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View Poll Results: Shin Sekai Yori - Episode 22 Rating
Perfect 10 14 36.84%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 14 36.84%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 9 23.68%
7 out of 10 : Good 1 2.63%
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Old 2013-03-01, 04:24   Link #1
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Old 2013-03-02, 01:24   Link #2
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So, what happened in this episode? Usually by this point a raw downloader or two should've poked their heads in.
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Old 2013-03-02, 03:06   Link #3
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This episode felt like it went by way too fast, for me at least. We know now how they plan to deal with the Akki, but how they can actually get close enough to do it is another story.
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Old 2013-03-02, 03:17   Link #4
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This anime doesn't stop with the way it gives out information. Very enjoyable and I can't wait for more seeing as Shun might be back next episode to some extent.

This episode feels so short.
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Old 2013-03-02, 03:27   Link #5
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It's interesting how saki contemplates the possibility that marie's child isn't a fiend. Perhaps she is sentimental because he is the child of their dead friends, but maybe he isn't naturally malicious. Its just that he has been conditioned and trained by squealer to be a walking weapon of destruction. We will see how Saki comes to deal with him once she obtains the psychobuster and has an opportunity to use it.
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Old 2013-03-02, 03:38   Link #6
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First off, I have to admit that I laughed pretty hard when almost all of the exposition in this episode was what folks had been griping about last week. Basically, patience people...!

The episode went by in such a flash; I was shocked when my screen suddenly went to the ED. The art quality also went back up for a good majority of the episode, so that was nice to see again.

Kiroumaru stole the show for me, which I suspect he will continue to do until the very end (or until his last breath...). How quickly he figured things out was amazing, but I suppose that's expected from him since he was the leader of a colony. Also love him calling Squealer out on being a coward. Some of the prolonged close-ups on his face in the first half gave such a sense of foreboding, though, as if he's just faking his current loyalty to Saki & co. I really hope I just read those scenes wrong.

In addition to continuing the home stretch to the end of the story, the world was expanded even further with a completely foreign Tokyo and...'things'...that I'm sure exist in our own world somewhere. I'm honestly amazed at the way they did this as it immersed me completely into the situation without making me forget about the looming threat at hand.

And now a list because it's late and I'm incoherent:
-Inui's escape was clever. We knew bakenezumi could speak Japanese, but not the other way around... well, at the very least, Inui knew enough to save his life.
-Those face markings were missing in the last episode -- art mistake or the kid just washed it off after the hospital attack? I'm chalking it up to an art mistake given how terrible it was last week. Also, it's heartbreaking that such a beautiful child ended up with this fate...
-Bakenezumi knew that humans couldn't attack each other... I wonder how long this was common knowledge? That Kiroumaru knew it and nonchalantly brought it up was boss, btw He's too charismatic!
-Saki questioning whether the child was actually a fiend -- so it's finally hit her, but I'm wondering exactly what she was going to say before Satoru started going off.
-I'm a little confused as to what happened during Saki's mother's letter. When Satoru and Saki are talking to the head priest and they see the child in the fire and react accordingly --what was happening there? Did they want to confirm it was Maria and Mamoru's child?
-Shun's voice in the preview for next week... completely unexpected, but ridiculously effective.
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Old 2013-03-02, 03:38   Link #7
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Anybody get the impression that Kiroumaru is in on the whole thing? He's been giving out far too many grins for my tastes. I wouldn't be surprised if he's in league with Yakomaru to get the Psychobuster for his future plans to either kill the rest of the humans, or to prevent his future fiend army from going out of control and keep them in line, perhaps both.
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Old 2013-03-02, 03:51   Link #8
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Given how ruthless this series has been over its course, I'm about 70% sure that Kiromaru is on the whole thing. I mean seriously everything is going completely according to plan with Yakomaru and his gang on their tail. I think one thing that needs to be noted from this series is that theres no good or bad guys because that depends on what perspective you look at it from. Just different shades of grey.

