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Old 2013-02-14, 13:18   Link #12081
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@Sol Again, why the hierarchy in plot threads(Medaka vs Zenkichi vs Kumagawa)? As you said, they all have their chances to shine and resolve(or fail to resolve) their plots. I don't understand how this has to mean certain plots have to take center stage because they're subjectively "more interesting".
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Old 2013-02-14, 13:35   Link #12082
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I just recalled something.

Spoiler for spoiler:


Spot on, Tsurubami.
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Old 2013-02-14, 13:50   Link #12083
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Why haven't we seen that particular God Mode since? It would look cool with her shorter hair.
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Old 2013-02-14, 13:55   Link #12084
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Why haven't we seen that particular God Mode since? It would look cool with her shorter hair.
Because it failed like a smoker running a marathon.
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Old 2013-02-14, 14:09   Link #12085
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Why haven't we seen that particular God Mode since? It would look cool with her shorter hair.
that god mode allow medaka to fight equally with a normal, she combines the god mode that allow her to become weaker than her opponent and the god mode when she was berserk. she would never used it again powerfull opponent.

and by the way, this arc maybe not the last one. we still do not know what nienami is and her past.why do she help zenkichi that much and we cannot forget about medaka too, what is her reaction when she know that she lost completely. not like when she lost again zenkichi in the election, this time she lost completely after she giving it her all and she was the one who decided the rule of the duel.
And one more, Medaka said that she exist in order to bring everyone happiness and try to befriend them right, what about nienami? medaka's next target would be nienami in this case because nienami is the one who play the important role to help them all by transfering her skill to zenkich,medaka would not like it if she have a debt from the most useless person in the world(as stated by zenkichi).
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Old 2013-02-14, 14:11   Link #12086
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Because it failed like a smoker running a marathon.
Against Tsurubami, who has an overpowered combination attack. It would probably be fine on anyone else.
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that god mode allow medaka to fight equally with a normal, she combines the god mode that allow her to become weaker than her opponent and the god mode when she was berserk. she would never used it again powerfull opponent.
It "balances her strengths and weaknesses", actually. You're thinking of Forsaken God Mode.
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Old 2013-02-14, 14:15   Link #12087
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Against Tsurubami, who has an overpowered combination attack. It would probably be fine on anyone else.

It "balances her strengths and weaknesses", actually. You're thinking of Forsaken God Mode.
Considering the strength of charcters Medaka has fought post Tsurubami, yeah... Also it's not really a proper fighting mode, it's more of Medaka simply underestimating her oponents. Basically it's back when Medaka was on a power trip and simply wanted to fight.
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Old 2013-02-14, 15:29   Link #12088
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I wonder if Zenkichi's now gonna do a bizarre combination system like Kamone.

Devil Style + Contradictory Conjunction + Model Zenkichi?

A skill that negates the whims of fate + A Style that manipulates paradoxes + A skill that lets you perceive your own limits.

Dosen't seem to match, really.

That is, assuming the dude still has Devil Style, which is a bit unlikely.
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Old 2013-02-14, 15:38   Link #12089
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That is, assuming the dude still has Devil Style, which is a bit unlikely.
My current theory is that he freaked out after Medaka kissed him, suspected that she only did so because he'd become the "main character", didn't want to feel as though he was pushing her into something she may or may not have actually wanted to do, made Ajimu remove the skill, and made Kumagawa remove everyone's memories of the kiss.
Because that would explain why no one has mentioned it since.
yes I'm still mad about that forty chapters later
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Old 2013-02-14, 15:50   Link #12090
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My own theory is what happened to Killing Impulse (Munakata's abnormality) happened to Devil Style.
Kei lost it after he committed murder and found it boring.
Devil Style was acquired by Zenkichi when he wanted to beat Medaka.
When he did beat Medaka and saw her crawling on the floor as a result, he lost the desire to beat her. Hence it disappeared just like Kei's abnormality.
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Old 2013-02-14, 15:51   Link #12091
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My own theory is what happened to Killing Impulse (Munakata's abnormality) happened to Devil Style.
Kei lost it after he committed murder and found it boring.
Devil Style was acquired by Zenkichi when he wanted to beat Medaka.
When he did beat Medaka and saw her crawling on the floor as a result, he lost the desire to beat her. Hence it disappeared just like Kei's abnormality.
Devil Style seems to be a more generalized "Skill", like the characters in GLK have, rather than being something tied to personality like an Abnormality or a Minus.
It shouldn't work that way, though it's a reasonable enough explanation, sure.
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Old 2013-02-14, 16:08   Link #12092
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Devil Style seems to be a more generalized "Skill", like the characters in GLK have, rather than being something tied to personality like an Abnormality or a Minus.
It shouldn't work that way, though it's a reasonable enough explanation, sure.
I'm pretty sure all skills are personalities, it's just not always clear how they connect. In the recent narration about Shiranui's Real Eater, they talked about how her being able to change someone's skill, and therefore their personality, was disgusting. On the other hand, it's also the same skill that Hanten has. When Hanten gives someone a skill, it either represents their personality or changes their personality. In this case, Devil Style was suggested by Zenkichi because of his personality, so it is his personality. There's no reason to think it's anything different.

