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View Poll Results: Psycho-Pass - Episode 16 Rating
Perfect 10 57 53.27%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 36 33.64%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 8 7.48%
7 out of 10 : Good 5 4.67%
6 out of 10 : Average 0 0%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 0.93%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
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Old 2013-02-08, 15:04   Link #101
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Tsk, I hope he doesn't kill Gino too.
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Old 2013-02-08, 16:23   Link #102
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Akane saved the day. For somebody who's key strength has never been her combat expertise, that speaks well of her.
QFT. Akane took down the guy and saved Kogami. It matters not how she did it, imo. The fact that she did it is awesome enough.
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Old 2013-02-08, 16:33   Link #103
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Wow amazing episode, best one so far imo! did kagari just die? I can't wait for next episode!
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Old 2013-02-08, 16:39   Link #104
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WOW, what a strong episode. Absolutely awesome and I dont say that very often.

Kindo suspected Kagari would die, I just didnt think it would be the director to kill him. Another surprise was, how easily they took out Makishima, I would have expected him to be a toughie....

Also kudo points for the karate fight, very well executed imo.

Not much else to say other than: cant wait for the next epi!!!
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Old 2013-02-08, 16:54   Link #105
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Figured Akane wouldn't kill him. Really wonder what the true form of the system is now. Kagari going alone from the start was going to be bad for him, though since it was non lethal he might still be alive. I'm guessing the Chief is a robot/terminal for the main system.
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Old 2013-02-08, 17:01   Link #106
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Figured Akane wouldn't kill him. Really wonder what the true form of the system is now. Kagari going alone from the start was going to be bad for him, though since it was non lethal he might still be alive. I'm guessing the Chief is a robot/terminal for the main system.
Look again. It was supposed to be non-lethal, but the Chief overrode the system and activated Disintegrator mode.
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Old 2013-02-08, 18:31   Link #107
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I knew it! The chief is probably the final boss, and did she just forced a lethal mode?
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Old 2013-02-08, 18:33   Link #108
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I knew it! The chief is probably the final boss, and did she just forced a lethal mode?
No and yes.
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Old 2013-02-08, 18:55   Link #109
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My god, such an awesome ep. It just keeps getting better and better, not even slowing down. I need new pants. My inner cyberpunk fanboy is screaming.
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Old 2013-02-08, 19:40   Link #110
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The difference is that human brains have context processing capabilities and awareness which computers don't have. The need for a computer to have human brains as part of its system just tells you straight up that its integral part is human decision making. That's what makes it dependant on humans. Now, I wouldn't find that so shocking as Choe's reaction suggests, because humans already get to decide things like policy, public safety etc. Computer-assisted decision making, that's fine, but I'd find it more disturbing if solely computers would get to play with my fate.
Except the humans who get to decide public policy ARE APPOINTED BY THE COMPUTER. Sure ultra high level politicians are elected, but all the bureaucrats who actually make policy are part of the system due to being appointed by it. Sybll effectively controls this entire society...and the lay person is overall pretty content with the machine managing their lives.


Frankly Cyth, I'm not sure what your point is. It certainly tie into the idea that people would be freaked out if the computer system used pig brains as processors.

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Well, I also don't see real difference between animal's brains or human brains.
Cause as willing as people are for public menaces to be shot down, I don't think this society is comfortable with the idea of using human beings as spare parts. Heck. Especially if the people being used as part of the processor are people like Makishima...ruthless latent criminals. So far we've only had two examples of people with psycho pass that doesn't match their behavior, and both of them have been murderers.

If Choe could prove that the Sybl system was operated by latent criminals, it'd certainly WOULD cast doubt upon the system.
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I just didn't think running forward and hitting a guy with a helmet was that impressive when she's a police officer who received (I assume) some form of training. Let's put it another way, she deserves way better scenes then "damsel in distress armed with helmet against badguys."
How was Akane a damsel in distress in this episode? She got shot in the thigh with a nailgun, then sucked it up and told Kougami to go ahead while she bandaged up.

