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Old 2013-03-07, 15:45   Link #41
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Itachi is a liar, simple as that, 99.9% of what he said when alive was flat out bullshit meant to lead Sasuke where he wanted. He wanted Sasuke to be Madara's (ie Obito) ennemy so he painted him in the worst possible light but now both Obito and Hashirama has confirmed that it was false and that Madara cared deeply for his brother.
I have two problems with this, the minor problem is how Itachi tells that it's written in the Uchiha shrine and we see Sasuke reading the stuff there, and he doesn't say or think that there's a contradiction. The major problem is that Itachi driving Sasuke crazy to take revenge and telling him to kill his best friend does seem a very bad idea, since if Sasuke really kills his best friend that would make him a criminal. And if his best friend is the the host of the kyuubi, a person so important for the village that even the 4th hokage died to seal the kyuubi in him for the village, then Sasuke killing him would be the worst thing (also the last Uchiha causing the loss of the kyuubi for the village), which would definitely make of Sasuke an S-class criminal who has to be eliminated. Of course we can assume that Itachi didn't know that Sasuke's best friend is the host of the kyuubi (before the timeskip). But still, killing his best friend is definitely against Itachi's plan. And Sasuke would have killed Naruto if it was not for the magical power of the kyuubi that healed a mortal wound.

One thing that i can think of is Itachi using reverse psychology on Sasuke, he tells him to do somthing so that Sasuke would never do that. I think that would make sense.
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Old 2013-03-07, 16:47   Link #42
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^back when itachi told sasuke he had to kill his closest friend, sasuke and naruto were not friends. sasuke probably didn't even even know naruto existed. there's no way itachi could have seen that coming. he probably assumed it would be an akamichi or an aburame or someone who could have easily been swept under the carpet and not given sasuke away as a murderer
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Old 2013-03-07, 17:00   Link #43
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^back when itachi told sasuke he had to kill his closest friend, sasuke and naruto were not friends. sasuke probably didn't even even know naruto existed. there's no way itachi could have seen that coming. he probably assumed it would be an akamichi or an aburame or someone who could have easily been swept under the carpet and not given sasuke away as a murderer
More likely it was Itachi's back-handed/reverse psychological way of telling Sasuke to get a friend. Or, it was his way of making sure Sasuke (who was always deemed to be very emotional) didn't have the guts to kill his friend. As Hunter said, the whole 'kill your best friend' thing is somewhat fake. It can work that way, but it can also work in quite a variety of other ways. Consequently, we have to look at what Itachi hoped to accomplish by telling Sasuke to kill his friend, rather than treating the information as a true maxim for attaining the MS.
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Old 2013-03-07, 17:38   Link #44
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I have two problems with this, the minor problem is how Itachi [...]
One thing that i can think of is Itachi using reverse psychology on Sasuke, he tells him to do somthing so that Sasuke would never do that. I think that would make sense.
The first problem is easy, killing your best friend really is a good way to obtain the MS particulary since this story is all about bromance but killing your mother would probably work too if you loved her enough because the real trigger is the resulting emotion and its effect on an Uchiha's chakra and brain.
The second is even simpler : Itachi's character is a ridiculous mess and his actions are laughable in insight.
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Old 2013-03-08, 07:56   Link #45
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I really liked the Obito flash-back we had a while back, and I'm really liking this one too.

Kishi wrote too many flash-backs, he's broken!
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Old 2013-03-08, 08:05   Link #46
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Sadly, we still have at least one more mini-flashback before the end (Kakashi's concerning Rin), and potentially two if Kishimoto wants to force something with the Sage in there somewhere.
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Old 2013-03-08, 08:33   Link #47
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The end? You mean the end of this arc?
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Old 2013-03-08, 10:04   Link #48
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The end? You mean the end of this arc?
The end of this arc is undoubtedly the end of the series. While Kishimoto's words have never been too exact or precise in their timeline, he has indicated for the past year that the manga is reaching its end. Undoubtedly that means he has a year or more to go, but the likelihood of a Part 3 has been dwindling for quite some time.
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Old 2013-03-08, 10:21   Link #49
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More likely it was Itachi's back-handed/reverse psychological way of telling Sasuke to get a friend.
i think that's doubtful

