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Old 2013-03-13, 14:42   Link #26961
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first Argentine pope
So he's an old white guy from a different part of the world. .

Haven't all the Popes been European?
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Old 2013-03-13, 14:47   Link #26962
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slightly younger, looks less like Gollum or Palpatine... that's about it?
by some reason he remind me to darth vader
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Old 2013-03-13, 15:46   Link #26963
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So he's an old white guy from a different part of the world. .

Haven't all the Popes been European?
The news I was listening to says he's Italian Argentinian.
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Old 2013-03-13, 15:50   Link #26964
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The news I was listening to says he's Italian Argentinian.
His father is Italian.
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Old 2013-03-13, 15:50   Link #26965
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...teen-key-facts

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What we know about Pope Francis

• He likes to travel by bus.

• He has lived for more than 50 years with one functioning lung. He had the other removed as a young man because of infection.

• He is the son of an Italian railway worker.

• He trained as a chemist.

• He is the first non-European pope in the modern era.

• He claims that adoption by homosexuals is a form of discrimination against children but believes that condoms "can be permissible" to prevent infection.

• In 2001 he washed and kissed the feet of Aids patients in a hospice.

• He speaks fluent Italian, as well as Spanish and German.

• Until now he has been living in a small flat, eschewing a formal bishop's residence.

• He told Argentinians not to travel to Rome to celebrate if he was appointed but to give their money to the poor instead.

• He is believed to have been the runner-up in the last papal conclave in 2005.

• He has co-written a book, in Spanish, called Sobre el Cielo y la Tierra (On Heaven and Earth). You can buy it on Kindle.

• Though conservative on church doctrine, he has criticised priests who refuse to baptise babies born to single mothers.
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Old 2013-03-13, 15:51   Link #26966
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by some reason he remind me to darth vader
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Old 2013-03-13, 20:59   Link #26967
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Not really news but a article on Japan's history classes and the different views on history.
What Japanese history lessons leave out

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Japanese people often fail to understand why neighbouring countries harbour a grudge over events that happened in the 1930s and 40s. The reason, in many cases, is that they barely learned any 20th Century history. I myself only got a full picture when I left Japan and went to school in Australia.
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Old 2013-03-13, 21:14   Link #26968
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Exclusive: U.S. plans to let spy agencies scour Americans' finances
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...92C12720130313
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The Obama administration is drawing up plans to give all U.S. spy agencies full access to a massive database that contains financial data on American citizens and others who bank in the country, according to a Treasury Department document seen by Reuters.
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Old 2013-03-13, 21:30   Link #26969
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That was fast....

And not exactly reassuring...
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Old 2013-03-13, 21:47   Link #26970
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So he's an old white guy from a different part of the world. .

Haven't all the Popes been European?
Some ancient Popes were Byzantine-Greek, so you might consider them Middle Eastern, if not, then yes all have been European. Actually the history of the papacy is pretty interesting. We all know of the important role of the Pope in the Middle Ages, but the position originated from obscurity up until the time of Constantine, and did not really take on its regal, authoritative nature until much later.
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Old 2013-03-13, 21:49   Link #26971
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That was fast....

And not exactly reassuring...
I feel reassured, a last a pope that speaks my language
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Old 2013-03-13, 22:47   Link #26972
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I feel reassured, a last a pope that speaks my language
I believe all popes do. Otherwise how are they going order tacos?

Then again, I wonder how the British and the Church of England are going to react over this. Maybe they use an orange ball in the next national friendly with Argentina?
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Old 2013-03-13, 22:50   Link #26973
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That was fast....

And not exactly reassuring...
No Angels and Demons incident?
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Old 2013-03-13, 22:59   Link #26974
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I believe all popes do. Otherwise how are they going order tacos?
Spanish, like Japanese, is very easy to speak phonetically; some people think popes speak fluently several languages when truth be told they have their speeches written phonetically for them. You can translate to phonetical here
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Old 2013-03-13, 23:17   Link #26975
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Argentine is like the whitest Latin America.
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Old 2013-03-14, 00:18   Link #26976
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That was fast....

And not exactly reassuring...
Indeed, that's also my feeling. The problem is that the Roman Catholic Church has to face several problems and bring in new ideas on how to solve those problems. I was expecting a much younger cardinal to get the nod considering how stressful Papacy is becoming.

I will not lie by saying that I was favoring my home province's Marc Ouellet. It's not only because he's from Quebec, but it's also because he's only 63 and because people thought after Benedict XVI that we'd have a Pope reigning for a longer stretch of time. At the very same time, I was also expecting Peter Turkson (age 64) from Ghana and Odilo Scherer (age 63) from Brazil to be excellent choices as well considering that both are quite moderate on several subjects.
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Old 2013-03-14, 01:11   Link #26977
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That was fast....

And not exactly reassuring...
My understanding is he was the runner up to Benedict the last time, which if true, would explain why they were so fast to pick him this time around.

In other news, Vernoica Mars is getting a movie after smashing the record books on Kickstarter.

I wasn't ever a big fan of the show (though do really enjoy watching Bell on screen), but it's interesting to see a cult favorite TV series succeed in resurrecting itself for a movie at least, via crowdfunding (and the potential for other cult favorite tv shows to get around being axed is intriguing). Though I have to wonder what kind of movie $2 million actually allows you to make (Bell alone would probably cost more than that if this was any other movie, I'd assume). I'm hoping the $2 million was more for leverage to show there was real interest for the project to get other potential donors and investors to back the film, than a, "we're going to make a $2 million movie".
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Old 2013-03-14, 04:50   Link #26978
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Not exactly a Catholic politics junkie, but another theological conservative?

In a time of great moral crisis, that's the battle the Church picks? Gays and contraceptives?

How about reform? How about openness and transparency? How about making their inroads into the Global South -- symbolized by the election of this Argentine -- really count by aligning with the world's poor? Liberation theology is still a taboo...

Humble "good guys" do shit to save the world, lead by example or not. This Pope does not appear to be a fervent reformer. Well, I hope I'll be badly proven wrong and Francis will prove as momentous as John Paul II, and less conservative. I wouldn't bet my money on it though.
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Old 2013-03-14, 07:42   Link #26979
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How ironic, a few days after the Falkland Islands referendum voted to stay with Britain and not be part of Argentina, an Argentinian is voted as the new Pope.
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Old 2013-03-14, 09:26   Link #26980
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I was expecting a much younger cardinal to get the nod considering how stressful Papacy is becoming.
Nate Silver has a posting on his 538 blog at the New York Times on the ages of recent Popes. Francis appears to be the ninth oldest at election of the 255 Bishops of Rome. Nate speculates that perhaps many of the voting cardinals want to have the chance to appoint another Pope in the years ahead. Also Benedict's decision to step down could set a precedent that might lead to pressures on Francis to follow in his precedessor's footsteps if the Argentine starts to display the effects of aging.

Silver also presents this graph of the trends in their ages dating back to 1500. Popes elected since 1800 were considerably younger than those elected in the past couple of decades and served much longer terms.



One can see this trend as an effort by the cardinals to have more control over the Popes they elect.
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