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Old 2013-02-06, 10:53   Link #81
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Katon Goukakyuu no Jutsu seems like a pretty evil technique, I mean consuming your enemy in a ball of fiery death...
And drowning them in water, or burning them with lava/acid, or cutting them up into pieces with wind, or frying them with lightning are also nice and pleasant things, right?

Fire is generally seen as being a "passionate" element, so it's placement within the Uchiha Clan makes quite a bit of sense now. Then again, it is a casual relationship at best and many other characters that use other elements do not so closely represent the cultural stereotypes of their elements.
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Old 2013-02-06, 12:35   Link #82
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Katon Goukakyuu no Jutsu seems like a pretty evil technique, I mean consuming your enemy in a ball of fiery death...
i was going to say it's their fiery passion, but james beat me to it it really is the most fittingly symbolic element for them to use

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I'm really not getting this Tobirama suspicion. The very fact that he chose Sarutobi over Danzou is fairly indicative of the fact that he is not a strict nor harsh dictator (all Kages are degrees of dictators). Tobirama simply seems extremely pragmatic, maybe even a little cynical, but not bloodthirsty (he does condemn his own forbidden technique) and certainly not a warmonger patriot like Danzou (he did sacrifice himself for the betterment of the village). I think you are harshly condemning him simply because he is another Tobi and all Tobi are evil in the Narutoverse (especially Sarutobi) .
lol yea. i'm not saying i believe him to be evil. i'm just saying that i have my suspicions of him. it can be argued that danzo had the village in mind during his heinous actions. sarutobi probably got softer in his old age, while i think danzo got more agressive. probably after not being chosen to be hokage, similar to orochimaru, is what threw danzo off the deep end in terms of morality, so I doubt tobirama ever got a chance to see the danzo we all know and love. i guess all i'm hinting at is that tobirama is the type of leader to throw morality out the window if he thinks it will benefit konoha and he doesn't seem above stabbing his own brother in the back if he can justify it. whereas hashirama, like naruto, would probably take a beating to defend someone who doesnt deserve it
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Old 2013-02-06, 13:41   Link #83
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shodai's older right?

i get the feeling that hash and madara may have been good friends a very long time ago...
"he was right about it being an immoral jutsu..." madara said this
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Old 2013-02-06, 13:56   Link #84
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i guess all i'm hinting at is that tobirama is the type of leader to throw morality out the window if he thinks it will benefit konoha and he doesn't seem above stabbing his own brother in the back if he can justify it. whereas hashirama, like naruto, would probably take a beating to defend someone who doesnt deserve it
I don't think so, even in their disagreements and flaws it's obvious the author showed the Hokage to be fundamentally good people. Nidaime was colder and harsher than his brother and his actions along with the Elders later ended up a self-fulfilling prophecy but he's no Danzou who most certainly did not sacrifice himself for anything and had only one thing in mind : Danzou.
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Old 2013-02-06, 15:38   Link #85
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So basically the reason that itachi was willing to let his clan to be wiped out was because of genetic illness?? (because he loved his village too much and his genetic illness made him to be willing to sacrifice everything (except Sasuke) to protect the village) So basically Itachi was obsessed with the village and his brother the whole time XD

Which kind of makes sense because I always thought it was so unconvincing for Itachi to go that far.
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Old 2013-02-06, 18:51   Link #86
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Its more like there was no future with the uchiha clan, seeing how the will try to take over the village and die failing. Itachi pick option two to save his brother at the least. Another way to interpert his action is that he see the village as his family too, difficult to pick who over who.
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Old 2013-02-06, 21:16   Link #87
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wtf i thought the third hokage was the god of shinobi?
He was. But things have since been retconned to give Hashirama a bigger role and since it would be absurd to have the Third be stronger than the newly-repowered Hashirama, Hashirama gets retconned as the god of shinobi and we're all supposed to forget about it.
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Old 2013-02-06, 22:34   Link #88
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Its more like there was no future with the uchiha clan, seeing how the will try to take over the village and die failing. Itachi pick option two to save his brother at the least. Another way to interpert his action is that he see the village as his family too, difficult to pick who over who.
That's very true...but I still think a normal person wouldn't have the determination to do something that dramatic (but then again this is naruto universe ) I mean, technically speaking uchiha clan hadn't even started their rebellion (the third hokage still thought he could settle it peacefully) and itachi just had to kill his parent

