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Old 2013-03-06, 20:10   Link #41
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That's not really a surprise though, so far, as sadistic as he is and operating underground weapons and slave trades, he seems pretty royal and genuinely cares for those who are with him.

That's the same as the beautiful, kitten-kicking, Hancock. Heck, Moria is the same way, treating his crew well and still grieving over the loss of his crew back in his struggles against Kaidou.

Even Roger, he's known to be merciless to those he deem his enemies.
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Old 2013-03-06, 20:45   Link #42
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Chapter 701
This chapter is very good. Dressrosa is very interesting. The crew splitting up the way they did was very lopsided.

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For some reason I think the blind man DF is from his sword. Because why else would he take it out? or maybe he uses his sword to make the AOE of his power.
I noticed that too and it is weird how it all happened. The question now is who has a devil fruit? Is it the Blind Man(strong possibility Fujitora), or is it the Sword, or Both? This is going to be interesting.

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There are some weird stuff going on that does not make sense right now. Why would the blind man(strong possibility Fujitora) reveal himself so quickly? Second it very convenient that he is exactly in the same place has the assault team (Zoro, Luffy, Kinome, Sanji, and Franky). He is exactly in the right place to intercept and prevent the destruction of the factory. Why is Fujitora not out to sea waiting for the Sunny, how about being at Green Bit to collect on CC and screw Dalfamingo over? Fujitora could be in so many better places in this arch and yet he right were the strike team is. That tells me two things. One Akainu is working with Daflamingo. Someone is leaking information to the enemy(My guess is Mononosuke).

Daflamingo and Fujtora are exactly were they should be. Daflamingo deals with the Green Bit negotiations and Fujtora prevents the factory from being destroyed. If any of this is true then Daflamingo did not give up both of his titles. That would explain why the country is not in chaos like Sanji noticed.

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This also leads me to something else did Akainu devise this whole SAD supply stuff to take Kaidou down from behind the scene? The reason I ask is why send Fujitora(Which could be the blind man) to intercept the Straw Hats before they destroy the factory? Why not wait and let L&L alliance(Luffy and Law) and Daflamingo fight each other untill there is one winner then destroy the winner. At least this way you get rid of a Straw hat and do away with both the back stabbing Shichibukai. It seems has if Fujitora is there to help Daflamingo.

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Old 2013-03-06, 20:58   Link #43
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That old blindman with scar on his face look like a prominent figure in the pass. Sorts of like the same league with Rayleigh.
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Old 2013-03-06, 21:01   Link #44
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Aside from our fascinating blind fellow (in which I agree with the majority of the people that this probably is Fujitora), I think Dressrosa itself is the real star of this chapter.

As other people here have commented here, this seems like a pretty sweet place to live - well, as long as you're not a cheating guy! Although it unsettles me vaguely... things are too calm, especially since we had the last two chapters of people yelling about Doflamingo stepping down (Trebol even mentions how close they are to riot). Sanji even lampshades this this chapter. Did Dofla do a keep calm and carry on to the people? Maybe... but still you'd think you'd be detecting more anxiety than this.

Another interesting thing are those toys. I have so many questions about those toys. What's animating them (DF? Fairies?), why are so many of them around, are they as sweet and harmless seeming as appears on the surface? My guess is not... that toy soldier, despite recognizing Luffy from the papers, did nothing (or at least, nothing we're aware of). Also strings? It looks like these toys are marionettes, which ties nicely back to Dofla's puppeteering ability.

