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Old 2013-01-30, 21:55   Link #11901
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I get confused about what the audience wants when I read these forum posts. What should he have written?
My guess is that, for a while there after the Zenkichi/Medaka presidential election showdown, it looked like the manga was going to become "Zenkichi Box." Many of the people who find Zenkichi boring probably dropped the manga part way through the "Zenkichi Box" arc (I myself was one chapter away from doing that before the story shifted focus.)

The Zenkichi fans, who liked that development (and who have always been among the more... "passionate" and vocal fans anyway) and stuck around hoping for more are most likely angry now that the author basically went "LOL. NOPE. PSYCH!" in their faces and thus are... passionately vocalizing their opinion. Medaka, who's perceived as the Spotlight-Stealing Squad is the natural target for their ire.

Thus, the current state of the forums. Kinda boring really. I miss the days when these forums were more diverse.
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Old 2013-01-31, 01:43   Link #11902
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I will admit I am disappointed. For me, and I am going to put it simply, is that I have seen this scenario before from this arc and the minus arc.

-Main character dies (Zen/Medaka)
-Meets familiar face that we have all heard about but have seen for the first time (Ajimu/ Medaka’s mother Hato)
-After coming back to life character has new powers to achieve victory. (Help win the rounds in the minus arc/ *spoil* beat Iihiko)

“ What might happen” Familiar face sets in motion something for the next arc.
Though I am only going to say that because of my reasons before
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Old 2013-01-31, 13:21   Link #11903
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I honestly have to agree at this point that the Medaka hate is getting really old. You're always welcome to voice your opinions, but sometimes we should move the discussion to other places.
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Old 2013-01-31, 14:52   Link #11904
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I honestly have to agree at this point that the Medaka hate is getting really old. You're always welcome to voice your opinions, but sometimes we should move the discussion to other places.
And with the huge twist in this week's chapter doing that makes even less sense to be honest.
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Old 2013-01-31, 19:24   Link #11905
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I look forward to coming into action a Zenkichi. He must do something.
IMHO some on forum does not correctly position the capabilities of Zen.
No one can compete with Medaka in area what is called skills, capabilities, and the like.
What is called Abnormality.
Even the title of her Abnormality - the End - transparently hinted at it.
Whatever the strongest character in the manga Medaka will win it.
Why? This is invented by the author. This is its key feature.
Then what is the key role Zenkitchi? Do what Medaka can not do.
This is his core business.
My opinion is that some people on the forum constantly wants to Zen make not his job.

What I want to say. If we turn to politics. Executive and legislative branches. Let Medaka will be the President. All remember and know Presidents US. This historical figures. Few people remember all the members of Congress. But important both.
This is a very simplified example. I do not discuss politics US. Just as an example. You can choose any other country.
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Old 2013-02-02, 09:21   Link #11906
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I don't get why people disliked this chapter. Medaka winning is no surprise, that's pretty much what she does, that's sort of the point of her existence. The reason this chapter was any good was the ending that I shan't spoil.
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Old 2013-02-02, 09:32   Link #11907
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i have to agree that.
that is a good twist.
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Old 2013-02-02, 09:50   Link #11908
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I don't dislike this chapter because Medaka won...I dislike it because it was boring. I know Nishio's wall of text style and I like it most of the time, but this chapter was just 90% wall of text about her technique...yes, it explained things well but to me in particular it just made the chapter boring as hell...

The plot twist at the end was good though, I was NOT expecting it at all.
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Old 2013-02-02, 09:53   Link #11909
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I honestly have to agree at this point that the Medaka hate is getting really old. You're always welcome to voice your opinions, but sometimes we should move the discussion to other places.
You know what is also getting old? This pathetic Medaka hater card that some of you here likes to throw out when someone says something negative even without mentioning Medaka.
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Old 2013-02-02, 10:47   Link #11910
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The fight between Iihiko is borefest. EVerything decided with one attack? Lame.
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Old 2013-02-02, 11:07   Link #11911
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I'm completely lost here.
Hasn't Medaka took over the Kurokami group, causing Zenkichi to leave her because he finally succeeded in his main goal; which was to turn Medaka into someone plenty capable of making her own decisions without his or anyone else's interference; that leading ultimately to Zenkichi to be freed from the shackles that were put on him by Medaka since the very 1st day they met?
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Old 2013-02-02, 11:13   Link #11912
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Medaka got killed 2 times in a row...
Sheesh that's hardcore.
Fresh stuff though.
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Old 2013-02-02, 11:55   Link #11913
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Though people should expect Medaka to somehow make a comeback defeat IIhiko and save Shiranui. Expecting anything else at this point is delusional....
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Old 2013-02-02, 12:25   Link #11914
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Wait, Iihiko's perfect defense could be broken just by Medaka hitting him with more power? And a freaking image can reduce air resistance?

