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Old 2013-02-24, 09:51   Link #281
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Well, it can't be helped. When two girls in school become more than friends it just gets brushed off as being a phase that will pass - or even practice to become good wives for their husbands
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Old 2013-02-24, 10:13   Link #282
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I see such tendencies just as I see honor killings, female infanticide and sati.

Part of the culture now, yes, but will be evolved (yes, evolved) out of eventually.
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Old 2013-02-24, 10:16   Link #283
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Not every anime relationship needs to be sexualized.
But where would be the fun, then?

Though I concede you that there's at least one kind of relationship which shouldn't be sexualized: guytoguy.

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Pointless fanservice
Here we go with this old-non-sensical mantra again... Just because you don't get the point doesn't necessarily mean it's pointless.

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Can you blame them, seeing that most of the time the more innovative work doesn't seem to pay off? Like the disc sales of the recent Shin Sekai Yori are doing horribly
I don't know. I've only seen part of the promotional material and, frankly, it looked horrible. So I guess the old adage "You reap what you sow" applies fairly well in this case overall.
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Old 2013-02-24, 10:28   Link #284
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But where would be the fun, then?

Though I concede you that there's at least one kind of relationship which shouldn't be sexualized: guytoguy.
You're homophobic?

How dare you say guy on guy cannot love each other, but lesbianism is okay?

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Old 2013-02-24, 10:32   Link #285
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Well, it can't be helped. When two girls in school become more than friends it just gets brushed off as being a phase that will pass - or even practice to become good wives for their husbands
These people just want the 'smexy girl on girl' action without the consequences of them not being interested in males - thus the fans.
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Old 2013-02-24, 10:32   Link #286
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But where would be the fun, then?

Though I concede you that there's at least one kind of relationship which shouldn't be sexualized: guytoguy.
It's hard to read people sometimes on the Internet so I hope you are kidding.

Because basically what you are saying is if it appeals to me it is alright but everything else is not.



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Here we go with this old-non-sensical mantra again... Just because you don't get the point doesn't necessarily mean it's pointless.
Please explain to me besides "turning viewers on" what exactly is the point of fan service?

Whatever I tolerate a little fanservice, but as a woman I find most of it degrading.
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Old 2013-02-24, 10:37   Link #287
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I like fanservice, but if there's so much that it distracts from the story (example: Bakemonogatari and friends), then I don't care who's involved, I can't take it. I start feeling like I'm being treated like an idiot with a cock for a brain.

When I want slight titillation along with a decent story, I'll look for ecchi. If I want to turn my brain off and look at pr0n, then I'll look for hentai. I really hate when series straddle the line between ecchi and hentai, I'm like just pick one already.
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Old 2013-02-24, 10:44   Link #288
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You're homophobic?
Nah, they're fine. Just not a fan of them in my entertainment. And since entertainment is supposed to entertain me...

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Because basically what you are saying is if it appeals to me it is alright but everything else is not.
Sort of. Mind you, I'm not saying "guy2guy" relationships shouldn't be represented in art at all, just not in a medium that's supposedly geared towards the average male viewer, like anime is.

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Please explain to me besides "turning viewers on" what exactly is the point of fan service?
Oh, look. You just admitted it has a point...
No matter how shallow, a point is still a point.
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Old 2013-02-24, 10:46   Link #289
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I like fanservice, but if there's so much that it distracts from the story (example: Bakemonogatari and friends), then I don't care who's involved, I can't take it. I start feeling like I'm being treated like an idiot with a cock for a brain.

When I want slight titillation along with a decent story, I'll look for ecchi. If I want to turn my brain off and look at pr0n, then I'll look for hentai. I really hate when series straddle the line between ecchi and hentai, I'm like just pick one already.
Don't worry I am not judging anyone who likes a little fan service as long as they are honest about what it is.

I mean I might like a bishounen or a hot guy too (like in psycho pass I highly enjoyed the scene with Kougami with his shirt off ) and that's its own type of fanservice.

But yeah sometimes there is a bit too much fanservice in anime/manga whether it is for women or men. You shouldn't need fanservice to sell your product, the story & characters should do that.
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Old 2013-02-24, 17:09   Link #290
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some cliches in romcom tend to annoy the heck of me. I absolutely get angry and annoyed when the male character does something, like accidentally falls on a girl or, in some case grabs her boobs and a second female character sees it and totally misunderstands the situation and make assumptions without even thinking twice and what makes me even more ticked off about this kind of thing is the girl he grabbed is too slow to explain the whole story sooner. I mean seriously whats with these romcoms that have this sort of thing? It makes the girl seem like an idiot and makes the main character look bad.
Absolutely. Which is part of the reason why I found a certain scene in School Rumble so utterly hilarious. (In short, the male lead was wandering around his room naked looking for his swimming-trunks, when a girl came in, he panicked and did some stuff that he immediately realized made him look like a rapist... Then another girl enters the room, looks at them for a second, before accurately describing the entire chain of events that led them to that point.)