All that combined makes me wonder if this place will be more a Water Seven or a Sabaody - which looks nice on the surface, but hides a lot darkness underneath. It certainly highlights another facet of Doflamingo's character. He certainly is a good king, isn't he? Dressrosa is prosperous, he's obviously thought well of by his subjects, and his crew polices the island to keep order, going off the comments of the casino crooks about Buffalo. Then we know he's got his fingers into every dirty dealing imaginable - from slavery, to drugs, to weapons trafficking. His nakama adore him, he'll go at great lengths for them, even if he'll sacrifice them if necessary. Then there's the man who delights at turning comrades against each other with his powers, as we see with Bellamy and Sarquiss, the vice admirals at the meeting, and Atmos and company. Complex and conflicting. I can see why he's said to have the devil's charisma by the Marines; it's things like Dressrosa that make you question just how much of a villian he is.
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Old 2013-03-06, 22:44   Link #45
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Old 2013-03-07, 00:34   Link #46
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Funny that this just occurred to me now, but to bring up a different possibility aside from the Wapolmetal theory, what if the toys were all fed Smiles? The more I think about it, the more I feel it makes a lot of sense since Dressrosa is the home of the Smile factories in the first place. So it may just be possible that the toys are all zoans, rather than robots as I predicted earlier. Of course, that also means I still haven't given up on one of the strongest toys being an arc boss, if that's indeed the case (maybe some of them are even based on mythical creatures).....



Also, Grey's post reminded me: I also agree that Sanji's suspicion towards the calm demeanor of the Dressrosa citizens seems to imply that Dofla faked the news of giving up both his positions, after all. I had even mentioned myself during the past couple threads that Dofla would use the news article as a means to spring a trap on the Straw-Heart alliance. And while I have my doubts about the possibility of Dofla collaborating with the marines, I guess I can kind of see him deceiving Fujitora into helping him target the allied pirates, assuming that he really IS the blind man.....
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Old 2013-03-07, 01:13   Link #47
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Lot of you betting it on the old blindman DF as gravity or blackholes etc but could it be jes his raw power? Am sure Zoro could do that holes too. Is it because the blindman jes withdraw the sword without striking make u think he or the sword having some kind of gravity like DF?
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Old 2013-03-07, 01:49   Link #48
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Something else: if the blind man is on an admiral's level (but even if not, he clearly is no fodder), who was the beast, who damaged his face and blinded him? Must be even more fearsome.
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Old 2013-03-07, 01:52   Link #49
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Something else: if the blind man is on an admiral's level (but even if not, he clearly is no fodder), who was the beast, who damaged his face and blinded him? Must be even more fearsome.
It could jes be a monster fish who snap off Shank hand?
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Old 2013-03-07, 04:46   Link #50
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You know, if this guy IS Fujitora, then he could be just like Aokiji. You know, Aokiji doesn't hate pirates on a personal level. He just fights pirates because it's his job to maintain order. It doesn't make him resentful toward the individual.

You know, one of those guys you can be friends with despite also being enemies.
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Old 2013-03-07, 10:03   Link #51
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Something else: if the blind man is on an admiral's level (but even if not, he clearly is no fodder), who was the beast, who damaged his face and blinded him? Must be even more fearsome.
Judging by his closing lines, he probably cut his own eyes out.

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That being said, I'm surprised no one has chimed in on the whole Mihawk is the greatest swordsmen thing. True, we do not know the relation between this blind man and his sword, but he did clearly use his sword to do something, so he might be a swordsman, in which case he is currently ranked below Mihawk. So, if he is an Admiral and a swordsman, then he would still be below Mihawk, which wouldn't be a very good position for an Admiral to be in.

