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View Poll Results: Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo - Episode 22 Rating
Perfect 10 20 54.05%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 11 29.73%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 4 10.81%
7 out of 10 : Good 2 5.41%
6 out of 10 : Average 0 0%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
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Old 2013-03-11, 23:59   Link #21
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Okay, how many of the people here who have experience with public transit train stations could kind of see the bit with Mashiro showing up on Sorata's side of the platform coming after he didn't see her on the other side after the train left?

Also, anyone think making those train windows non transparent was kind of cheap? :P
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Old 2013-03-12, 00:06   Link #22
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Okay, how many of the people here who have experience with public transit train stations could kind of see the bit with Mashiro showing up on Sorata's side of the platform coming after he didn't see her on the other side after the train left?

Also, anyone think making those train windows non transparent was kind of cheap? :P
It's entirely possible but not because of the glass, but rather if it was packed full of people.
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Old 2013-03-12, 00:15   Link #23
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Suki = Likes.
Except right after he said, "Dai Suki", which would reaffirm what he previously said, "suki", and is the intention of saying he "loves' her. It was absolutely a confession of love and not just like. A moot point, I know, since the story's ending choice is very obvious at this point.

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^Jin and Misaki have been hanging out for years and nothing happened until recently, but there was no friendzone between them
The thing with Jin and Misaki is that they have always had affection for each other, so there is no friendzone with them. Sorata has never had that type of affection for Nanami, as far as I can tell.
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Old 2013-03-12, 00:17   Link #24
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Except right after he said, "Dai Suki", which would reaffirm what he previously said, "suki", and is the intention of saying he "loves' her. It was absolutely a confession of love and not just like. A moot point, I know, since the story's ending choice is very obvious at this point.
Putting 'dai' in front of 'suki' doesn't really change much other than for emphasis

But yes it's a moot point so you know- whatever lol
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Old 2013-03-12, 00:29   Link #25
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The thing with Jin and Misaki is that they have always had affection for each other, so there is no friendzone with them. Sorata has never had that type of affection for Nanami, as far as I can tell.
Yes, but neither had Sorata really showed that sort of affection for Shiina up until this point. The interactions he had with Shiina were similar to the ones he had with Nanami, notwithstanding a few immaterial differences due to various quirks. And as I've mentioned earlier, Jin and Misaki have shown stronger romantic interactions than Sorata and Shiina have.

In any case, my post was directed more towards mayid's condescending tone towards Nanami supporters. My argument is that justifications do exist for a Nanami end as well, and that it is reasonable for others to have seen things differently even though the author decided to go for a Shiina end.
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Old 2013-03-12, 00:55   Link #26
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Yes, but neither had Sorata really showed that sort of affection for Shiina up until this point. The interactions he had with Shiina were similar to the ones he had with Nanami, notwithstanding a few immaterial differences due to various quirks. And as I've mentioned earlier, Jin and Misaki have shown stronger romantic interactions than Sorata and Shiina have.

In any case, my post was directed more towards mayid's condescending tone towards Nanami supporters. My argument is that justifications do exist for a Nanami end as well, and that it is reasonable for others to have seen things differently even though the author decided to go for a Shiina end.
I was happy with both girls ending, except I never really did think at any point that Nanami had a chance. I love her work hard attitude. At so many points in the anime, I wanted to just hug her and say, "it's ok". However, if I had to choose between who I feel more protective towards, it would be Mashiro. She brings out the "I want to do things for her" more than Nanami does. Nanami is the more "I want hold her when she is down to support her". Who would push me to be the better person? As Sorata said, Mashiro pushed him to become better.

Back to the Sorata, Mashiro, and Nanami versus Jin and Misaki. Sorata and Mashiro just started, so it is believable that it will take time for their feelings to develop. Sorata and Nanami had 2 years to develop, but Sorata did not show any thought of it. Jin has always thought of Misaki. Misaki has always thought of Jin. In fact, Misaki has been showing her feelings for Jin for quite some time, so friendzone was very unlikely.

