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Old 2013-02-22, 21:31   Link #12261
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^The Jet Black Fest started with Zenkich taking the spothlight while Medaka stayed in the sidelines till the very end of the arc. In this arc it happened all the opposite.
IMHO This is not true. He made important - admitted Medaka in love.
Thereafter win the battle only a technical problem.
As in each arc - he did what Medaka could not do myself.
For a variety of reasons.
I think the purpose of the manga show how strong pair Zen + Medaka.
It would be foolish to oppose them - they complement each other.
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Old 2013-02-22, 23:11   Link #12262
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IMHO This is not true. He made important - admitted Medaka in love.
Thereafter win the battle only a technical problem.
As in each arc - he did what Medaka could not do myself.
For a variety of reasons.
I think the purpose of the manga show how strong pair Zen + Medaka.
It would be foolish to oppose them - they complement each other.
Haha. The kind of narrative that exists only to portray "look how awesome/correct/powerful this [insert idealized concept/moral/character] is" is the most completely basic/shallow form of fiction possible, because by nature in the end all fiction is nothing but the conveniences of an author. I believe Nishio is better than that; a brainless, black and white, self-promoting narrative doesn't fit into his post-modern sensibilities.

The kind of story you are describing ("look how strong [etc.] is!") is the stuff of archaic, small-minded, ancient literature. Nowadays you will only find that kind of story being written in the realm of trashy escapist fantasies like fanfiction. There is no difference between a story which says "Medaka is the strongest" or "the pair of Medaka and Zenkichi is the strongest"--either would just be a trashy narrative about some kind of "Mary Sue".


Anyway, the point of Medaka as a character is to show people the mindset of somebody a bit higher-minded. Although realistically speaking, her ideals, goals, and expectations ask a bit too much of normal people, by recognizing Medaka as human we come to realize that those ideals/goals/expectations might actually not be impossible. Medaka basically represents ambition; being greedy about the potential of both yourself and humanity.

Yes, Medaka is important as a point of reference for Zen's story (not blaming others/accepting your own mediocrity; trying hard/believing in yourself anyway). But she also acts independently as a point of reference for anybody in general. Most of the beliefs/ideas/attitudes Medaka holds, regardless of being unrealistic a lot of the time, are nonetheless very interesting.
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Old 2013-02-23, 01:23   Link #12263
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You mean something like Zenkichi expires due to time limit. Then Fukurou does something ridiculous etc. etc. and takes Shiranui anyway, hence she is no longer saved. (Rendering Zenkichi's battle meaningless)
Oh, before that, Fukuro also reveals that he could have defeated Iihiko anytime and just watched for some random cooked up reason.(completing the meaninglessness)
Then Medaka uses a new Super mode, Beginning God Mode and saves not only Shiranui, not only saves the rest, but also saves Fukurou and Iihiko as well, and converts them to boot.

Sounds like ridiculous fan-fiction, eh, but i wont be surprised one bit if somthing similar happens which renders the present chapter completely worthless
Please don't jinx it. .
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Old 2013-02-23, 01:40   Link #12264
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Please don't jinx it. .
Only time will tell.
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Old 2013-02-23, 01:44   Link #12265
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I will probably stop reading the manga if Nishio actually manages to ruin the chapter 182-183 sequence. .

I don't know how he'd do it, because this shit was beyond awesome, but hey, he's done it before.
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Old 2013-02-23, 05:28   Link #12266
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Now that Iihiko's gone... is/are the effects of his unhealable or whatnot destruction gone as well? really really want to see Ajimu alive again...
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Old 2013-02-23, 08:20   Link #12267
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I like manga so as is (in general). The only thing I do not like a lot of battles.
And I do not accept any a bad ending.

