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Old 2013-02-15, 04:29   Link #12121
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What could possibly be more broken than Contradictory Conjunction in this manga?

Even the strongest character of all Hakoniwa Academy was humbled by it. Even a style-using Medaka could not reach that beast of a fusion, yet a shallow Contradictory Conjunction user seemingly did for quite a while.

Doctor Tsurubami gets cooler the more I think about, haha. The imagination this guy had to have. Too bad he was killed so early.
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Old 2013-02-15, 06:25   Link #12122
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What could possibly be more broken than Contradictory Conjunction in this manga?

Even the strongest character of all Hakoniwa Academy was humbled by it. Even a style-using Medaka could not reach that beast of a fusion, yet a shallow Contradictory Conjunction user seemingly did for quite a while.

Doctor Tsurubami gets cooler the more I think about, haha. The imagination this guy had to have. Too bad he was killed so early.
TBF it's not that broken since time stop would easily beat it (not much you can do if your dead before you can speak). It's mostly broken against villains since they tend monolougue or underestimate the heroes a lot.
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Old 2013-02-15, 06:32   Link #12123
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That's not how the style was shown to work. You don't actually need to speak anything.
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Old 2013-02-15, 06:35   Link #12124
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That's not how the style was shown to work. You don't actually need to speak anything.
It works by communication and use of the word therefore Iihiko showed it just this chapter, he stopped her mid sentence which stopped the style.
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Old 2013-02-15, 06:46   Link #12125
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What? Excuse me?

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Where is this supposed sentence that's being stopped? Please don't take me for a fool. I read the chapter, I know that the manga clearly shows that Yuzuhira wasn't speaking any sentences at all during that fight.

Not only that, but how do you suppose that she would be fightning equally with Iihiko is she had to utter a sentence to use the style when Iihiko is legions faster than her natural speed, as shown when he reacted to the new End God Mode?
Not to mention the fact that Nienami and Doctor Tsurubami never uttered any sentences with "therefore" during their respective battles.
Not to forget that Momo's style, and Sui's style clearly don't require verbal exchanges to be used(I think Mogura's and Yuzuhira's as well, but I'm not sure) .

Aside from that, you're thinking of this too much as being actually verbal. Zenkichi himself was feeling words inside of him in this chapter, communication isn't something that you have to always say, it has endless forms. Like empathy, which styles are all about.

Sorry, but the manga is very clear on this. I'd even go as far as to say that it's crystal clear.
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Old 2013-02-15, 09:12   Link #12126
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eh im not sure about you guys, but it sounded a lot to me that the voices(or at least most) that zenkichi couldnt identify sounded like something ajimu would say.
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Old 2013-02-15, 10:49   Link #12127
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If I had to guess, for the voices at the start:

"What are you doing, dying like that Zen-chan? Do you want to make me even more unhappy?"=Naze

"If you die here, it would be like you got killed long ago by my hand..."=Munakata

"Kekeke! In the end, that was your "justice"?"=Unzen

"Pathetic! And you still claim to be my superior, president Hitoyoshi?"=Torai

"It's alright! Even if you lose your life, you still have your hopes and dreams!"=Yojirou

"Don't worry! You're my beloved Hitoyoshi-kun, after all!"=Emukae

"Get a hold of yourself, Zenkichi-kun! Do you want me to train you into shape, once again?"=Maguro

"Your work as the assistant to that monster woman isn't over yet, don't let me down!"=Kanoya?

"What's the matter? You still haven't shown the true potential of a normal person, right?" =Nabeshima?

"Fight on, Hitoyoshi! It's not like you to be defeated here!"=Akune?

"It's so unpleasant to see you die outside the academy without even asking!!"=Onigase?

"Good grief, serves you right, Hitoyoshi-kun. Remember that virtuous authority you showed me when you sharply told me you'd win against Medaka-chan? Where has it gone now?"=Ajimu
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Old 2013-02-15, 14:03   Link #12128
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What could possibly be more broken than Contradictory Conjunction in this manga?

Even the strongest character of all Hakoniwa Academy was humbled by it. Even a style-using Medaka could not reach that beast of a fusion, yet a shallow Contradictory Conjunction user seemingly did for quite a while.

Doctor Tsurubami gets cooler the more I think about, haha. The imagination this guy had to have. Too bad he was killed so early.
Encounter, All Fiction, etc. Ajimu even had a skill on her list that had basically the same effect as Contradictory Conjunction ("win when the enemy is stronger than you"). Any of these would be completely unstoppable if they worked against Iihiko.

Medaka with a style means kind of nothing about the relative power of skills because her style was simply keeping her alive. And, well, she did beat Iihiko, he just switched bodies afterward and caught her off guard.
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Old 2013-02-15, 16:53   Link #12129
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And, well, she did beat Iihiko, he just switched bodies afterward and caught her off guard.
She beat him as much as her victory over Kumagawa in middle school was valid, which is to say not really...
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Old 2013-02-15, 16:56   Link #12130
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"What's the matter? You still haven't shown the true potential of a normal person, right?"
Dear goodness, I was wrecking my brain trying to think of who had said this one sentence!