Would it have been possible for Sorata and Nanami to get together? Yes, if Mashiro never showed up and Nanami confessed earlier. However, those 2 things combined not happening ended things the way they are right now.
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Old 2013-03-12, 01:23   Link #27
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And so the Nanamin ship sinks. =(
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Old 2013-03-12, 02:40   Link #28
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Would it have been possible for Sorata and Nanami to get together? Yes, if Mashiro never showed up and Nanami confessed earlier. However, those 2 things combined not happening ended things the way they are right now.
I think it would have been possible even with Shiina showing up before any confession took place. The turning point to me was when Sorata and Nanami were hugging under the tree in the last episode. That was pretty much the last opportunity for Nanami to confess, and she didn't. That was the nail in the coffin because as things stand, the author doesn't have room to carry out a reversal before the end of the story.

Before the last episode though, it was fair game between the two.
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Old 2013-03-12, 02:47   Link #29
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Before the last episode though, it was fair game between the two.
Yes, Nanami could have confessed then. However, would Sorata accept her feelings, though? He was under a lot of duress then, and a confession would just really confuse him. Also, Nanami has already noticed it since the Christmas Eve episode. Sorata will always jump right into it whenever it involves Mashiro, without a second thought. At that point, Sorata has already leaned towards Mashiro. I believe Nanami's last real chance to have him consider her was at that Christmas Eve, before Mashiro was brought up. She still had hope after that, but not much of a chance.
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Old 2013-03-12, 03:39   Link #30
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Yes, Nanami could have confessed then. However, would Sorata accept her feelings, though? He was under a lot of duress then, and a confession would just really confuse him. Also, Nanami has already noticed it since the Christmas Eve episode. Sorata will always jump right into it whenever it involves Mashiro, without a second thought. At that point, Sorata has already leaned towards Mashiro. I believe Nanami's last real chance to have him consider her was at that Christmas Eve, before Mashiro was brought up. She still had hope after that, but not much of a chance.
At that point, the author probably could have written an acceptance in a reasonable manner, perhaps not immediately, but over a period of time. Sorata had not made an explicit decision by then, and there was indeed room for a shift without having it come from out of left field.

Don't forget, this entire discussion stems from mayid's post, in which he claimed that there was no connection between Sorata and Nanami, and completely put down the views of Nanami supporters. In this regard, what we're looking for is at what point does a Nanami end become so illogical that it is virtually impossible. Before that point, it would be fair game for both sides. To me, this would be last episode.

There are some stories where the end is so clear from the very beginning that only the set of arguments in support of one character is correct, while those supporting any other character are all wrong. An example of this would be Sailor Moon, where the main couple is so obvious from the very beginning that no other end would have been possible. Sakurasou isn't one of those stories.
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Old 2013-03-12, 03:48   Link #31
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In this regard, what we're looking for is at what point does a Nanami end become so illogical that it is virtually impossible. Before that point, it would be fair game for both sides. To me, this would be last episode.
There is always a way for the author to have Nanami go back in the game. One approach would be to have some sort of crisis where Mashiro returns back to England and she cannot go back to Japan. At that point, Sorata will have to move on, which will eventually lead an opening for Nanami to move in.

As far as virtually impossible, it is really hard for the story to ever get to a point where it is virtually impossible for this type of genre. Even in real life, when people are friendzoned, it is still possible to go into romance under the right circumstances.

As far as looking at the overall view of the story, it would have seem that the initial episode already had Mashiro marked as the end girl; however, to prove that it is virtually impossible to end with Nanami cannot happen until the story ends and Sorata marries someone (even then, they could expand the story with Sorata getting divorced and ending up with Nanami).
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Old 2013-03-12, 03:59   Link #32
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There are some stories where the end is so clear from the very beginning that only the set of arguments in support of one character is correct, while those supporting any other character are all wrong. An example of this would be Sailor Moon, where the main couple is so obvious from the very beginning that no other end would have been possible. Sakurasou isn't one of those stories.
I do think it has been obvious that the author was always going to let Mashiro win. Simply because of something small that happened in the first episode. When they first met the blossom leafs fell into a heart shape, which made the author intentions pretty clear to me already. Throughout this all I always have seen him treating Aoyama as a friend rather than a romantic interest. Might be just me though as I suppose it comes down to how you interpret their interactions. He always seemed to show more romantic interest in Mashiro. I will grant you that their interactions has been on a similar level, but just not in a similar way.

