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Old 2013-02-13, 15:03   Link #12021
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That was actually far, far better than I was expecting, but...
Is Nienami really Ajimu, or not? It's like they both confirmed and denied it at the same time.
Maybe it's I'm (I forget her first name) Nienami "Therefore" I'm also Ajimu...

I'm kidding but bit could happen.
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Old 2013-02-13, 15:14   Link #12022
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maybe having Iihiko win would make him lose.
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Old 2013-02-13, 15:20   Link #12023
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maybe having Iihiko win would make him lose.
Actually, I wonder if defeating Iihiko means that on some level you become Iihiko. Hanten'in said something about that.
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Old 2013-02-13, 15:27   Link #12024
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Actually, I wonder if defeating Iihiko means that on some level you become Iihiko. Hanten'in said something about that.
Yep, that's right. Hanten hinted at that whoever by some miracle defeats Iihiko will become an even more rarer item and for that same reason will be forced to stay in the Shiranui village forever. Hence why it should be only Shiranui who brings him down once and for all.

I don't know if this will the last arc, but man, the climax is just the best, you can feel the atmosphere, the destruction, and the carnage Iihiko laid down. Kumagawa is dead, Tsurubami is dead, Joutou is about to die, Kakegae has received a fatal wound... Even the unbeatable monster, Medaka, died.
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Old 2013-02-13, 15:29   Link #12025
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That aside this seems to be the setup for the ending maybe. I might be wrong.
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Old 2013-02-13, 15:33   Link #12026
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maybe having Iihiko win would make him lose.
Who said anything about Zenkichi winning the physical fight, Zenkichi only has one win condition that is saving Shiranui, he doesn't have to beat Iihiko to do this nor does beating Iihiko neccesarily means he succeeds in doing that anyway, since Iihiko could just die taking Shiranui with him.

Basically Zenkichi success is independent of how the fight goes, it could really go either way.
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Old 2013-02-13, 15:35   Link #12027
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If it was ending soon it would have been announced already.
It DOES feel like a climax with the entire main cast dead/dying though, that's for sure.
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Old 2013-02-13, 15:51   Link #12028
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Hmm.. It's possible my theory of Nienami being Ajimu is correct, though its obviously still nowhere near confirmed. I'm wondering if Nienami has something to do with Zen's missing memories from middle school, considering her words about him needing to remember all .
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Old 2013-02-13, 15:52   Link #12029
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If it was ending soon it would have been announced already.
It DOES feel like a climax with the entire main cast dead/dying though, that's for sure.
Zenkichi Box, where there is no real main character since Zenkichi doesn't have to defeat the arc villain and is simply a leader of sorts. It always made the most logical sense to me considering this manga's ongoing, Medaka always felt shooed in, in her battles against the arc villain, whereas Medaka box is a personality driven story and would benefit more from a passive MC that doesn't have to win the vast majority of the time and can even have others take the final limelight.
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Old 2013-02-13, 16:04   Link #12030
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I don't think Zenkichi is going to get out of this one if no one else does. More likely we'll get Torai Box or something.
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I'm wondering if Nienami has something to do with Zen's missing memories from middle school, considering her words about him needing to remember all.
Well, who the fifth member of Kumagawa's student council was does remain a mystery.
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Old 2013-02-13, 16:11   Link #12031
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I don't think Zenkichi is going to get out of this one if no one else does. More likely we'll get Torai Box or something.

Well, who the fifth member of Kumagawa's student council was does remain a mystery.
Who was the 4th? I remember Ajimu and Akune.
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Old 2013-02-13, 16:11   Link #12032
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Getting another chance to live, even if just for a short amount of time, by saving his best friend he's also gonna save the world, but right now Zenkichi is only facing off Iihiko because of Shiranui.

Since always I knew he didn't became my favorite character for just one or two traits of him, Zenkichi is the true hero of this history. He always was, but is now, in this moment where the future of the whole world is at stake, when the fruits of everything he has done till now are finally blooming with radiance.
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Old 2013-02-13, 16:13   Link #12033
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TBF is the missing memories even a real plot point anymore Kumagawa is a "good" guy Aijimu is dead, unless Nisio is going to bring out another character from nowhere to make it revelant again I don't really see what it adds to the story anymore, back when either Aijimu or Kumagawa was a villain it was relevant not really anymore.
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Old 2013-02-13, 16:20   Link #12034
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If Nisio is ever going to bring back those memories it won't be the part of the trauma but the part when Zenkichi meet Ajimu for the first time.

The question is, how can you bring back something that got wiped out of your mind?
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Old 2013-02-13, 16:28   Link #12035
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If Nisio is ever going to bring back those memories it won't be the part of the trauma but the part when Zenkichi meet Ajimu for the first time.

The question is, how can you bring back something that got wiped out of your mind?
Kumagawa remembers does he not, well at least a lot more than the other two, so it's not really gone at least from a verbal point of view though I'm not really sure they could trust Kumagawa's recollection.
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Old 2013-02-13, 16:35   Link #12036
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Who was the 4th? I remember Ajimu and Akune.
Maguro, actually.
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Kumagawa remembers does he not, well at least a lot more than the other two, so it's not really gone at least from a verbal point of view though I'm not really sure they could trust Kumagawa's recollection.
And speaking of, there's a line that the scanlators mistranslated early on in the current arc that suggests Maguro still remembered Ajimu, IIRC.
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Old 2013-02-13, 16:37   Link #12037
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hmm. I'm still not convinced. All this is probably a setup to Medaka saving Shiranui and defeating Iihiko (99% I'm leaning towards it still).
I know how ridiculous that sounds but thats the way I see it. You'll all get trolled lol
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Old 2013-02-13, 16:40   Link #12038
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This is harking back to the battle of the bands chapter, so, uh, unless Nisio decides that he's going to be completely awful next week we won't get a sudden Medaka victory.
I mean, she's obviously going to come back through some deus ex or another (because at this point it's very obvious that Zenkichi abandoned Devil Style assuming it existed in the first place) but it'd be damned interesting if she and the rest didn't.
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Old 2013-02-13, 17:01   Link #12039
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This is harking back to the battle of the bands chapter, so, uh, unless Nisio decides that he's going to be completely awful next week we won't get a sudden Medaka victory.
I mean, she's obviously going to come back through some deus ex or another (because at this point it's very obvious that Zenkichi abandoned Devil Style assuming it existed in the first place) but it'd be damned interesting if she and the rest didn't.
There was also the post-election scenario with Ajimu. From defeat she went to a victory. The situation is completely different and a hopeless one too, but a possibility is still there. And it need not happen next chapter, during the resolution of the Iihiko scenario she could give the final push to save Shiranui, defeat Iihiko. In every arc till now she has had the final say.
But you certainly are right, I am being excessively paranoid and 99% was pretty much an over-exaggeration. However, IMO considering this manga has been till now, a Medaka comeback and victory (with respect to IIhiko and Shiranui) should not be ruled out. Thats setting yourself up to be trolled (whether its awful or not)...
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Old 2013-02-13, 17:19   Link #12040
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Joutou explained with much clarity why she chose to revive Zenkichi of all people and you still think Medaka is going to make a comeback. *facepalm*

Even in this series with so much twists and unexpected developments there're certain limits, believe it or not. Yes, I think you are being too much paranoid
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