Also. I think people are underestimating the utility of surprise blunt trauma from behind.
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Old 2013-02-08, 19:54   Link #111
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I can see it coming , the usual cliche : A little girl ( which is hooked up with sybil and judges whether one dies or lives ) controlling mankind .
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Old 2013-02-08, 19:56   Link #112
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How was Akane a damsel in distress in this episode? She got shot in the thigh with a nailgun, then sucked it up and told Kougami to go ahead while she bandaged up.
She's covered in this "needs to be protected" light by the story; the fact none of the characters can say "don't come, it's too dangerous" because of circumstances (enforces because they would be suspect; Nobu because he's her colleague) doesn't really help get it off. She's also portrayed as an airhead a few times. I understand why (they whole representing the onlookers and whatnot), but they could give her some badass moments that don't involve cheap attacks. They did it in Ep1 with the whole railgun to the spine, there should have been a tad more, since from then to now she's only been carried by the story or dragged by other characters (such as the case in the robot factory).

I don't know maybe because swinging a helmet is essentially just swinging your hands in the air I don't find all too "exiting." She would have had to kick him in the groin and headbutt him (then hit him with the mask), or just punch/kick him down, for me to take it as an "awe inspiring heroic feat."

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OH I just figured what else could power Sybl!
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If Choe could prove that the Sybl system was operated by latent criminals, it'd certainly WOULD cast doubt upon the system.
How was Akane a damsel in distress in this episode? She got shot in the thigh with a nailgun, then sucked it up and told Kougami to go ahead while she bandaged up.

Also. I think people are underestimating the utility of surprise blunt trauma from behind.
I could understand felix's complaint if, say, Akane had rushed at Makishima and then clumsily tripped up, and just luckily knocked him out by going head-first right into his sternum.

But there was nothing "amateur hour" about Akane's victory here. She handled things well and with great professionalism.

Blunt trauma attack from behind isn't fancy, but it's not lame. If done well (and Akane did it well) it's quick and it's effective.


I think some people should stop hoping that Akane will somehow turn into Chuck Norris and roundhouse kick people while making a shining smile for the camera.

I like kickass protagonists as much as the next guy, but come on, your lead character doesn't need to be freakin' Batman in order to be strong and generally likable.
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Old 2013-02-08, 20:04   Link #114
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I could understand felix's complaint if, say, Akane had rushed at Makishima and then clumsily tripped up, and just luckily knocked him out by going head-first right into his sternum.

But there was nothing "amateur hour" about Akane's victory here. She handled things well and with great professionalism.

Blunt trauma attack from behind isn't fancy, but it's not lame. If done well (and Akane did it well) it's quick and it's effective.
I didn't have a problem with the scene, I just didn't find it "awe inspiring."

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I think some people need to stop hoping that Akane will somehow turn into Chuck Norris and roundhouse kick people while making a shining smile for the camera.

I like kickass protagonists as much as the next guy, but come on, your lead character doesn't need to be freakin' Batman in order to be strong and generally likable.
I'll get you to believe Batnoriss Akane some day!
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Old 2013-02-08, 20:13   Link #115
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Sucks for Kagari. Going out like that. Kicked all the ass he needed to, only to get killed by the boss...seems to be a robot.

RIP Kagari. Good dude, just born in a bad age.

Good win for Akane. Sometimes the winner is just the one who gets lucky. Besides only fair. Makashima got help by his flunkies who injured Kogami and Akane. In the end Akane can't just kill someone. Doing something that in a sense might be harder in actually arresting him rather than giving into the anger and wish to avenge her friend.
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I didn't have a problem with the scene, I just didn't find it "awe inspiring."
I thought it was executed perfectly (i.e. the way the anime portrayed it). But I'll admit it's not "awe inspiring" technical merits-wise, especially considering that awesome Kougami vs. Makishima fight that came before it.

But here's the thing - This is the meticulous mastermind monster (who also happens to have magical hand-to-hand combat hax, like Roger Rambo has noted ) who killed one of Akane's two best friends. The guy is smooth as a butterfly and stings like a knife to the throat.