Back on topic: it was a good episode for me. I especially liked how Sorata his apologies to Mashiro was animated. That scene felt great.
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Old 2013-03-12, 04:04   Link #33
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There is always a way for the author to have Nanami go back in the game. One approach would be to have some sort of crisis where Mashiro returns back to England and she cannot go back to Japan. At that point, Sorata will have to move on, which will eventually lead an opening for Nanami to move in.

As far as virtually impossible, it is really hard for the story to ever get to a point where it is virtually impossible for this type of genre. Even in real life, when people are friendzoned, it is still possible to go into romance under the right circumstances.

As far as looking at the overall view of the story, it would have seem that the initial episode already had Mashiro marked as the end girl; however, to prove that it is virtually impossible to end with Nanami cannot happen until the story ends and Sorata marries someone (even then, they could expand the story with Sorata getting divorced and ending up with Nanami).
Yes, in fact that is what happened with Ichigo 100%. The mangaka intended for the main girl, Toujou, to be the end girl, but the story was much more popular than she expected. In order to extend the story a little longer, the mangaka ended up doing a complete reversal such that one of the other girls was in the lead when it was time to end the story, thus winning at the end.

This happens in manga and light novels due to the impact of commercial factors that sometimes influence the story. Even a popular Western novel like Harry Potter was also affected by commercial considerations, since the author mentioned in an interview that she decided to spare a character from death due to his popularity.

The way I see it, that's simply the nature of the rom-com genre. There can only be one particularly ending, be it with a single girl or multiple, but a number of endings are generally plausible before that. For this reason, I don't view such stories as having one set route. If I'm right in my predictions, then great, but I acknowledge that the people who predicted the other girls had valid reasons for doing so and that they could very well have been right had the author decided so, or if the story ended at a different point than intended like with Ichigo 100%.
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Old 2013-03-12, 04:47   Link #34
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Aoyama was never in the game. Sorata never saw her like that. So stop whining, get over it and move one.


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Great episode.
Aoyama finally got the clue.
Sorat confessed his feelings.
Seeing Shiinas painting and understanding that she doesn't see herself with them was sad.
The whole scene at the train station was beautifully done.

The only thing left is the Kiss.

This episode gets a "very Good" from me.
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Old 2013-03-12, 04:56   Link #35
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And so the Nanamin ship sinks. =(

The one thing I hate about rom-coms like this one: Plots as predictable as the Sun rising in the East.
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Old 2013-03-12, 06:36   Link #36
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@frivolity go see all the episodes again:

I think you dont understand the anime. Were does Sorata in all the episodes shows love afection for Nanami? give me one example.If you cant then you are just crying about that it didnt end how you wanted it to end. That is another discussion.

Let me enlighten you: some people here are really stubborn:

1. In the first episode when Sorata saw Mashiro he was amazed to see such a girl (he thought she was perfect and didnt know why she came to Sakurasao)
2. In the episodes after he began to understand who she realy is and wanted to do his best also.
3. He became frustrated if he didnt succeed.
4. He became jealous of her talent.
5. The episode at the airport he realy thought she was gonna leave. He realized how he cared for her. Only the most retarded thing the author did is reset the feelings of Sorata after this episode. it was like after that episode everthying began from zero again between Mashiro and Sorata.
6. Sorata keeps going with jealous route.
7. Until the point Mashiro knew she was the one at fault (even if Sorata was the evil one here).
8. Then he realized his mistake and he he knew that it wasnt only jealousy that he had for her.

So now let us see nanami:

1. She was the clasmate first.
2. Didnt life at Sakurasao till later.
3. She loved Sorata but were the F... did we see that he loved her.
4. Sorata is just a helpfull guy and wants to help friends in need. But i didnt saw it like he loved
her.
5. Did Sorata realy showed love afection at Nanami.
6. The only moment was when he went on a date with her but He Rushed at Mashiro (there was a hint).

The problem with this anime is that because Nanami has been showed to much that it was that we thought that he would choose her. You people have not convicied me with proof from all the episodes that Sorata realy had love for her.

And please dont come with but mother said she is the best choise. Because that is just rubish proof.

So i will say it again i havent seen a episode where i could conclude that he was going to choose her. If you realy think he did show me the proof.

Besides i will repeat it again this anime was from the beginning about Mashiro and Sorata. Only i think the author as made a mistake by deliting the whole feelings between them after the airport and it felt like in episode 13 the whole thing between them being close has started from zero. I think he did this for the sake of character devolpment but it was a bit retarded to my point of view.