Anyway, we have learnt the truth behind the "massacre" for a long long time, but it's just this chapter makes me think of some new theories behind itachi's action. Maybe, just maybe the reason itachi could do such horrible things to his family and his clan was because he was an uchiha after all XD
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Old 2013-02-07, 00:59   Link #89
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Is there any chance that Oro just summoned the 4 Kage so Sasuke can ask them questions? I think it'd be a shame if we don't see them fight. And if Oro does decide to undo the Edo Tensei and remove all of them, I hope at least Tobirama will be able to do the same thing Madara did, and stay alive with unlimited Chakra etc.
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Old 2013-02-07, 01:34   Link #90
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I don't think so, even in their disagreements and flaws it's obvious the author showed the Hokage to be fundamentally good people. Nidaime was colder and harsher than his brother and his actions along with the Elders later ended up a self-fulfilling prophecy but he's no Danzou who most certainly did not sacrifice himself for anything and had only one thing in mind : Danzou.
I think you greatly misjudge Danzou.
All his actions were for the village. The only thing in his mind was the good of the village, and in the end he did sacrifice himself for it.
The big difference between him and the Hokages is, that the Hokages don't only think about the village, but about all Shinobi. Danzou would wipe out all the other villages if he had the chance, to bring the Leaf peace.
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Old 2013-02-07, 01:40   Link #91
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Maybe, just maybe the reason itachi could do such horrible things to his family and his clan was because he was an uchiha after all XD
As per the third's explanation, Itachi simply had extrodinary wisdom and insight that apparently allowed him to disregard some of the very primal urges of the reptilian and mammalian portions of the brain, which the other Uchiha apparently have great difficulty with. Long ago, I used to have a suspicion that Itachi massacred his clan because he probably underwent root-like mental conditioning and resocialization in Anbu, then somehow became psychotic and snapped, consequently killing the entire clan.

But now that I think about this, perhaps Tobirama should have tried recruiting at least some of the Uchiha(after a certain amount of demonstrated ability) into a unique branch of the prestigious Anbu squad. In Anbu, they probably wouldn't be suspicious of being excluded as is the case in the police force and they'd be required to undergo special root-like conditioning that would greatly mitigate their intense emotions. Because of the way the sharingan evolves though, this probably wouldn't stop all these lunatics from wanting to kill eachother, but perhps it would have a chance at making a notable difference. This would obviously hurt their potential a great deal, but would also severely lower the chance of some maniac running around summoning a giant meteor down on a village.

I guess Tobirama's explanation now gives a clearer picture to Itachi's tale of Madara, when he described him as being "possessed by the Magenkyo". The monster in the background must be representing Madara's overbearing emotion.

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Is there any chance that Oro just summoned the 4 Kage so Sasuke can ask them questions? I think it'd be a shame if we don't see them fight. And if Oro does decide to undo the Edo Tensei and remove all of them, I hope at least Tobirama will be able to do the same thing Madara did, and stay alive with unlimited Chakra etc.
Ugh, I hope Sasuke releases the jutsu right after he's satisfied with the answers(but I know this is unlikely). The alliance should be able to do their job themselves, and I really don't want to watch these legendary Hokages be defeated by Naruto just so that he can recieve yet more fan-service. I hope they say their piece and are simply allowed a well deserved rest. Or, if they are dragged in the war, then hopefully they're released after Madara's defeat. Too many great ninjas were brought back for unecessary nonsense imo.
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Old 2013-02-07, 02:07   Link #92
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Is there any chance that Oro just summoned the 4 Kage so Sasuke can ask them questions? I think it'd be a shame if we don't see them fight. And if Oro does decide to undo the Edo Tensei and remove all of them, I hope at least Tobirama will be able to do the same thing Madara did, and stay alive with unlimited Chakra etc.
I'm sure all 4 will be eventually be on the battle field.

I just want to know why wasn't most of these things written in the secret Uchiha shrine? Didn't the Uchiha have any historians in their clan?
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Old 2013-02-07, 02:45   Link #93
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I think you greatly misjudge Danzou.
All his actions were for the village. The only thing in his mind was the good of the village, and in the end he did sacrifice himself for it.
The big difference between him and the Hokages is, that the Hokages don't only think about the village, but about all Shinobi. Danzou would wipe out all the other villages if he had the chance, to bring the Leaf peace.
And I think you don't realize about low Danzou had fallen from his youth. What you describe is probably what Danzou was once upon a time, or what he told himself at least, but it wasn't who he was for decades. He didn't think about Konoha, he thought about Konoha led by him which is vastly different. There isn't a single of his action that hasn't harmed Konoha, from his dealing in Ame with Hanzo to betray Sarutobi to his abandon of Konoha to Pain in order to take down Tsunade and everything in between, Danzo is the worst traitor Konoha has ever known since its inception.
And he most certainly didn't sacrifice himself in the end. When he saw his death coming he turned his back and fled. His last jutsu was automatically activated upon his death to take his enemies along with him. He didn't forsake his own life for the good of others, he died a pathetic death after an unseemly life.