Yeah, there are plenty of throwaway characters like those in GLK who seem to have completely random skills, but it's precisely because they're throwaway characters that it's hard to say that they don't have anything to do with their personality.
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Old 2013-02-14, 16:16   Link #12093
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I kinda also subscribe to the notion that personal skills are manifestations of the character's personality.
For instance, out of all of Anshin's skills, only two would work with Kumagawa's personality. And I don't think it's any coincidence that Parasite Seeing was a match for Zenkichi, given that one of his quintessential traits is understanding the feelings of others(why he's so fit to use a style).

Nishio just kinda forgot about Devil Style, it's all.
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Old 2013-02-14, 17:02   Link #12094
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While Skills are probablu manifestations, that seems to be limited to inate skills, at this point we have several characters who have acquired skills with no real personality change or signifcant effects, Medaka has acquired dozens Hinokage has had his changed, Kumagawa's acquired another one etc. Zenkichi could have had any skill he wanted, and Aijimu implied he had no limit meaning his personality wasn't limiting his choice. Minus' are more strongly linked to personality the story seems to imply with plus a much weaker link if at all. The only plus that was implied to be personality based was also stated to be the closest one to that of a minus.
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Old 2013-02-14, 17:06   Link #12095
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Hm, you bring-up some good points. .

Actually, I think Ajimu has used the term "Personal Skill" to describe Devil Style, so maybe those are the type of skills which are manifestations of the person themselves?

Here:

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Old 2013-02-14, 17:21   Link #12096
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I must be the only one who's pretty sure Zenkichi gave away Devil Style in exchange for his own version of the Altered God Mode through Shiranui's Real Eater
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Old 2013-02-14, 17:24   Link #12097
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I must be the only one who's pretty sure Zenkichi gave away Devil Style in exchange for his own version of the Altered God Mode through Shiranui's Real Eater
Impossible. Shiranui directly stated that she transformed Parasite Seeing from a skill that lets you perceive how others view the world to a skill that lets you perceive one's own limits: Model Zenkichi.

Probably because Parasite Seeing kinda became redundant for the Zenkichi after Anshin. He didn't really need a Plus to see the feelings of others anymore(not that he ever truly did, he always felt wrong using that skill).
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Old 2013-02-14, 17:30   Link #12098
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@Wolf: Your image link is 403 Forbidden.
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Old 2013-02-14, 17:33   Link #12099
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@Wolf: Your image link is 403 Forbidden.
Changed it. Mangareader dosen't appear in the United States, it seems.
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Old 2013-02-14, 17:36   Link #12100
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Impossible. Shiranui directly stated that she transformed Parasite Seeing from a skill that lets you perceive how others view the world to a skill that lets you perceive one's own limits: Model Zenkichi.

Probably because Parasite Seeing kinda became redundant for the Zenkichi after Anshin. He didn't really need a Plus to see the feelings of others anymore(not that he ever truly did, he always felt wrong using that skill).
In that case it's safe say Zen is the type who doesn't like to rely on his skills for long. It happened with Parasite Seeing, he only used it for really important matters. Taking that into account it's understandable why he wouldn't rely on Devil Style anymore after he used it to achieve the goal with which he really needed the skill.

And again is gonna be the same with the Contradictory Conjuction Style, he's only using it only one time and to achieve one really important goal. Because he needs it, he needs Nienami's style. If there were no need, he would not resort to it.
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