To put it in perspective... Imagine if The Joker was actually Batman's equal (if not slight superior!) in hand-to-hand combat. The Joker killed one of Barbara Gordon's two best friends right in front of her, all while mocking her. He now manages to knock out Batman during an epic one-on-one fight on the rooftop of Gotham's tallest building. Barbara Gordon took a nasty nail-gun shot from one of the Joker's henchmen on the way to the rooftop.

Once she gets to the roof she sees the Joker laughing maniacally over Batman's fallen and bleeding body. Joker has a knife in his hands, and clearly intends to kill Batman. Barbara Gordon grabs one of the Joker's toys and hits him hard on the head with it, KOing him and saving Batman. She had to sprint over to Joker to achieve this. That obviously takes real courage on Barbara's part.

I can tell you that female comic book fans would be heralding this big-time as a great moment for a comic book heroine.

It's the context that makes it great. Same thing with Akane here.

Would it be nice if Akane gets to kick ass in a more "fair fight", I guess you could say? Sure. But I don't think her character needs it.


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Batnorris is an impossibly cool visual, so I'll give you kudos for coming up with that at least.
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I thought a martial art master could sense all directions, and I guess Makishima is not at master level yet
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Old 2013-02-08, 21:07   Link #118
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Would it be nice if Akane gets to kick ass in a more "fair fight",
that would be wholly unrealistic and fall into "Riot Gurl" syndrome that Hollywood does a lot.
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Old 2013-02-08, 21:28   Link #119
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nah, Sibyl will be a half naked guy sitting in a desk working meticulously with pen and paper

"wait a second, are you saying that we lost our future because of this dude!?"
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Old 2013-02-08, 22:20   Link #120
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I don't know maybe because swinging a helmet is essentially just swinging your hands in the air I don't find all too "exiting." She would have had to kick him in the groin and headbutt him (then hit him with the mask), or just punch/kick him down, for me to take it as an "awe inspiring heroic feat."
That wouldn't have been heroic. That would have been incredibly stupid. Groin strikes hurt, but they don't have the same kind of combat effectiveness as blunt force trauma to the head...neither does a headbutt for that matter. If you're coming up on somebody from behind, it's incredibly dumb to waste your opening attack doing such pointless things when you could just smack him upside the head.

Basically Akane should have acted like an idiot because it would have been *keeeewl*.
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I didn't have a problem with the scene, I just didn't find it "awe inspiring."
It's awe inspiring because "Super criminal gets taken out by opportunistic non combatant with a blunt object to the back of his head because he let his guard down" is inherently hilarious.

Why do you think the story of David and Goliath is so resonant? It's a bully whose incredibly strong, but is so full of themselves they let their guard down just long enough for a weaker person to take them out. It's pretty obvious that if Makishima hadn't been so worked up and focused about carving Kougami up like a turkey he could have defended himself easily. But he let himself get distracted.
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Would it be nice if Akane gets to kick ass in a more "fair fight", I guess you could say? Sure. But I don't think her character needs it.
Honestly? Sometimes I get a bit disturbed by fandom analysis that judges character merit so heavily based on *how much ass they kick?*. Cause frankly, societies that focus so heavily on that kind of social merit are seldom pleasant. They tend to be downright militaristic and dysfunctional.

So I don't quite understand the griping about Akane not being *boss* enough...especially considering she's done non combat related stuff that's made the combat capable characters stare in amazement (remember risking going all latent criminal by mentally revisiting that incident with Makishima?).
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I thought a martial art master could sense all directions, and I guess Makishima is not at master level yet
That's because Makishima isn't a zen martial artist. He's a thrill seeker who got distracted by something enticing. Thriller seekers can get extremely sloppy when they're getting worked up about something. He's got the technical skills, but I think his cool professionalism so far has had more to do with him being a discerning thrill seeker rather than him knowing how to regulate his emotions from distracting him.
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