On another note, I felt this episode went by too quickly. It felted a bit rushed. One moment they were in the temple and talking to Kiromaru, next moment they were heading to Tokyo on a pseudo submarine, next moment they are traversing through tunnels in Tokyo.
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Old 2013-03-02, 04:22   Link #9
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This episode confirmed that the death feedback doesn't trigger if they use indirect means of killing such as poison. I fail to see how this so-called Psychobuster, which is basically a mutation of Anthrax, is any better than other poisons, but let's say that it was specifally designed to be almost impossible to dissolve with Cantus. Still it would have made more sense to retrieve the Psychobuster in times of peace instead of waiting until they were under attack.

Nonetheless I enjoyed this episode greatly because it was gripping when they escaped the bakenezumi sentinels underwater and especially when they explored the caves, full of undisclosed perils.
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Old 2013-03-02, 04:29   Link #10
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Actually, I wonder whether the Tainted Cats claws and fangs are imbued with a poison inspired by the Psycho-buster....
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Old 2013-03-02, 04:48   Link #11
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This anime got really dark and disturbing.
Kiroumaru is truly a good and loyal one.
He was always different from the others.
Yakomaru on the other hand was bad right from the start.
The submarine trip was pretty exciting.
Searching for Psychobuster in the desert and under it.
Yakomaru and the fiend are chasing them.
They don't have much of a choice but to push forward and hope they find it.
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Old 2013-03-02, 05:38   Link #12
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This episode confirmed that the death feedback doesn't trigger if they use indirect means of killing such as poison. I fail to see how this so-called Psychobuster, which is basically a mutation of Anthrax, is any better than other poisons, but let's say that it was specifally designed to be almost impossible to dissolve with Cantus. Still it would have made more sense to retrieve the Psychobuster in times of peace instead of waiting until they were under attack.
Bacteria is not a simple poison. Typical poisons are nothing more than a mixture of chemicals that are harmful to your body. Bacteriae are living organisms that can spread and multiply. How do you "dissolve" bacteria, and how does that render them harmless? Do you even know what the word dissolve means?
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Old 2013-03-02, 05:52   Link #13
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Kiroumaru is pretty awesome. The grin does concern me, but he tends to do that. Usually, though, it's an attempt to get back at Squealer. I think he genuinely hates Squealer, but then again, I'm trying to see the logic in him helping out humans. Is he truly loyal and chivalrous? What benefit does he have for helping out humans? To go back to being slaves again? Or get back vengous to kill Squealer? I think his only reason to help is so that the humans can defeat the fiend so that he can get at Sqealer. His colony is gone, so he has nothing left. A man (in this case queerat) with nothing to lose is the most dangerous man.

The fact that Saki is still alive to tell her story in narrative form suggests that she does eventually defeat the fiend. Then again, if the fiend is not really a fiend, maybe they can try and seal his cantus with hypnosis.
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Old 2013-03-02, 06:27   Link #14
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So, according to Kiroumaru the "fiend" didn't kill his men, right?
He disarmed them, letting them get butchered by Yakomaru's soldiers, instead of just blowing them up.

Then, maybe the "fiend" can't kill queerats?
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Old 2013-03-02, 07:40   Link #15
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It is funny how this ep starts to address things that have been under discussion over the past week. But from another perspective, hey, it means we got to have our turn speculating before things were handed to us.

Kiroumaru is so cool. I know he's been having odd grins for a while, so he could be in on things, but I really don't want it to be true. I'd like to have a genuinely honourable and heroic character around and participating actively. (Although...I suppose he's not perfect. He did participate in traditional Queerat wars and things. Taking the baby Queerats from other colonies and doling them out.)

It would make reasonable sense for Yakomaru's forces to send someone the humans might trust, so that they could flush out any back-up plans they might have. But...given what was going on, chances were that Kiroumaru would be killed on sight, regardless of what Inui said. That's a very high risk, if so. Of course, if Kiroumaru really was convinced the cause was right, he would be the type to take that risk.

Incidentally, with people like Kiroumaru around who are vaguely human-shaped and sound intelligent and dignified in a way that most humans would recognise, it is pretty silly that they didn't recognise Queerats as an intelligent species before.

This ep seems to answer the question of the "Fiend's" status. He's not a Fiend at all, just someone who has been raised to think of Queerats as his species and thus "human" for the purposes of death feedback. Which means that if Yakomaru's plans go as he wants, the Queerats are probably pretty safe with the "Fiend" and the babies they want to raise...or will be until one of them really goes Akki or Gouma on them.