He was nothing like the Hokage he so despised, he was a self centered coward who told himself fairy tales about the greater good of the village when he believed himself to be the "king". The 2nd Hokage for all his harshness, apparent prejudice and unresolved issues with the Uchiha that stopped him from fully considering them part of Konoha was a man who truly thought about the village and its future first and foremost and sacrified himself to allow the youths and future of the village to survive. Danzou could never have made this decision, he couldn't as a youth and would have ordered them all to sacrifice themselves to allow him to escape in his old age.

Make no mistake, he's one of the few characters I actually like and I regret he wasn't given a more important role in the story, Konoha led by him could have led to so many interesting issue. But the reason I found him to have so much potential is precisely because he's the polar opposite of the Hokage.
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Old 2013-02-07, 22:21   Link #94
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Ugh, I hope Sasuke releases the jutsu right after he's satisfied with the answers(but I know this is unlikely). The alliance should be able to do their job themselves, and I really don't want to watch these legendary Hokages be defeated by Naruto just so that he can recieve yet more fan-service. [...]
You're probably going to be gravely disappointed. With the way things have been going along in this fan-service show “ninja-war”, this development is probably going to be yet another set-up for more unnecessary fan-service and power-ups for our hero Naruto. We'll probably see him take on all four legendary Kages simultaneously and win (no, I'm not being sarcastic, I'm serious). Yeah, I know what some people might be thinking, but I used to think defeating 6 jinchuriki equpped with rinnegan, sharingan and unique abilities was far-fetched too; turns out its not.

Maybe we'll be lucky and he'll receive a significant power-up from Minato which he'd obviously need after being able to defeat 4 of the strongest ninjas of all time. Doubling the Kyuubi's chakra, extending the time he can spend in kyuubi-mode(hell, why even have to turn it off), and a few more surprise enhancements and abilities should do it. One enhancement should be the ability to fly; he's a wind type after all.
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Old 2013-02-07, 23:26   Link #95
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Maybe we'll be lucky and he'll receive a significant power-up from Minato which he'd obviously need after being able to defeat 4 of the strongest ninjas of all time. Doubling the Kyuubi's chakra, extending the time he can spend in kyuubi-mode(hell, why even have to turn it off), and a few more surprise enhancements and abilities should do it. One enhancement should be the ability to fly; he's a wind type after all.
Didn't he do just that two chapters ago when he magically transformed the entire army into a huge chakra bird?
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Old 2013-02-08, 00:01   Link #96
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I just really hope the 4th doesn't have to fight his own son. That would make me really sad.
I still think the 3rd is the strongest of the kages. He beat both the 1st and 2nd when Oro summoned them. And if they werent immortal, he would have beaten them too. The 4th is a bit of a wild card but I think he is still inferior to the other 3 kage. He had good sealing techniques, was very fast, and good jutsu control but nothing really that special.

The 1st is now my favorite kage. What an easy going guy. So he's the reason Tsunade is the way she is? I can totally tell now. Wonder how Konohmaru wil turn out. Will he end up being a serious fellow like the 3rd or hyperactive attention whore like Naruto?
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Old 2013-02-08, 00:15   Link #97
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Shodaime is a pretty cool guy. Though I'm always wondering what Oro is up to.
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Old 2013-02-08, 02:03   Link #98
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Gheyyyy "love too much" rofl what a troll. GG kishi.. gg

Edit: just wanted to say it is badass itachi was kage level when he was 6 (at least mentally)
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Edit: just wanted to say it is badass itachi was kage level when he was 6 (at least mentally)
yea totally. kind of begs the question, or the answer rather, that itachi is the smartest character in the series over shikamaru and his father
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Old 2013-02-08, 03:01   Link #100
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Oh please... Kishimoto's way of making Sasuke "good" again are too glaring.

If any of that happens, I'll instantly downgrade this manga.
If it's taken you this long to threaten to downgrade the manga, you've been very tolerant so far!

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Gheyyyy "love too much" rofl what a troll. GG kishi.. gg

Edit: just wanted to say it is badass itachi was kage level when he was 6 (at least mentally)

It's all but confirmed it. lol... Jump should reclassify this manga as shonen-ai.
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