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Lunarskylar · 2013-02-26, 03:50

I don't think brain damage no jutsu can be reversed that easily.. so i don't see much hope for obito, unless hashirama reveals the cure

Since tobirama and hashirama were talking about his "cells" as well as the reason for hashirama's death still being unclear... (hopefully this hasn't already been mentioned) but I think hashirama was a senju science experiment from the get go, and he died prematurely

**Hunter** · 2013-02-26, 09:58

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Originally Posted by Dengar

Naruto isn't really good at "everything". He seems predisposed to jutsu that favor power over complexity. Then makes up for that by planning his moves.

Rasengan and its Fuuton versions are the most complex shape manipulation to date in this manga and while Naruto technically can't do them on his own it doesn't matter for the same reason as always : Kage Bunshin and/or Kyubi chakra.
There is nothing too powerful thanks to Kurama, nothing too complex thanks to additional pairs of arms and nothing too long thanks KB training and lately virtual instant mastery over any and everything.

Dengar · 2013-02-26, 10:34

I have not yet looked at it that way, and I understand your viewpoint, but I don't think Rasengan is actually "complex" and more like "tough to do". I mean, all it entails is focusing explosive power into one point without it actually exploding. That's not complex. Just ludicrously difficult. There's not even any hand gestures involved. However, only someone with abnormal determination like Naruto can pull it off.

I will immediately admit however that being all buddy-buddy with Kurama opens up a LOT of possibilities. And I never said that this was it for Naruto's growth. I just said that he should stick to jutsu that are up his alley, and not try to learn EVERYTHING.

MeroBAKA · 2013-02-26, 13:05

Will there be any genjutsu during that battle between Hashirama and Madara?
If that is really sage-mode, I suppose that he learned it from the slugs, since Tsunade was also friend with slugs. Looks also like the release techniques of Tsunade. I remember Madara saying that Tsunade's heal/release techniques was nothing compared to Hashirama's.
I wonder if Hashirama used any tailed beast during the fight. I think it was said that he distributed tailed beasts to different villages, so maybe he still had some during the fight.
It was said as well his wife helped him to capture Kyuubi. I wonder what excatly will happen on that matter. Hard to imagine she will arrive on the battlefield.

When the manga is over I hope to read a version of the manga in the chronological order. Not too complicated, but very long to sort the pages and edit some. It would certainly put a different perspective on the story.

**james0246** · 2013-02-27, 00:25

Chapter 622 thread has been started. Please move all relevant discusions to the new thread.

2013-02-26, 03:50	Link #161
Lunarskylar Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Dark Side of The Moon	I don't think brain damage no jutsu can be reversed that easily.. so i don't see much hope for obito, unless hashirama reveals the cure Since tobirama and hashirama were talking about his "cells" as well as the reason for hashirama's death still being unclear... (hopefully this hasn't already been mentioned) but I think hashirama was a senju science experiment from the get go, and he died prematurely __________________

2013-02-26, 10:34	Link #163
Dengar Kamen Rider Muppeteer Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Unknown Age: 28	I have not yet looked at it that way, and I understand your viewpoint, but I don't think Rasengan is actually "complex" and more like "tough to do". I mean, all it entails is focusing explosive power into one point without it actually exploding. That's not complex. Just ludicrously difficult. There's not even any hand gestures involved. However, only someone with abnormal determination like Naruto can pull it off. I will immediately admit however that being all buddy-buddy with Kurama opens up a LOT of possibilities. And I never said that this was it for Naruto's growth. I just said that he should stick to jutsu that are up his alley, and not try to learn EVERYTHING.

2013-02-26, 13:05	Link #164
MeroBAKA Member Join Date: May 2011	Will there be any genjutsu during that battle between Hashirama and Madara? If that is really sage-mode, I suppose that he learned it from the slugs, since Tsunade was also friend with slugs. Looks also like the release techniques of Tsunade. I remember Madara saying that Tsunade's heal/release techniques was nothing compared to Hashirama's. I wonder if Hashirama used any tailed beast during the fight. I think it was said that he distributed tailed beasts to different villages, so maybe he still had some during the fight. It was said as well his wife helped him to capture Kyuubi. I wonder what excatly will happen on that matter. Hard to imagine she will arrive on the battlefield. When the manga is over I hope to read a version of the manga in the chronological order. Not too complicated, but very long to sort the pages and edit some. It would certainly put a different perspective on the story.

2013-02-27, 00:25	Link #165
james0246 Senior Member Moderator Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: East Cupcake	Chapter 622 thread has been started. Please move all relevant discusions to the new thread.