In general. I just opposing one (frequent) thoughts. On this forum.
How weak Zen. How strong Medaka. I just think they are senseless opposition (Medaka vs Zen).
They're like Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard. HP. Medaka-Zen. MZ
Given that they are not just friends, but also a man and a girl, who love each other.
I will be very happy if in last chapter of this arc appears that all the original plan of Medaka.
All as planned. It's win for me.
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Old 2013-02-23, 10:34   Link #12268
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Now that Iihiko's gone... is/are the effects of his unhealable or whatnot destruction gone as well? really really want to see Ajimu alive again...
I feel that pulling that would really cheapen everything that's happened up until this point, personally.
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Old 2013-02-23, 11:30   Link #12269
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Fukuro also reveals that he could have defeated Iihiko anytime and just watched for some random cooked up reason.(completing the meaninglessness)
I've been thinking about what Fukurou's new Style could be. The Kanji on the tongue always relates to the Style itself.

Misconversion Style/ Kanji for "Error/Mistake"
Label Style/Kanji for "Name"
Nursery Rhyme Style/Kanji for "Childhood"
Provocation Style/Kanji for "Challenge"

The Kanji on Fukurou's tongue means "To leave behind" or "To bequeath"

And I thought, maybe his new style lets him jump from one body to another like IIhiko does. Maybe he "leaves his body behind. What better way to stoy the undying hero who survives by putting his conciousness into a new body, then to take control of his body before he has a chance to make the switch.

What does you guys think?
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Old 2013-02-23, 11:43   Link #12270
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What does you guys think?
It's not really advantageous for him to jump into the body of anyone present, as everybody is either dead, dying, or Nienami.
I can see him body-hopping into one of the other suitors or something though... I feel like we didn't see enough of some of them.
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Old 2013-02-23, 11:44   Link #12271
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Nope. From how it looks, Fukurou had been grinning like this since before Iihiko possessed Shiranui.
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Old 2013-02-24, 15:25   Link #12272
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They will wait until the nurse recovers and she will return everybody (even the dead) to the physical state before being beaten by Iithiko (and then the Doctor that was cut in half will kill her, since that ability is to broken to continue existing).
The effect of her singing is only temporary.

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Now that Iihiko's gone... is/are the effects of his unhealable or whatnot destruction gone as well? really really want to see Ajimu alive again...
I think yes, its the natural (and usual way) of progression after someone with an ability like that dies.
I also think Ajimu was never truly dead.
We were shown proof that she used to be an incorperal being so it is easy to think she might have returned to that state and can create a new body for herself.
Another thing is, as someone else already pointed out, that Niemitami could have never known that Ajimu had white hair.
Another good hint that she is still there somehow is that she does not only appear on every thrid page after her deaths, but is also highlighted several times.
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Old 2013-02-25, 02:26   Link #12273
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Nope. From how it looks, Fukurou had been grinning like this since before Iihiko possessed Shiranui.
Eh, maybe it's purely symbolic due to the situation(2/3 of the cast is going to be left behind). But I don't know if Nishio would do something like that...

There's still that unknown style Fukurou was vaunting about, too.
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Old 2013-02-26, 09:06   Link #12274
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Old 2013-02-26, 10:21   Link #12275
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Old 2013-02-26, 10:30   Link #12276
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Non-google translation that I found:

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. I can't believe Nishio went with such a huge cop-out.
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Old 2013-02-26, 10:37   Link #12277
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Old 2013-02-26, 10:55   Link #12278
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If the events of this chapter are the above ones, then the next arc is shaping up to be AWESOME.

Even if the chapter it'self sounds incredibly boring.

Still, though. The obvious cop-out? For shame, Nishio. For shame.

Also, Thth, Kaisos, I tip my hat to you guys's powers of foresight. They truly are greater than my own.
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Old 2013-02-26, 11:00   Link #12279
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If the events of this chapter are the above ones, then the next arc is shaping up to be AWESOME.

Even if the chapter it'self sounds incredibly boring.

Still, though. The obvious cop-out? For shame, Nishio. For shame.
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