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Old 2012-07-09, 12:34   Link #101
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It would be quite hard for China to invade the United States, well because we are across the ocean. Unless, they tried to do something with Mexico or Canada with their own Zimmerman Telegram, highly unlikely they will have a safe landing on foot in U.S. soil. United States have many allies near China and in multiple directions. War is unlikely between the two because one the economy and they know the risks of what may happen.
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Old 2012-07-09, 12:35   Link #102
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I think it's more to do with what they get out of it. It doesn't matter what situation they are in. In starcraft analogy, it's like a 1v1 and every other country in the world is a free expansion. Fight over/Mine out the expansions and the main base will naturally starve.
There is always the moon. *sarcastic*
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Old 2012-07-09, 12:46   Link #103
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There is always the moon. *sarcastic*
Then they'll fight for the moon?
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Old 2012-07-09, 12:48   Link #104
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Then they'll fight for the moon?
Well human beings are known to fight over almost everything.
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Old 2012-07-09, 12:49   Link #105
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Well human beings are known to fight over almost everything.
Now were talking!!!!

By the way a quote from RTW.

"Necessity knows no law except to conquer." -Publilius Syrus
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Old 2012-07-09, 12:50   Link #106
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Well human beings are known to fight over almost everything.
No we don't, you take that back right now!

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Old 2012-07-09, 13:27   Link #107
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No we don't, you take that back right now!
I'll take it if he's not taking it back.

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Old 2012-07-09, 14:14   Link #108
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There is always the moon. *sarcastic*
Sarcasm aside, it has been common knowledge for decades that a cannon in the moon would make actual WMD look like firecrackers, just remember what a piece of rock did for the dinosaurs.
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Old 2012-07-09, 14:27   Link #109
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Sarcasm aside, it has been common knowledge for decades that a cannon in the moon would make actual WMD look like firecrackers, just remember what a piece of rock did for the dinosaurs.
Fap..Fap...It would be a great achievement, allowing humanity to kill itself 43.59% more efficiently! Seriously though, it would be cool having a mass drivers like that on earth and on the moon, though not for military use (which it inevitably would be in the case of war). It's probably easier than building a space elevator...though much grander in scale. Me think's that if the cargo was non-living, we could get away with a 1km or less long driver, probably in a mountain somewhere, trailing underground obviously.
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Old 2012-07-14, 17:56   Link #110
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"If few members of the public can remember White Horse, fewer still can recall
that the Korean crisis produced Harry Trumanís Proclamation 2914, apparently
the only time since the since the Civil War that a state of emergency has been
declared in the US.

During the Watergate scandal which erupted in the 1970s after President
Richard Nixon authorized a variety of illegal acts, Congress investigated the
extent of the Presidentís powers and belatedly realized that the U.S. had been in
a continuous state of emergency since 1950.

Proclamation 2914 stayed on the books so long that ironically, President George
W. Bush was still rescinding the last aspects of Proclamation 2914 as late as
2008."

See:

http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/.../14/sanctuary/


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Old 2013-02-28, 23:32   Link #111
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"The refugees report that most North Koreans understand that the police state
up there is strong enough to suppress any uprising now or in the foreseeable
future and that the only real threat to the dictatorship is intervention (openly or
via a coup) by China. Refugees also report that itís common knowledge that
hundreds of North Koreans have died of radiation poisoning or been born with
birth defects because of the uranium mining and working with nuclear materials.
The government has responded by offering large cash bonuses to those who will
work in the uranium mines. The refugees report in detail many other ways the
Kim government abuses their subjects.

North Korea has apparently told China that it is planning one or two additional
nuclear weapons tests this year. This indicates that the February 12th test was a
success and that a few more will enable North Korea to perfect their design, and
then sell it to Iran (and anyone else willing to pay) for a lot of money. China
knows this and the Chinese leadership are unsure how they should proceed.
They could order a coup in North Korea, to replace the Kim family with a pro-China
group. But this is not a sure thing, as the Kim clan has been aware of China
cultivating members of the leadership over the last decade. There are periodic
purges of senior officials, sometimes accompanied by a death sentence. If a
Chinese sponsored coup attempt fails, then China has to choose between
military intervention or dealing with an even more hostile and unpredictable
neighbor. The North Korean nuclear program is also causing popular unrest inside
China. The Internet reaction, despite government censorship, was very negative,
and there were even some unauthorized demonstrations (usually at large public
festivities where the protestors can do this sort of thing and avoid arrest) against
the North Korean nukes."

See:

http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/kore.../20130228.aspx
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Old 2013-02-28, 23:37   Link #112
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The Chinese either have to deal with it themselves, or engineer a way to get the Western powers to deal with it for them, and then protest bloody murder until they get what they want (a Chinese friendly North Korea that won't bark at the US, South Korea, and Japan every month without China's say so).
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Old 2013-02-28, 23:48   Link #113
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Very good find, AnimeFan188.

