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Old 2006-01-25, 00:01   Link #281
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Did I somehow give the impression that I thought Asuta was somehow interested in Hazumu pregirl? Sorry if that's how it came across. "I loved you before so I still love you" refers exclusively to Tomari and Yasuna. Asuta is the annoying "you were my best friend but now you're stacked" character. As I said, given a full, legitimate transformation, I too would have trouble with my best friend becoming a gorgeous babe. It just seems so annoying for the guy to just suddenly change his viewpoint.
I must admit, though, it's less annoying than many male romantic/comedic characters. So many of them end up repeating stupid mantras to try(unsuccessfully) to hold themselves back, like "might be a relative...mightbearelative/which one is a relative?!"(Onegai Twins' Maiku) or "She's the same age as Nina, same age as Nina..."(Sergey Wang). At least he's not beating himself up for ten to fifteen episodes.
Why does everyone say Asuta's the center of a harem? In harem situations you've got several characters halfway in love with one. We've got that, but Asuta's the comic relief, not the center. He's the one that's always trying to claim the main character only to be knocked out or worse by another. I must admit, this is the first time I've seen a harem where one girl has one guy and several girls after her. Not exactly Love Hina...
As to the yuri question(MORE MANGA), I do recall that Tomari never admitted her love for Hazumu until a beach chapter, at which point she specifically told Yasuna "I'm in love with HER." At the very least, they were trying to encourage that crowd.
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Old 2006-01-25, 00:01   Link #282
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While we're on the yuri topic, I'm interested to know what kind of situation would classify as yuri for you:

Though it may seem a bit pointless, I'm interested to see where people draw the line...

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Scenario 1:

Hazumu and group go their separate ways...

10 years later, she meets some random lady and falls in love with her...

Yuri or not yuri?

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Scenario 2:

Hazumu and group go their separate ways...

10 years later, she meets Tomari and falls in love with her...

Yuri or not yuri?

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Scenario 3:

Hazumu and group go their separate ways...

10 years later, she meets Yasuna and falls in love with her...

Yuri or not yuri?

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Scenario 4:

Hazumu gets used to being a girl, and eventually falls in love with Tomari...

Yuri?

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Scenario 5:

Hazumu gets over her previous feelings for Yasuna.... but later develops feelings for her again.

Yuri?

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Scenario 6:

Hazumu can't get over her previous feelings for Yasuna, and they fall in love.

Yuri?


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Old 2006-01-25, 00:30   Link #283
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If one of the central relationships is a girl who is clearly focused on another girl, whether she's got a male chasing her(Kannadzuki no Miko), or there's no appearance of true romance(MariMite), it's yuri. Minor suggestions meant to tease the crowd(like Nanoha) don't count, nor minor characters(like Shizuru of My-HiME). Friendship doesn't count either(I've seen a few things about Sakura and Ino...).
Personally, I think that to be called "yuri", it has to fulfill one of two requirements:
- One of the primary, central conflicts of the plot is centered on one major female character's romantic to semi-romantic interests in another major female.
- Much of the story is centered in an environment where girl-girl relationships are so prevalent that interest in a boy seems abnormal(That is, an environment like in OTOME, what Nao refers to as the "Garden of Virgins")

This is just my opinion. I say this show fits the bill. And so, in the words of Pellissier,
Wow! Let's Yuri!
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Old 2006-01-25, 00:48   Link #284
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DA/TT has it wrong "omoi, mune no naka ni" is not my breasts are heavy. 重い is the omoi for heavy, but this isn't what Hazumu is referring to here. 思い is the omoi for feelings, which is the omoi Hazumu is using in this case. "mune no naka ni" is "inside my chest" then literally. In this context though the statement would be: "Feelings in my heart." (Mune can mean breast, chest, or heart depending on the context of the sentence)
I personally think it's a pun the show used. You can translate it to both "My breats are heavy" or "Feeling, inside my heart", which are both correct. I'd personally go for "It's heavy, inside my chest", because you can still kind of leave the pun.
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Old 2006-01-25, 03:07   Link #285
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I personally think it's a pun the show used. You can translate it to both "My breats are heavy" or "Feeling, inside my heart", which are both correct. I'd personally go for "It's heavy, inside my chest", because you can still kind of leave the pun.
I suppose it might be workable into 重い胸の中に vs. 想い、胸の中に, but due to the way she says it and the context, the latter should be the intended primary meaning if there is a pun.
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Old 2006-01-25, 04:11   Link #286
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Old 2006-01-25, 06:02   Link #287
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Old 2006-01-25, 06:12   Link #288
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Old 2006-01-25, 11:04   Link #289
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Old 2006-01-25, 11:31   Link #290
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alright, im having a small dilema here...
just which fansub is better?

D-A & Tomari or knkf & Doremi?

and if there are any more fansub groups going to sub this anime?
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Old 2006-01-25, 11:43   Link #291
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WOW...

And here I thought the discussionthread for this anime would be more innocent. And here it's yuri this and yuri that... O.o
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Old 2006-01-25, 11:52   Link #292
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WOW...

And here I thought the discussionthread for this anime would be more innocent. And here it's yuri this and yuri that... O.o
Yes, and it's not even real yuri to boot.
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Old 2006-01-25, 12:38   Link #293
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CaiSter21: i would recommend knkf/doremi ... but i'm slightly biased since i loved knkf's translation of Shuffle and love Doremis translation of Mai-Otome
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Old 2006-01-25, 12:49   Link #294
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Yes, and it's not even real yuri to boot.
Plus, it's somewhat scary the interest that this anime is raising.
About 300 posts and 18000 views, and we're barely at episode 2. And actually, a lot of different people has posted here. I understand the Fate/stay night phenomen, but with this one the trend is really impressive, and imho unexpected.
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Old 2006-01-25, 12:49   Link #295
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For all we know this was done on purpose and the alien was lying about not being able to change Hazumu back....Whoa. Please don't misunderstand me. I didn't mean that the girls have to end up together for it to be yuri. MariMite is undeniably yuri, but it is left competely vague if the girls have any romantic feeling at all. I only meant that the writers invariably lack commitment. In almost all yuri, either the feelings aren't clearly spelled out as romantic, they don't end up together or else a girl isn't really a girl. These things are true, but I never meant to imply that it isn't in the yuri or shoujo-ai genre.
Sorry, I was overreacting to a minor part of your argument. I agree with the idea that the writers usually find a way to pussy-foot around the situation. But I think it may be as much a fig-leaf as a lack of commitment. It does seem strange, however, that yaoi (as far as I know, not having watched much) seems to be treated a little more directly.

As for whether the aliens can change him back, I think they could, but I don't think they will. I don't see anyone wanting it.
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I don't think logic will not be much of a guide in exploring the various byways this show takes: absurdity is the name of the game. It reminds me somewhat of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and Monty Pyhthon.
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Old 2006-01-25, 12:59   Link #296
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Old 2006-01-25, 16:45   Link #299
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Yes, and it's not even real yuri to boot.
There's always a point of quibbling that can make someone say that any yuri show isn't real yuri. Haven't you been paying attention? Yuri shows love to be vague or cowardly in this regard.
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Old 2006-01-25, 16:47   Link #300
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Episode 2 was a good laugh.

Let's hope it doesn't suddenly to an about-turn and become all serious...
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