Assuming the "Fiend" can't kill Queerats, maybe what the humans really need is a convincing Queerat outfit and make-up job. Where's Weta Workshops when you really need them, eh?
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Old 2013-03-02, 08:22   Link #16
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Suffice to say, if there was one word I never expected to hear in Shin Sekai Yori, it was "Roppongi". For those who don't know, Roppongi is the anus of Tokyo - a sleazy and glitzy spread of expensive and soulless shopping malls and dive bars designed almost entirely to feast on the dollars of foreigners. On any given night it's full of hawkers for sex shops, drunk gaijin and locals who like to take advantage of them. None of that is likely to have any real connection to its use as a locale in SSY, of course, but it's quite surreal to see my worlds colliding in such a comedically absurd way. I was lured to Roppongi once for a 1000 nomihoudai, and I think I prefer the subway tunnels with six inches of bat guano to the actual place. As for the giant blood-sucking slugs, that's pretty much unchanged from reality.
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Old 2013-03-02, 08:27   Link #17
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It's good to know that there is a way to defeat Akki but the whole excitement was gone. Walk the tunnel, retrieve the Psychobuster and let Akki inhale it, the end. It was like giving too much points and reinforcements to human side with just one episode. Now Kiroumaru is on their side, Minoshiro as a present from Saki's mom and Psychobuster later. And Saki still doesn't have a moment to shine. She's been crying and running for almost entire story and I still don't get what Tomiko-san and her mom see in her. Without Satoru, practically she cannot survive.
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Well at least they had a plan after all.

I suppose the issue is that they wanted to make it seem like there was no plan for dramatic reasons last episode & then toss this out as the last ditch effort. It could still completely backfire, but that's in the spirit of SSY.

Still, I think it would have made more sense for grandmother-san to have mentioned this rather than her parents or to have it be closer by. Now it's more in the realm of stretching belief for narrative purposes instead of making no sense at all. I can deal with that & am still enjoying it immensely,
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Old 2013-03-02, 10:02   Link #19
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Saki and the others' escape from the village in that cantus powered submarine was gripping, as was their expedition into the tunnels crawling with foul creatures.

Kiromaru was really awesome in this episode. He's a highly valued ally. The thought that he is actually a spy sent by Yakomaru crossed my mind, but I want to believe he remained loyal to the humans. He's way too cool to be a traitor!

I was surprised Yakomaru himself is chasing after them. It seems he has also predicted they would search for a weapon to get rid of his precious fiend. I'm pretty sure he intends to let them lead him to it so that he can later use it in his world conquest. That kind of weapon would certainly be useful to him. I'm afraid they're going to have to come up with something better if they want to outsmart Yakomaru.

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This ep seems to answer the question of the "Fiend's" status. He's not a Fiend at all, just someone who has been raised to think of Queerats as his species and thus "human" for the purposes of death feedback. Which means that if Yakomaru's plans go as he wants, the Queerats are probably pretty safe with the "Fiend" and the babies they want to raise...or will be until one of them really goes Akki or Gouma on them.

Assuming the "Fiend" can't kill Queerats, maybe what the humans really need is a convincing Queerat outfit and make-up job. Where's Weta Workshops when you really need them, eh?
Yep, it appears the fiend is not a fiend, he was simply conditioned to think of Queerats as members of his own species, and humans as animals/whatever else. He probably still has death feedback, and I think this will be the key to defeat him. Kiromaru, assuming he is on the humans' side, could easily kill him. They first need to figure this out though... Saki is close but not quite there yet.
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I'm more inclined to believe Yakomaru has his very own false minashiro and learned of the weapon somehow, but not its exact location. Though I'm sure he'd love to use it as part of his arsenal, from his perspective he might be better to see it destroyed. Right now he holds a weapon that no one else can counteract, but a Psychobuster seemingly levels the playing field - yes it can decimate humans and queerats alike, but it's possibly the only thing that might be able to kill his pet pseudo-fiend.

I like the idea of a false minashiro in Tokyo - it's pretty much impossible to find an address without one even now.
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