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Old 2013-03-18, 03:49   Link #141
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The only reason they passed the forest of death was due to outside help (and also outside interference). Team 8 and Lee both helped against Sound, Orochimaru also gave Sasuke the seal which helped against Sound as well, then Kabuto (working for Orochimaru) helped to get them to the tower. In many respects, without Orochimaru's help Team 7 would have never left the forest
The only reason they had so much trouble in the forest of death is because they had to fight Orochimaru right off the bat. If Orochimaru hadn't interfered, Sasuke and Naruto would have been fine and they would have defeated the Sound trio either way.

Sasuke was later constantly in pain because of the Cursed Seal trying to take him over. Without it, he would have done a lot better.

Everything in the Forest of Death is Orochimaru's manipulation. He attacked them and then made sure they passed by having Kabuto help them out.
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Old 2013-03-18, 18:06   Link #142
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So... basically when Kakashi does something great, he is awesome, and when Kakashi fails at something, it's suddenly the author's fault.
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Old 2013-03-19, 00:32   Link #143
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The only reason they had so much trouble in the forest of death is because they had to fight Orochimaru right off the bat. If Orochimaru hadn't interfered, Sasuke and Naruto would have been fine and they would have defeated the Sound trio either way.

Sasuke was later constantly in pain because of the Cursed Seal trying to take him over. Without it, he would have done a lot better.

Everything in the Forest of Death is Orochimaru's manipulation. He attacked them and then made sure they passed by having Kabuto help them out.
IF....
IF Orochimaru didnt interfere maybe Gaara would've found them.
We all know that it would almost certainly mean the end of team 7 at that point.

No miracle Sharingan or chakra Kyuubi outburst would've saved them (unless an explosion of tails..) Gaara was at that point probably at a level to compete with some jounin.

Another thing... if Tobirama wanted to leave why make such a scene?
He also has a space-time jutsu right which he can use to teleport? Just like Minato.
Who can still teach Naruto sealing techniques and Hiraishin. But then... would Sasuke stand a chance?

One last thing...
Is it true or did anyone notice that the power of the Sharingan has been greatly decreased since before the timeskip?

The Sharingan was at that point able to copy anything.
Allowed the user to dodge anything. (Sasuke was so much better vs Naruto after the 3rd dot, in the manga we saw how he could predict his movements)
But... somehow it seems to have no effect anymore because...

Sasuke didnt or couldnt predict that his MS genjutsu wouldnt work on Killerbee (his neck got sliced)
Hashirama and Tobirama fought and his Sharingan didnt seem to give him the upperhand. (Short battle)
Sasuke barely survived his battle against Deidara and mister cripple ANBU.

Instead of just using a Sharingan which Oro dreams of... Sasuke still makes Oro horny. Anyways as i mentioned the prediction thing... of the Sharingan seems to have reduced abilities during the series. Is this also a shared conclusion?
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Old 2013-03-19, 02:48   Link #144
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Uhhh, while I take any excuse to call the sharingan crappy, you have to remember that it can't copy unique jutsu.
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Old 2013-03-19, 03:16   Link #145
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IF....
IF Orochimaru didnt interfere maybe Gaara would've found them.
We all know that it would almost certainly mean the end of team 7 at that point.

No miracle Sharingan or chakra Kyuubi outburst would've saved them (unless an explosion of tails..) Gaara was at that point probably at a level to compete with some jounin.

Another thing... if Tobirama wanted to leave why make such a scene?
He also has a space-time jutsu right which he can use to teleport? Just like Minato.
Who can still teach Naruto sealing techniques and Hiraishin. But then... would Sasuke stand a chance?

One last thing...
Is it true or did anyone notice that the power of the Sharingan has been greatly decreased since before the timeskip?

The Sharingan was at that point able to copy anything.
Allowed the user to dodge anything. (Sasuke was so much better vs Naruto after the 3rd dot, in the manga we saw how he could predict his movements)
But... somehow it seems to have no effect anymore because...

Sasuke didnt or couldnt predict that his MS genjutsu wouldnt work on Killerbee (his neck got sliced)
Hashirama and Tobirama fought and his Sharingan didnt seem to give him the upperhand. (Short battle)
Sasuke barely survived his battle against Deidara and mister cripple ANBU.

Instead of just using a Sharingan which Oro dreams of... Sasuke still makes Oro horny. Anyways as i mentioned the prediction thing... of the Sharingan seems to have reduced abilities during the series. Is this also a shared conclusion?
If they hadn't encountered Orochimaru, they'd still have the Heaven Scroll. I'm pretty sure the Sand Trio had the Heaven Scroll as well. I think that if they didn't provoke Gaara, Kankurou and Temari would have convinced him that it's a waste of time and to leave them alone.

But anyways, all of that is pure speculation. I don't think Team 7 and Team Sand were even remotely close, because they didn't seem to hear the loud screams of agony from Team Shigure.
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Old 2013-03-19, 07:41   Link #146
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Chapter spoilers ahve been released early. New thread is now open.
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