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demino_hellsin · 2013-03-04, 20:58

If Kamiya took up DMC, I wanna see his version of DMC2

Used Can · 2013-03-04, 21:13

I think a reboot would have been good if it was done to fix the plot-related problem of the series, whilst keeping the characters as they were, the atmosphere, and the gimmicks. I think the same storyline (as in, the same base idea) could have been used, but fixed an tweaked. For example, in terms of story telling, the only good elements were DMC and DMC3. DMC2 was horrible, and DMC4 was too bland. Not to mention the inconsistent characterisation. In DMC2 Dante was too serious, whereas in DMC4 he was too goofy.

Dante worked really well in DMC and DMC3, because he had this rebellious air to him, whilst not feeling anti-social or trying to hard to be hardcore. He was also a trickster, who pulled cool (yet sometimes corny) one-liners and had some charisma. Despite that, he could get serious when required and even angry. He also had a established set of objectives and morals. I think a reboot would have been great had they kept all that, and discarding completely his DMC2 seriousness and the extreme goofiness from DMC4.

They could even have made a game fully focused on Sparda's rebellion, him leaving the demon world, and then having as an epilogue him marrying, things going wrong when Mundus sent his demons to kill him and his family, and finally the ending has Dante and Vergil getting separated. They could have made another game starting from the days in which Dante went as Tony Redgrave, then cover DMC3, followed by the events of DMC1, but of course all remade to have decent levels of writing and an overarching plot. Of course, adding new challenges in terms of gameplay, plus new combos, weapons and other things to make the gameplay even more cool.

For the next games, they could have come up with something that was part of the overarching plot I mentioned previously and that felt in-line with the previous games, which is something DMC2 and DMC4 failed horribly at. Hell, one of the MCs in DMC4 is a plot-hole. So, that could have been fixed in a reboot with a grand storyline planned from the start.

I think that would have been the best course of action to keep this franchise alive, and even to kick it up a notch.

kenjiharima · 2013-03-04, 22:02

Rueben Langdon + P* + Capcom not being a dick = 1 awesome Devil May Cry game

KleenexGhost · 2013-03-04, 23:09

I don't think Capcom would do it. Well, with the people making decisions nowadays being in charge. I would love to see it happen though. One can only wonder how things are gonna get at Capcom if Lost Planet 3 fails.

amaterasu4 · 2013-03-05, 11:39

"It’s been just shy of two months since DmC was released in what’s shaping up to be one of the best years to date for video games, yet it remains a strong contender for game of the year. " HardcoreGamer.com

Man the internet sometimes scares me.

Sad thing is that Kamiya would have liked to make Devil May Cry 2 but Capcom didn't tell Kamiya about it and instead placed Hideaki Itsuno as its director. I can see why Kamiya left Capcom. Meanwhile, Itsuno stayed to work in the following Devil May Cry games.

demino_hellsin · 2013-03-05, 11:46

amd he just got sick of it.

Lummie · 2013-03-05, 13:39

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Originally Posted by demino_hellsin

amd he just got sick of it.

When they get sick of something, it's not a good sign. Just watch what happened when Capcom got sick of Megaman and reduced it to this on on it's 25th Anniversary just recently.

YouTube

http://youtu.be/e-uQXruMYrM

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Just read the comments/dislikes in the vid and that alone should say enough. It's exactly what I'm fearing that might happen to DMC if Capcom doesn't get their shit together.

KleenexGhost · 2013-03-05, 13:50

http://egamer.co.za/2013/03/to-all-y...may-cry-sales/

Found this on gamefaqs. Nothing new in terms of content but still happy to see some sanity in gaming media concerning DmC failing.

kenjiharima · 2013-03-05, 19:25

Capcom in the later years is just proving themselves as another company sinking, their new games today look like copy paste from other games we've already seen, besides the other Japanese guys that work for Capcom Seth Killian left and knows it's a sinking ship, they'll just squeeze everything out as much as they can.

amaterasu4 · 2013-03-05, 20:04

"Capcom’s recent reboot of Devil May Cry is easily one of the best reimaginings in recent memory. Ninja Theory set the standard for how to reinvigorate a series, while still retaining what made the original great." ztgd.com

-_- This isn't funny anymore. Can't tell if joking or trolling like Kamiya's twitter. I mean, what the heck is going on with these writers guy?

"This is easily Capcom’s best franchise revitalization to date."

I disagree.

demino_hellsin · 2013-03-05, 20:10

remember when I said that the original Dante wasn't about fitting in with what's cool? DmC Dante fits in with the idea of pop culture as cool. Sex, booze, no care for paying child support, smoking and drinking till his lungs and liver cave in despite the demon blood bolstering his health. Yeah... these writers really think those types are cool. 'Cuz y'know. He's finally starting to go the Kratos route...

kenjiharima · 2013-03-05, 20:31

^And we only need one Kratos.