Whatever the case, if he is a swordsman, then he is Zoro's enemy or teacher (I always did want Zoro to have an old guy teach him some tricks...).
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Old 2013-03-07, 10:49   Link #52
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Mihawk is not the strongest swordsman until he fights all of them in the NW which he hasn't. Saying Blind man is weaker than Mihawk is baseless. Again it's just a title like how WB was the strongest when Garp/Sengoku didn't have any strength titles.
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Old 2013-03-07, 11:06   Link #53
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Lot of you betting it on the old blindman DF as gravity or blackholes etc but could it be jes his raw power? Am sure Zoro could do that holes too. Is it because the blindman jes withdraw the sword without striking make u think he or the sword having some kind of gravity like DF?
I'm going with blackholes df on a sword given the fact that it shined then he took out the blade a bit.. Plus the fact that the they where pulled to the ground and couldn't get up as if something was pulling them to the ground. That would explain the mask leader saying "So heavy, It's crashing me" as he tried fighting it and then the hole appeared which was quite big and was black with no bottom in site. Plus after looking back at the chapter the chairs/tables/table cloth etc are being sucked into it as well as wind by the looks of it. Plus Blind swordsman is seen walking away from it. Thou the only thing I can't see that isn't being sucked in is the candle lights on the ceiling soo maybe it doesn't effect the ceiling?
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Old 2013-03-07, 11:23   Link #54
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Mihawk is not the strongest swordsman until he fights all of them in the NW which he hasn't. Saying Blind man is weaker than Mihawk is baseless. Again it's just a title like how WB was the strongest when Garp/Sengoku didn't have any strength titles.
While I agree that there is no official titles created via a reputation/contest system, that doesn't stop the titles from meaning exactly what they say. (Personally, greatest swordsmen, to me, has always meant Mihawk can do something with his blade no one else can, something that makes it so he cannot be defeated by other swordsmen (though he could be defeated by other means); consequently he doesn't need to fight everyone). It makes little sense for Oda to create these titles unless they actually matter or are relevant, especially since Mihawk's title is quite literally his selling point (and Zoro's greatest dream).

That being said, the entire point of Mihawk within the context of being a Shichibukai is that he is the known strongest swordsman. It is literally his reputation, and Shichibukai are all about reputation. Consequently, unless the world government wants Mihawk's power to be diminished by having other swordsmen stronger than him with Ranks equal to him, then it is unlikely that an Admiral will be a swordsman only.

edit: To put it even simpler, the marines acknowledged Mihawk just last chapter as the unrivaled greatest swordsman. So I find it hard to believe that the next Admiral would be a swordsman if the marines themselves already acknowledge Mihawk as the best...

I'm all for this blind character to be an Admiral, he just can't be a swordsman only. He can use a sword, be a weaker swordsman compared to Mihawk, but still be stronger overall for other reasons.

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I'm going with blackholes df on a sword given the fact that it shined then he took out the blade a bit..
It could just be Haki. We already know the presence of Haki feels like pressure on the body/mind, so why not make the power extra effective when used against one individual?

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Old 2013-03-07, 11:41   Link #55
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Has Haki ever had a physical effect (other than for dramatic effect)?
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That being said, the entire point of Mihawk within the context of being a Shichibukai is that he is the known strongest swordsman. It is literally his reputation, and Shichibukai are all about reputation. Consequently, unless the world government wants Mihawk's power to be diminished by having other swordsmen stronger than him with Ranks equal to him, then it is unlikely that an Admiral will be a swordsman only.

I'm all for this blind character to be an Admiral, he just can't be a swordsman only. He can use a sword, be a weaker swordsman compared to Mihawk, but still be stronger overall for other reasons.
For all we know he could be on par with Mihawk seeing how there could have been more swordmens who are also strong coming up from the 2 year skip. Also who could own the other 11 Supreme Grade Swords. I also want him to train Zoro seeing how both uses swords and both are blind and semi blind. Plus in the end of the training blind swordsman could trade swords with Zoro. Seeing how Blind swordsman sword could be a Supreme Grade Sword and given how Zoro has had one of each grade katana other then a Supreme Grade Sword it would be cool if he was to get one and then from there face off with the other owners of the Supreme Grade Swords to get to his final battle with Mihawk where he would put everything he has learned from all his battles into his final match with his ex-teacher and rival.