Relatedly, guy walks in on a girl changing clothes/accidentally touches her inappropriately/other perverted situation that very clearly wasn't his fault -> The girl punches him in the face.

Oh, and serious stories where the animators put far more effort into making the female characters look sexy than anything else in the show.


...On the whole, I suppose I just really dislike fanservice-tropes that are more blatant than "Girls wearing slightly revealing outfits that are still not entirely unreasonable within the context of the setting".
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Old 2013-02-24, 21:10   Link #291
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One thing that I have always disliked about anime is the level of fan service for certain animes because the way women are portrayed in those scenes seem to give the impression that they are defenceless/weak. I don't mind them because I sometimes LOL at those antics, but the timing and frequency are important. Timing has to be right for comedic purpose, and the frequency has to be right as well so that I won't develop "immunity" to those scenes which would lead to less laughter.

But you know what? I am not going to judge anyone who likes female fan service, cause I like male fan service myself, and if I were to judge that would make me a giant hypocrite, haha.
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Old 2013-02-24, 21:14   Link #292
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Can you blame them, seeing that most of the time the more innovative work doesn't seem to pay off? Like the disc sales of the recent Shin Sekai Yori are doing horribly
SSY just had horrible timing. It faced the newest Urobuchi, Jojo and, most surprising because no sane man can explain it, Girls Und Panzer. All of them three appealed to wider bases.
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Old 2013-02-24, 21:22   Link #293
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The whole incest trend that seems to be going on a lot right now.


It's not funny, Japan. Not funny at all.



Otherwise....I mean there's certain things that I'm not crazy about, but hey we all like what we like.
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Old 2013-02-24, 22:35   Link #294
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Then they should stop this trend in VN and so on.

Incest does not bother me in anime and it used to be norm a back in old days (real life) but anime is really starting to get it over board especially when it comes to unrequited love. I just find it as a lack of imagination on authors part.

And in comedic parts it sometimes makes you go "Really?". The best example right now would be grandpa from Kotoura-san. Like the guy but that little detail was pretty unnecessary, why not have young maids instead?

He would still be a perv yet a proper grandpa to his grand daughter.
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Old 2013-02-24, 22:41   Link #295
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When anime episodes end at 11 they cant just make 1 more ova or something
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Old 2013-02-25, 03:15   Link #296
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^ THAT. I hate the 'fanservice yuri'. "These two girls are really close friends. They grope each other and kiss, but they're not lesbians. They talk about marrying each other, but they are definitely not lesbians. Isn't that cute? They think girls can actually have relationship with each other. But soon enough they will grow into adults, have real relationship with guys, marry and take care of their thirteen children while making their husband a sandwich." FUUU
It's a fantasy to satisfy us men. Saying that it represents lesbians in real life is sh*t. I have no hate to gays in real, its the way anime portraits them that is pretty irritating to see...

Yuri is pure fantasy to satisfy men's gratification in seeing two girls flirting and eating with each other *drool yeah, thanks... anyway...

Why they are not called lesbians though they're doing it? It's called denial. Same as porn stars denying they're gay or bi...

Oh, another thing that applies to yaoi as well... as if they're not catered to women...

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Old 2013-02-25, 04:56   Link #297
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The whole incest trend that seems to be going on a lot right now.


It's not funny, Japan. Not funny at all.
Agreed. Fortunately I feel like that bubble died as quickly as it appeared. Also I give a pass to Oreimo for being very good, and I only include that because I feel like deep down the sister likes her brother a bit too much (or at the very least she should stop demanding he play naughty dating sims with her).

The "whisked away" story has gotten very old. I'm tired of the story being characters that get sucked away into a new world and thrown in over their heads. I made the mistake of running through a list of some anime that will be airing in the next few months, and was sad to see that there's still so many of these. Though I was pleasantly surprised to find one show that seems to have the opposite going in that the character is whisked away to a peaceful place, and maybe it'll be a good show!

Look, I get it. It's what every anime viewer or manga reader has thought at least once in their life. "Wouldn't it be cool if I were whisked away into another world and became the 'chosen one' destined for fame and glory?" There's better things to do though. At the very least, I'd like to see some genuinely creative approaches to these stories.
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Old 2013-02-25, 05:02   Link #298
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The whole incest trend that seems to be going on a lot right now.


It's not funny, Japan. Not funny at all.
I think its because non blood related siblings could really marry each other....
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Old 2013-02-25, 05:09   Link #299
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The whole incest trend that seems to be going on a lot right now.


It's not funny, Japan. Not funny at all.



Otherwise....I mean there's certain things that I'm not crazy about, but hey we all like what we like.
I bet it's Oreimo that started this incest trend of our new generation, but I'm recently sick of non-blood related little sisters' plot device. I mean, we need more blood-related little sisters, but Japan is seriously in a bad light.
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Old 2013-02-25, 05:09   Link #300
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Because, well, marrying blood siblings is still taboo or illegal, at least in Japan? And in what other way can you feature incest without making it necessarily incestous?

Making them non-related, of course.
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