The original Dante had a character of his own. This new Donte even gets hurt when hurting himself unlike the DMC1,3,4 he gets stabbed, caught in explosions and shot at multiple times he just rubs it off not shout like a cry baby. That is not cool.

amaterasu4 · 2013-03-05, 20:42

I liked Kratos in God of War 1 but in the next game the Hulk felt more complex that him as it was "Revenge! Rage! Kill everybody!" It later turns out that Kratos is responsible for all the fights.

kenjiharima · 2013-03-05, 20:59

^Speaking of that Kratos altered the future. Also if you look at GOWIII ending it's similar to DmC ending where the world is in chaos. =_= wow so original they say.

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-03-05, 21:03

The main reason I could never get into the God of War series was because Kratos was such an unrelenting and unlikeable asshole.

I can imagine Ninja Theory somehow idolizing that character seeing as how they tried to make Monkey a 'bit of a cunt' like Kratos from that now infamous interview from Alex Garland.

And now they finally realized their dream; bravo =_=

kenjiharima · 2013-03-06, 05:07

That's why I mentioned we only need ONE Kratos. Another we don't need too many characters like that.

amaterasu4 · 2013-03-06, 11:34

Other stuff

Dauerlutscher · 2013-03-06, 12:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

The main reason I could never get into the God of War series was because Kratos was such an unrelenting and unlikeable asshole.

I can imagine Ninja Theory somehow idolizing that character seeing as how they tried to make Monkey a 'bit of a cunt' like Kratos from that now infamous interview from Alex Garland.

And now they finally realized their dream; bravo =_=

Well, Kratos is meant to be a badass unrelenting and unlikeable asshole and he is exactly that.

This new Dante is meant to be cool and fails horrible.

See the difference.

Lummie · 2013-03-09, 10:51

Doesn't seem like NT fixed the problem in the main game and left in the DLC aswell

YouTube

http://youtu.be/EXCmuvoZgyw

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Kyero Fox · 2013-03-09, 15:31

Well yea, they just copy pasted the boss.

2013-03-04, 21:13	Link #1782
Used Can Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008	I think a reboot would have been good if it was done to fix the plot-related problem of the series, whilst keeping the characters as they were, the atmosphere, and the gimmicks. I think the same storyline (as in, the same base idea) could have been used, but fixed an tweaked. For example, in terms of story telling, the only good elements were DMC and DMC3. DMC2 was horrible, and DMC4 was too bland. Not to mention the inconsistent characterisation. In DMC2 Dante was too serious, whereas in DMC4 he was too goofy. Dante worked really well in DMC and DMC3, because he had this rebellious air to him, whilst not feeling anti-social or trying to hard to be hardcore. He was also a trickster, who pulled cool (yet sometimes corny) one-liners and had some charisma. Despite that, he could get serious when required and even angry. He also had a established set of objectives and morals. I think a reboot would have been great had they kept all that, and discarding completely his DMC2 seriousness and the extreme goofiness from DMC4. They could even have made a game fully focused on Sparda's rebellion, him leaving the demon world, and then having as an epilogue him marrying, things going wrong when Mundus sent his demons to kill him and his family, and finally the ending has Dante and Vergil getting separated. They could have made another game starting from the days in which Dante went as Tony Redgrave, then cover DMC3, followed by the events of DMC1, but of course all remade to have decent levels of writing and an overarching plot. Of course, adding new challenges in terms of gameplay, plus new combos, weapons and other things to make the gameplay even more cool. For the next games, they could have come up with something that was part of the overarching plot I mentioned previously and that felt in-line with the previous games, which is something DMC2 and DMC4 failed horribly at. Hell, one of the MCs in DMC4 is a plot-hole. So, that could have been fixed in a reboot with a grand storyline planned from the start. I think that would have been the best course of action to keep this franchise alive, and even to kick it up a notch. __________________ "The name is Tin; Used is just an alias. I'm everything Shoe Box would like to be." - Used Can of the Aluminium Kingdom

2013-03-04, 22:02	Link #1783
kenjiharima Mizore-chan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Moe Land Age: 32	Rueben Langdon + P* + Capcom not being a dick = 1 awesome Devil May Cry game __________________ Vampire+Sisters

2013-03-04, 23:09	Link #1784
KleenexGhost Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Earth Age: 20	I don't think Capcom would do it. Well, with the people making decisions nowadays being in charge. I would love to see it happen though. One can only wonder how things are gonna get at Capcom if Lost Planet 3 fails. __________________ "I'll take a little revenge. What goes around comes around, right?"