Frankly, I would have been satisfied with a semi-contrived explanation of Medaka figuring out how to use styles to "reach" Iihiko (after Nienami said she was using styles wrong earlier) but this BS physics solution just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

At least Iihiko wasn't really defeated, otherwise I would have been really pissed off.
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Old 2013-02-02, 12:28   Link #11915
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^Nisio seems to be making stuff up as he goes. He might not even know how this ends. This might make things idiotic or completely unpredicatable. If even the author doesn't know how it will end, what chance, then do we have?
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Old 2013-02-02, 12:42   Link #11916
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^Nisio seems to be making stuff up as he goes. He might not even know how this ends. This might make things idiotic or completely unpredicatable. If even the author doesn't know how it will end, what chance, then do we have?
Sorry to rain on your parade, but Nisio plans one year ahead. So no, he clearly knows what he's doing, and he knows how's this going to end too.
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Old 2013-02-02, 12:46   Link #11917
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^Nisio seems to be making stuff up as he goes. He might not even know how this ends. This might make things idiotic or completely unpredicatable. If even the author doesn't know how it will end, what chance, then do we have?
Personally I think he comes up with ideas on the fly and pins them to a dartboard to decide which ones to use.

I LOVED THE ENDING!!!!
IT WAS SO FRESH!!!

Nisio went out of his way to explain how IIhiko was just like Medaka in that he was born lucky, a monster who the world revolves around making him victorious in everything. I think we were all expecting Medaka to pull some new power out of her ass and win against this new villain, so much so that we forgot he wasn't actually a villain. That Medaka was out to save Shiranui from something she didn't actually need saving from, in the end this was just Medaka forcing her views on someone else. Ajimu said that in a fight in a manga, the more heroic one wins, but just being Medaka's opposition didn't make IIhiko evil by default.

So she loses.

I can't wait for the next chapter. It's bound to be Fresh!!!

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Old 2013-02-02, 12:57   Link #11918
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Sorry to rain on your parade, but Nisio plans one year ahead. So no, he clearly knows what he's doing, and he knows how's this going to end too.
I think it's more that he knows what he's doing, but exactly what he's doing is kinda goofy. Also, Medaka is supposed to be moving faster than the speed of sound in that whole attack right? How did Zenkichi and company such get any time in to have that little dialogue there? Manga/Anime seems to commit this offense quite often, so I'm not surprised, I just find it funny.
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Old 2013-02-02, 12:58   Link #11919
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Fools will try to make me believe what they want, but the truth is Medaka is not coming back from this. Her body is completely messed up, her guts got pierced so now she can't even use the style to support herself. And the title, "Kurokami Final". This is the end for Medaka.

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I think it's more that he knows what he's doing, but exactly what he's doing is kinda goofy. Also, Medaka is supposed to be moving faster than the speed of sound in that whole attack right? How did Zenkichi and company such get any time in to have that little dialogue there? Manga/Anime seems to commit this offense quite often, so I'm not surprised, I just find it funny.
Reading by panels you always will have the sensation everything is going slow, but in reality all the talk they had only needed a few seconds.
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Old 2013-02-02, 13:01   Link #11920
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Fools will try to make me believe what they want, but the truth is Medaka is not coming back from this.
Hah.
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Her body is completely messed up, her guts got pierced so now she can't even use the style to support herself. And the title, "Kurokami Final". This is the end for Medaka.
And thus, the end for the manga.
As much as I want her to die and for it to continue focusing on characters who don't suck, she is the title character and so by definition she will survive anything.
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