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It could just be Haki. We already know the presence of Haki feels like pressure on the body/mind, so why not make the power extra effective when used against one individual?
True as we only saw it effect one person the rest could have been hit off screen. Still if it is Haki then it would most likely be Conqueror's Haki given that the bar tender seemed to be doing fine. Still wouldn't explain the the bottomless hole. Unless he really fast at drawing his sword?
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Has Haki ever had a physical effect (other than for dramatic effect)?
Beyond being able to increase defense and offense and the ability to make weapons super strong? No not really. .
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That being said, I'm surprised no one has chimed in on the whole Mihawk is the greatest swordsmen thing. True, we do not know the relation between this blind man and his sword, but he did clearly use his sword to do something, so he might be a swordsman, in which case he is currently ranked below Mihawk. So, if he is an Admiral and a swordsman, then he would still be below Mihawk, which wouldn't be a very good position for an Admiral to be in.
Well, these new admirals don't necessarily have to be exactly as strong as Kizaru, Aokiji, and Akainu. As a matter of fact, I'm expecting them to be slightly weaker than said admiral trio. That being said, presuming that this guy is Fujitora, he doesn't have to be on par with Mihawk to be a formidable enemy, because he can still most likely defeat like 99% of the pirates out there.
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While I agree that there is no official titles created via a reputation/contest system, that doesn't stop the titles from meaning exactly what they say. (Personally, greatest swordsmen, to me, has always meant Mihawk can do something with his blade no one else can, something that makes it so he cannot be defeated by other swordsmen (though he could be defeated by other means); consequently he doesn't need to fight everyone). It makes little sense for Oda to create these titles unless they actually matter or are relevant, especially since Mihawk's title is quite literally his selling point (and Zoro's greatest dream).

That being said, the entire point of Mihawk within the context of being a Shichibukai is that he is the known strongest swordsman. It is literally his reputation, and Shichibukai are all about reputation. Consequently, unless the world government wants Mihawk's power to be diminished by having other swordsmen stronger than him with Ranks equal to him, then it is unlikely that an Admiral will be a swordsman only.

edit: To put it even simpler, the marines acknowledged Mihawk just last chapter as the unrivaled greatest swordsman. So I find it hard to believe that the next Admiral would be a swordsman if the marines themselves already acknowledge Mihawk as the best...

I'm all for this blind character to be an Admiral, he just can't be a swordsman only. He can use a sword, be a weaker swordsman compared to Mihawk, but still be stronger overall for other reasons.

Mihawk can be defeated but all he did was defeat whoever was the previous WSS. Mihawk and Shanks have been portrayed as equals yet Shanks has no title. Mihawk isn't stronger than him and there are plenty of swordsman who don't need a title to prove how strong they are. Mihawk couldn't even damage Vista somebody he never met. There are plenty of swordsman who Mihawk hasn't met that he wouldn't damage yet be on the same level as him. Blind man is just one of them but he doesn't care about some title.
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Shanks has no title.
Shanks is a Yonkou. He is so strong the mere idea that he could ally himself with Whitebeard sent the WG into a tailspin, and his presence stopped an entire war.

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Mihawk isn't stronger than him and there are plenty of swordsman who don't need a title to prove how strong they are.
It's never been confirmed one way or another that Shanks is a swordsman. Simply using a tool does not mean that you can only use that tool.

And a title doesn't "prove" how strong someone is, but it is definitely bestowed based on reputation and ability (such as the title of Yonkou, or Shichibukai).

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Mihawk couldn't even damage Vista somebody he never met.
Are you really trying to base an argument on 2 or 3 panels that showcase nothing of real importance?

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There are plenty of swordsman who Mihawk hasn't met that he wouldn't damage yet be on the same level as him.
Are there unknown people out there as strong as Mihawk (with a sword)? I don't know. But, as I said, Oda placed importance on the title and even the marines admit he is the strongest swordsman. So, he is at least the strongest swordsman amongst all known forces. Whether he is as strong or not compared to unknown forces is, of course, unknown .

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Blind man is just one of them but he doesn't care about some title.
Thank you for speaking on behalf of the unknown blind man and his one page of interesting ability. I'm sure he appreciates your help...

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Well, these new admirals don't necessarily have to be exactly as strong as Kizaru, Aokiji, and Akainu. As a matter of fact, I'm expecting them to be slightly weaker than said admiral trio. That being said, presuming that this guy is Fujitora, he doesn't have to be on par with Mihawk to be a formidable enemy, because he can still most likely defeat like 99% of the pirates out there.
Fair point. This would even allow Oda to have Luffy and the current generation defeat Admirals without actually defeating the known most powerful Admirals.
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