2013-03-05, 13:50	Link #1788
KleenexGhost Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Earth Age: 20	http://egamer.co.za/2013/03/to-all-y...may-cry-sales/ Found this on gamefaqs. Nothing new in terms of content but still happy to see some sanity in gaming media concerning DmC failing. __________________ "I'll take a little revenge. What goes around comes around, right?"

2013-03-05, 19:25	Link #1789
kenjiharima Mizore-chan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Moe Land Age: 32	Capcom in the later years is just proving themselves as another company sinking, their new games today look like copy paste from other games we've already seen, besides the other Japanese guys that work for Capcom Seth Killian left and knows it's a sinking ship, they'll just squeeze everything out as much as they can. __________________ Vampire+Sisters

2013-03-04, 20:58	Link #1781
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	If Kamiya took up DMC, I wanna see his version of DMC2

2013-03-05, 11:39	Link #1785
amaterasu4 CAUSE I FEEEEEEEEEEEEEL!! Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Shame Car	"It’s been just shy of two months since DmC was released in what’s shaping up to be one of the best years to date for video games, yet it remains a strong contender for game of the year. " HardcoreGamer.com Man the internet sometimes scares me. Sad thing is that Kamiya would have liked to make Devil May Cry 2 but Capcom didn't tell Kamiya about it and instead placed Hideaki Itsuno as its director. I can see why Kamiya left Capcom. Meanwhile, Itsuno stayed to work in the following Devil May Cry games.

2013-03-05, 11:46	Link #1786
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	amd he just got sick of it.

2013-03-05, 20:04	Link #1790
amaterasu4 CAUSE I FEEEEEEEEEEEEEL!! Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Shame Car	"Capcom’s recent reboot of Devil May Cry is easily one of the best reimaginings in recent memory. Ninja Theory set the standard for how to reinvigorate a series, while still retaining what made the original great." ztgd.com -_- This isn't funny anymore. Can't tell if joking or trolling like Kamiya's twitter. I mean, what the heck is going on with these writers guy? "This is easily Capcom’s best franchise revitalization to date." I disagree.

2013-03-05, 20:10	Link #1791
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	remember when I said that the original Dante wasn't about fitting in with what's cool? DmC Dante fits in with the idea of pop culture as cool. Sex, booze, no care for paying child support, smoking and drinking till his lungs and liver cave in despite the demon blood bolstering his health. Yeah... these writers really think those types are cool. 'Cuz y'know. He's finally starting to go the Kratos route...

2013-03-05, 20:31	Link #1792
kenjiharima Mizore-chan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Moe Land Age: 32	^And we only need one Kratos. The original Dante had a character of his own. This new Donte even gets hurt when hurting himself unlike the DMC1,3,4 he gets stabbed, caught in explosions and shot at multiple times he just rubs it off not shout like a cry baby. That is not cool. __________________ Vampire+Sisters

2013-03-05, 20:42	Link #1793
amaterasu4 CAUSE I FEEEEEEEEEEEEEL!! Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Shame Car	I liked Kratos in God of War 1 but in the next game the Hulk felt more complex that him as it was "Revenge! Rage! Kill everybody!" It later turns out that Kratos is responsible for all the fights.

2013-03-05, 20:59	Link #1794
kenjiharima Mizore-chan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Moe Land Age: 32	^Speaking of that Kratos altered the future. Also if you look at GOWIII ending it's similar to DmC ending where the world is in chaos. =_= wow so original they say. __________________ Vampire+Sisters

2013-03-05, 21:03	Link #1795
Chaos2Frozen Chaos of Crawling Join Date: Nov 2006 Age: 24	The main reason I could never get into the God of War series was because Kratos was such an unrelenting and unlikeable asshole. I can imagine Ninja Theory somehow idolizing that character seeing as how they tried to make Monkey a 'bit of a cunt' like Kratos from that now infamous interview from Alex Garland. And now they finally realized their dream; bravo =_= __________________ Last edited by Chaos2Frozen; 2013-03-05 at 21:30.

2013-03-06, 05:07	Link #1796
kenjiharima Mizore-chan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Moe Land Age: 32	That's why I mentioned we only need ONE Kratos. Another we don't need too many characters like that. __________________ Vampire+Sisters

2013-03-06, 11:34	Link #1797
amaterasu4 CAUSE I FEEEEEEEEEEEEEL!! Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Shame Car	Other stuff

2013-03-09, 10:51	Link #1799
Lummie Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009	Doesn't seem like NT fixed the problem in the main game and left in the DLC aswell YouTube http://youtu.be/EXCmuvoZgyw Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload?

2013-03-09, 15:31	Link #1800
Kyero Fox Tastes Cloudy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Snake Way Age: 24	Well yea, they just copy pasted the boss. __________________