At least, we have the good news about the young generation that's coming of age and that will become even more hostile towards the regime as time goes by. As the article says, it's with the old folks that things are more problematic in hopes of a change. But we have seen this in many countries before and the youth usually find ways to get their point across sooner or later.

edit: how come I haven't seen this thread before?
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Old 2013-03-01, 00:17   Link #114
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At least, we have the good news about the young generation that's coming of age and that will become even more hostile towards the regime as time goes by. As the article says, it's with the old folks that things are more problematic in hopes of a change. But we have seen this in many countries before and the youth usually find ways to get their point across sooner or later.
You could hardly be more wrong. The "young" you speak of are those that had been already written off by the DPRK as politically unreliable. What makes you think their thoughts would be any different from what was before? The loyal third of the country will stay loyal except for the Chinese puppets.


Basically, DPRK has been able to achieve 1984.
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Old 2013-03-01, 11:49   Link #115
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You could hardly be more wrong. The "young" you speak of are those that had been already written off by the DPRK as politically unreliable. What makes you think their thoughts would be any different from what was before? The loyal third of the country will stay loyal except for the Chinese puppets.


Basically, DPRK has been able to achieve 1984.

Really? 1984? I am no fan of NK, but calling it "achieving 1984" is pretty much a gross misstatement. No country in the world, not event mao's China, Hitler's Germany or Stalin's USSR ever came close to 1984. It is pre-Deng-China, somewhere stuck in the 1970s.
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Old 2013-03-01, 12:05   Link #116
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Really? 1984? I am no fan of NK, but calling it "achieving 1984" is pretty much a gross misstatement.
Oh, North Korea has definitely reached near that far enough.
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Old 2013-03-01, 12:17   Link #117
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It depends on how extreme you judge the world of 1984 to be. I'd say that Orwell did a decent job in depicting the atmosphere and nature of Communist totalitarian states. Stalin/Mao/Kim = Big Brother, CPSU/CCP/KWP = Party or Inner Party. The issue is whether or not to believe Orwell when he (speaking through O'brien to Winston) claims that the party's power is indeed stable to the point of being immortal. There are also certain details like telescreens being literally in everyone's home, which you can say no real life country has achieved but that's more of a symbolic thing. It is no the telescreens themselves which are important, but the feeling that everything you do might be seen, that you are constantly being scrutinized.

More to the point about North Korea. I have heard that there are defectors, who, even after escaping and ending up in the much more prosperous ROK, still respect Kim Il Sung greatly. That's pretty Orwellian.
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Old 2013-03-01, 12:20   Link #118
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Oh, North Korea has definitely reached near that far enough.
They would actually need a TV and spy camera in every house. TBH, they wouldn't be able to monitor it all.

And there are thousands of thumbdrives and hard-drives smuggled into the country all the time, as well as a blackmarket with China and South Korea.
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Old 2013-03-01, 12:28   Link #119
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They would actually need a TV and spy camera in every house. TBH, they wouldn't be able to monitor it all.

And there are thousands of thumbdrives and hard-drives smuggled into the country all the time, as well as a blackmarket with China and South Korea.
We don't simply make comparison with fictional entity without keeping in mind how much of that the laws of The Real World would permit. Even with that considered, you can't conclude at anything other then The Kim Dynasty has achieved fabulous success in that regard.
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Old 2013-03-01, 12:34   Link #120
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It depends on how extreme you judge the world of 1984 to be. I'd say that Orwell did a decent job in depicting the atmosphere and nature of Communist totalitarian states. Stalin/Mao/Kim = Big Brother, CPSU/CCP/KWP = Party or Inner Party. The issue is whether or not to believe Orwell when he (speaking through O'brien to Winston) claims that the party's power is indeed stable to the point of being immortal. There are also certain details like telescreens being literally in everyone's home, which you can say no real life country has achieved but that's more of a symbolic thing. It is no the telescreens themselves which are important, but the feeling that everything you do might be seen, that you are constantly being scrutinized.

More to the point about North Korea. I have heard that there are defectors, who, even after escaping and ending up in the much more prosperous ROK, still respect Kim Il Sung greatly. That's pretty Orwellian.
Kim Il Sung is the grandfather right? Well, tbh, founder of any nation will be clouded in myth and power.

Mao is still glossed over his great leap forward that killed millions.

Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner.

George Washington killed thousands of Indians.

Simon Bolivar tried to turn his country into a dictatorship.

I am sure if I dig harder, most founders of their countries probably have a ton of skeletons in their closet. It come with the job.
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