt hinted that he is incomplete without the remainder of his chakra im not sure where the author will go with it... i mean isnt uzumaki karin in konoha somewhere? did she sense Taka's presence? could she have a role in dealing with the kyuubi chakra? __________________ Mokujin Rasengan Last edited by Artimus_Prime; 2013-02-01 at 00:19.

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Jehuty Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Tucson, AZ	I wonder if Kyuubi will become aware that his other 'half' chakra has been brought back. It's too bad Naruto isn't carrying one of Minato's teleportation kunai. I also wonder if, since the chakra itself was sealed inside Minato, would that chakra be sentient too? Given that Kyuubi is living chakra, it made me wonder why Ginkaku and Kinkaku never commented on it. I fully expect Orochimaru to not be the bad guy anymore though. Sure, he was crazy as hell and he did come close to destroying Konoha if not for the 3rd's Shiki Fuujin, but I think his plan was more to just get a hold of Sasuke's body. Konoha's destruction may have been an added bonus at worst, and simply a secondary objective at best. Now I expect him to go on his quest to learn all the jutsu in the world, but without the megalomaniac attitude. I mean, even Suigetsu offered Konoha on a silver platter and Orochimaru completely passed on that, even acknowledging they were no longer his snakes. __________________ "Sore de zenbun owari da" - Yasu, from NANA.

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Artimus_Prime The First Rasengan!! Join Date: Nov 2007	i dont know about a party trick lol....you put that mask on it kinda kills ya... but speaking of uzumakis, this other half of kyuubi chakra is a good place to put karin back in the story.. __________________ Mokujin Rasengan

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itachi-san314 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011	my thought was that nagato had such little chakra left after his fight with naruto, that he couldn't reach far enough back in time to revive jiraiya. presumably he could go back as far as he wants with full chakra since the plan was to revive madara. it could also be as james says though, in that it was the amount of resurrections limited how far he could go back in time. it hasn't been made clear which reason it is and they both are basically lack of chakra so it may not matter to be that specific. i dont think its possible for jiraiya to have been secretly revived though since it would mean that nagato lied to naruto on his deathbed which wouldn't make sense __________________ deviantArt

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james0246 Senior Member Moderator Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: East Cupcake	Why does everyone think Minato would be able to so easily use the other half of the Kyuubi's chakra? Bearing in mind I expect that Kishimoto would allow him to easily use the chakra if he has it, realistically it takes years of practice to be able to use a bijuu's chakra so it would make little sense for Minato to easily be able to use the chakra without losing control or exploding. Obviously Kishimoto cares little about logic anymore, but it would still be pretty annoying if Minato can easily use the bijuu's chakra...

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iBeast Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006	Time to see how overrated the first hokage was.

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gibits Endless Join Date: May 2004	How exactly does rinne tensei work? Why would it affect Madara? I thought it only worked for people who just recently died (which is why Jiraiya wasn't revived) and Madara died like 50-60 years ago. Does the Edo Tensei make it so your timer is reset? Does that mean the 4 Hokage will be revived now as well?

2013-02-01, 13:52	Link #118
gibits Endless Join Date: May 2004	Hmm so it was a chakra thing. But if Tobi had access to the Juubi's chakra he could raise someone that died 60 years ago.... So it is possible for him to raise the hokages as well.... Interesting. I think Obito will turn and sacrifice himself to make Madara and everyone else alive (including the current kages and the 4 former kages). Then Madara will become the vessel for the Juubi and everyone kicks his ass and he dies since he isnt an Edo zombie anymore. The end.

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chapel Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2013	Didn't the 4TH seal half of kyubbi the same way the 3rd sealed orochimaru's arms. Therefore, should the kyubbi's chakra just go back to the kyubi?