@frivolity The things that happend have shown that Sorata was moved by Mashiro in all the episodes and that she has changed him. He admited it at the station.

There is your proof of the affection he had for Mashiro. Something like that i didnt see that happening with Nanami. It was more like helping a friend the whole anime in the situations with nanami

But you saw it as a love possibility. But it isnt. I think you have misunderstood the plot here.

So love possibility with Mashiro was more stronger than it was with Nanami for my point of vieuw.
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Old 2013-03-12, 06:54   Link #37
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^At no point have I said that Sorata shows affection for Nanami. What I said was that Sorata has not shown affection for either of them. So no, the onus is on you to show evidence that Sorata's actions towards Shiina had romantic underpinnings that did not apply to any of his actions towards Nanami.

The points that you have listed above are not indicative of affection by Sorata towards Shiina, and are essentially similar to what he had with Nanami. Motivate him to work harder? Both girls did. Develop an understanding of the girls? Goes for both of them. Help them with their troubles? He did that for both to varying degrees depending on their needs. Basically, if you take the speech he made at the station in this episode and modified it for the hugging scene in the previous episode, it could still make sense.

Of course, there can only be one girl at the end for this series, and the author chose Shiina. So be it. My point is that it could have gone the other way as well and retained a logical structure. The author had put foundations for it to have gone either way, as any author of a rom-com would do, and supporters on both sides had valid arguments even though obviously only one side is left standing at the end.
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Old 2013-03-12, 07:31   Link #38
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^At no point have I said that Sorata shows affection for Nanami. What I said was that Sorata has not shown affection for either of them. So no, the onus is on you to show evidence that Sorata's actions towards Shiina had romantic underpinnings that did not apply to any of his actions towards Nanami.

The points that you have listed above are not indicative of affection by Sorata towards Shiina, and are essentially similar to what he had with Nanami. Motivate him to work harder? Both girls did. Develop an understanding of the girls? Goes for both of them. Help them with their troubles? He did that for both to varying degrees depending on their needs. Basically, if you take the speech he made at the station in this episode and modified it for the hugging scene in the previous episode, it could still make sense.

Of course, there can only be one girl at the end for this series, and the author chose Shiina. So be it. My point is that it could have gone the other way as well and retained a logical structure. The author had put foundations for it to have gone either way, as any author of a rom-com would do, and supporters on both sides had valid arguments even though obviously only one side is left standing at the end.
I really think you dont understand me and the anime itself. Let me make something clear here:

1. When did Sorata get the movtivation to work harder? from he met Mashiro or when Aoyama began to life in Sakurasao? '

Answer: noo, when Mashiro met Sorata. And he already knew Nanami but he was still a person who didnt know what to do with his life. he even confirmed it in this episode.

2. When did Sorata want to do smething with his life and realized he is just nothing at that moment?

Answer: Yes, when he saw that Mashiro was a genius and wanted also to be a genius. And when he saw that whole Sakurasao were geniusus. And then Nanami didnt life at Sakurasao.

Conclusion: the most important motivation came not from Nanami because she was introduced later in the dorm Sakurasao. So i think you misunderstood it here.


For your information the hug with Nanami can not be compared with the confesion at the station. Know that at that time he also have heard that his game was rejected. So he also was fucked up inside. So he also wanted someone to feel miserable with him.

If that is the reason why you think that there were love between them then it is a stupid reason.

YOU havent confinced me yet. All the reason you gave a just rubish.

I Repeat it again: There was no love between Sorata and Namami (only onsided). And Mashiro and Sorata there was love and the actions are talking for themselfs. Go watch the anime. You have just failed to explain it.
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Old 2013-03-12, 08:11   Link #39
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Aoyama essentially said Good Game to Mashiro in the game of love in this episode. And it was said in an incredibly awesome way.

I think what Sorata had in mind with Nanami was a love not of the "Eros" or romantic variant, but rather a love of "Phileo". To Sorata, Nanami is a very dear friend, but not a romantic possibility. And Nanami has more or less ceded to that in favor of Mashiro.

I am seriously suspecting that Plan C is Polygamous in nature. The "I will not approve of Polygamy" comes strongly to mind here.
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