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Or, it was his way of making sure Sasuke (who was always deemed to be very emotional) didn't have the guts to kill his friend. As Hunter said, the whole 'kill your best friend' thing is somewhat fake. It can work that way, but it can also work in quite a variety of other ways. Consequently, we have to look at what Itachi hoped to accomplish by telling Sasuke to kill his friend, rather than treating the information as a true maxim for attaining the MS.
I know. I've been saying that MS was caused by extreme emotions since i started posting here. and was laughed at constantly. until it was proven correct of course
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Old 2013-03-08, 10:51   Link #50
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The evolution of the Sharingan through strong emotion has been a basic assumption since pretty much forever, we already had discussion about it back in 2004. If you're correct in your assessment that people are laughing at you constantly then it might be for others reasons.
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Old 2013-03-08, 11:02   Link #51
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The end of this arc is undoubtedly the end of the series. While Kishimoto's words have never been too exact or precise in their timeline, he has indicated for the past year that the manga is reaching its end. Undoubtedly that means he has a year or more to go, but the likelihood of a Part 3 has been dwindling for quite some time.
The arc after this doesn't necessarily have to be as long as this one.
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Old 2013-03-08, 11:25   Link #52
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What would this new arc entail?
The current story arc is tying up all the loose ends of the plot (namely Madara, Tobi, Juubi and Sasuke). Once that's done there is nothing to talk about except for a short conclusion.
Well as long as Naruto doesn't find out that he is actually an extra-terrestrial that is.
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Old 2013-03-08, 11:33   Link #53
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The arc after this doesn't necessarily have to be as long as this one.
In terms of plot there really isn't that much left. That's not to say that Kishimoto couldn't produce some sort of lackluster story (foreign continents?), but there really isn't any narrative left and the characters really won't change much after this war.

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Well as long as Naruto doesn't find out that he is actually an extra-terrestrial that is.
I was hoping for pan-dimensional.
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Old 2013-03-08, 12:19   Link #54
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I know. I've been saying that MS was caused by extreme emotions since i started posting here. and was laughed at constantly. until it was proven correct of course
When was it proven correct? Tobirama hardly counts for a valid source of information on MS...the guy thinks the entire clan is a cursed clan based on them killing each other which is no different than any other clans really...
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Old 2013-03-08, 12:56   Link #55
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Tobirama would be a valid source of information since it's obviously the author giving information through him but he never talked about the MS in the first place.
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Old 2013-03-08, 13:06   Link #56
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Tobirama would be a valid source of information since it's obviously the author giving information through him but he never talked about the MS in the first place.
Whether or not the author is using Tobirama as a factual source for sharingan doesn't change that Tobirama is still speculating...not valid at all..
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Old 2013-03-08, 13:16   Link #57
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What would this new arc entail?
The current story arc is tying up all the loose ends of the plot (namely Madara, Tobi, Juubi and Sasuke). Once that's done there is nothing to talk about except for a short conclusion.
Well as long as Naruto doesn't find out that he is actually an extra-terrestrial that is.
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In terms of plot there really isn't that much left. That's not to say that Kishimoto couldn't produce some sort of lackluster story (foreign continents?), but there really isn't any narrative left and the characters really won't change much after this war.
It wouldn't cover anything we don't already know. Just resolution. After the war is over, there is still Sasuke and his newfound knowledge to deal with. I doubt it'll be long. Of course I might be wrong and the war will be even longer than I'm hoping it'll be. When I said it wouldn't be a long arc, I meant that it really wouldn't be a long arc. Sorry if I was unclear.

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Old 2013-03-08, 15:24   Link #58
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Well as long as Naruto doesn't find out that he is actually an extra-terrestrial that is.
I would prefer to have them from another continent, until now we have only one continent and some small islands around it. If the Uzumaki were sent to colonize it but the sage of 6 paths who was the Uzumaki's leader rebelled against that order and...


I have to say that i like this manga enough to actually accept such a turn of events instead of ending it Sure it would have a very different taste, similarly to how DBZ was very different from DB. Despite they were different i still found DBZ enjoyable.
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Old 2013-03-08, 18:48   Link #59
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Considering how well they seem to get along, why does Hashirama believe that the desire for peace is the only thing that he and Madara have in common?
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Old 2013-03-09, 13:24   Link #60
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If you're correct in your assessment that people are laughing at you constantly then it might be for others reasons.
yes, there are other reasons. like when i said tobi would be a mixture of obito and zetsu and that he and kakashi both use kamui and would have the same MS design...
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