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"Good grief, serves you right, Hitoyoshi-kun. Remember that virtuous authority you showed me when you sharply told me you'd win against Medaka-chan? Where has it gone now?"=Ajimu
To be honest, I think this one might've been Tsurubami.

I think it's a reference to when they met in the courtyard and talked about things, then Zenkichi told him he'd win the election.

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Encounter, All Fiction, etc. Ajimu even had a skill on her list that had basically the same effect as Contradictory Conjunction ("win when the enemy is stronger than you").
While that Ajimu skill sounds just as incredibly ridiculous, the style seems to be much more variable and can work to the same effect than any of the above at the same time.

I mean, damn. The possibilities I can think of for a sentence with "Therefore" in a fight are endless!

Doctor Tsurubami was godlike! A real OG.

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Medaka with a style means kind of nothing about the relative power of skills because her style was simply keeping her alive. And, well, she did beat Iihiko, he just switched bodies afterward and caught her off guard.
What I meant is that there are strata's in the natural power of styles. As we must not forget that only because of a style which attacks with vibrations was she then able to kill Iihiko.

Same attack which was stopped by a single finger of Shiranui!Iihiko. Same Shiranui!Iihiko who got a good scuffle from Yuzuhira.
Really impressive, when you think about it, that therefore paradox. But again, not like it dosen't have it's glaring weaknesses.

It just goes to show how "broken and overpowered this style is".
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Old 2013-02-15, 16:59   Link #12131
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Hmm, does anyone smell a Batman Gambit concocted by anyone? The only reason Zenkichi can really help in this situation is because of his connection to Shiranui, who is currently possessed by Ihiko. It seems that not even Medaka can permanently defeat Ihiko, so someone already knew that. Therefore, they predicted that Ihiko would transfer himself to Shiranui, allowing Zenkichi to step in to his major forte,
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Old 2013-02-15, 17:09   Link #12132
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Hmm, does anyone smell a Batman Gambit concocted by anyone?
This whole this was set up by Nienami, I swear.
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To be honest, I think this one might've been Tsurubami.
Bami only ever calls Zenkichi by his nickname.
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Old 2013-02-15, 17:10   Link #12133
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To be honest, I think this one might've been Tsurubami.

I think it's a reference to when they met in the courtyard and talked about things, then Zenkichi told him he'd win the election.
I don't think Tsurubami calls him Zenkichi-chan though

^sniped
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Old 2013-02-15, 17:13   Link #12134
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Hmmm.

Yeah, the fact that he dosen't appear later in the recollection when Zenkichi identifies the voices he was hearing before is a big indicator, too.

Because Ajimu appears, .

PS: I don't think the voice call him Zenkichi-chan, though.
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Old 2013-02-15, 17:20   Link #12135
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PS: I don't think the voice call him Zenkichi-chan, though.
Nah, Ajimu always called him "Hitoyoshi-kun", right? Which is why Nienami calling him the same was a big deal this chapter.
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Old 2013-02-15, 17:24   Link #12136
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Hmm, does anyone smell a Batman Gambit concocted by anyone? The only reason Zenkichi can really help in this situation is because of his connection to Shiranui, who is currently possessed by Ihiko. It seems that not even Medaka can permanently defeat Ihiko, so someone already knew that. Therefore, they predicted that Ihiko would transfer himself to Shiranui, allowing Zenkichi to step in to his major forte,
IMO everyone is dancing as per the tunes of Kajiki, he may have very well planned this out a long time ago. Remember near the end of JBL he said something along the lines of "We will break through his (Fukurou's) plan too."
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Old 2013-02-15, 17:24   Link #12137
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Nah, Ajimu always called him "Hitoyoshi-kun", right? Which is why Nienami calling him the same was a big deal this chapter.
Yeah, interestingly enough, that's what the voice called him.

Although, to me, it's just a Nienami troll . Nishio has to slide in some quips to make you think only to shatter your expectations later.

It is pretty telling, though.

*First few pages she refers to him as Hitoyoshi*

*Suddenly changes to Hitoyoshi-kun*
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Also, I pointed this out before, but Ajimu's speech bubbles aren't all echo-y.
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Old 2013-02-16, 08:15   Link #12139
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To be honest, I think this one might've been Tsurubami.
The one talking about Zenkichi's resolution to win against Medaka is Ajimu, as she's using her usual speech pattern.

"What's the matter? You still haven't shown the true potential of a normal person, right?"
And this is indeed Nabeshima, as she's speaking in Kansai-ben.
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Old 2013-02-19, 13:29   Link #12140
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Spoilers are out, anyway, any idea about when volume 7 comes out for this or whether its already out since I'm wondering how the rest of the popularity poll results went.
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