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Old 2013-03-20, 08:24   Link #5081
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ep.11

finally yea baby after some wait we see & well hey oarai smoke screen trick moves with student council doing sneaky turtles attack.

to lead battle stand on a mountain hill more sneaky turtles attack & which miho's sister sidekick going like rage it all in.

then river drive til rabbit tank have probs til miho who leapt through tanks to rescue the bunny & on to the bridge so do city battle.

til oh (bleep) it'a MAUS tank cue it own'd stomp both clones officers tanks & history team tanks.

1eps left to go.
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Old 2013-03-20, 08:48   Link #5082
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Well, they aren't perfect, but compared to KMM's showing they are. Besides, they do pull some nice stunts in towing the Tiger in formation, in smoke.

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By the time Ep10 rolls around, KMM already has a undeniable trend of underachievement. Do you really think they should win?
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The show is clearly portraying Blackforest as a team that is less diciplined or skilled than we expected them to be.

Yes, they were champions for a long time. But the Nishizumi Style had the glaring issue of focusing on the hardware rather than the crew. Maho is trained, no doubt tutored by her mum at home. But it seems the rest of her crew did not have the same level of proficiency.

I dare say the argument is that currently the Orrai team have better-trained crew. IF they win, it would be because BlackForest dropped the ball and isn't as elite as their expensive tanks suggested.
See, this is the funny thing, what was KMM fielding against Pravda last year? A Tiger, yes, but also Pz3's .. I'm not sure you can clearly say that the kit they had was much more advanced. Right, they lost that year .. was it Miho's fault? Maybe, maybe not. Not going to debate that .. but let's raise one question: KMM has clearly been the undisputed champions until now.. How could they accomplish it with their old kit if their tactics are really so awful?

So that's the odd bit, if KMM's tactics are so bad, where did Miho learn what she learned? Something isn't jiving properly vis-a-vis KMM's performance and their historical record. Either the storytellers are making a convincing showing of KMM deserving to lose or there are other circumstances, ala "forced conscription" + "tons of new vehicles" involved. It'll be interesting how this all ends. That said, it's interesting seeing the Hetzer, it reminded me of infantry fieldcraft - "Grenade!" *scatter*
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Old 2013-03-20, 08:59   Link #5083
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So that's the odd bit, if KMM's tactics are so bad, where did Miho learn what she learned? Something isn't jiving properly vis-a-vis KMM's performance and their historical record. Either the storytellers are making a convincing showing of KMM deserving to lose or there are other circumstances, ala "forced conscription" + "tons of new vehicles" involved. It'll be interesting how this all ends. That said, it's interesting seeing the Hetzer, it reminded me of infantry fieldcraft - "Grenade!" *scatter*
I'm thinking along the lines of KMM got complacent, so to speak. "If we go up against Pravda, we do X, X, and X. If we go up against Saunders, we do X, X, and X." Their tactics worked, perhaps because the other teams became predictable as well. Along comes Miho who, as far as I can see, is thinking a bit outside the box, and has a will to win, and throws their accepted plans out the window.

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Old 2013-03-20, 09:12   Link #5084
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Old 2013-03-20, 09:28   Link #5085
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Not really. Those vehicles were mostly lost to German STuG IIIs. The German heavies were best off firing at targets at long ranges (1000+m). In cities, they lose that most important advantage so they're best employed outside of them.
The Stug III chose as the front liner cuz the extreme low silhouette height it helps to keep stay hidden from enemy pry.

German heavy tanks always victim from Allied air power and the slow performance cant escape from concentrate artillery barrage so they cant engage at open area even they counter attack they always failed from airpower and artillery. They found out the best for heavy tank is defensive mode. The Allied tankers always fear engaging head-on at the congested areas.
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Old 2013-03-20, 09:41   Link #5086
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Old 2013-03-20, 10:10   Link #5087
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Man I'd love to see an English version of the Hitler rant on the Maus... that'd be hilarious!
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Old 2013-03-20, 10:13   Link #5088
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Old 2013-03-20, 10:16   Link #5089
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For how bad they had it, it could've been much, much worse...
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One wonders if Krupp's designers somehow did not get their hands on a Metal Slug game or something....
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Old 2013-03-20, 10:38   Link #5090
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See, this is the funny thing, what was KMM fielding against Pravda last year? A Tiger, yes, but also Pz3's .. I'm not sure you can clearly say that the kit they had was much more advanced. Right, they lost that year .. was it Miho's fault? Maybe, maybe not. Not going to debate that .. but let's raise one question: KMM has clearly been the undisputed champions until now.. How could they accomplish it with their old kit if their tactics are really so awful?
Remember that their "old kit", which had 10 Panthers, a Tiger, a Jadgtiger, probably the 6 Jadgpanzer IVs that showed up this year too and 2 PzIIIs that definitely exists was stronger compared to even the big school's lineups that they could have been subsisting for quite a while on that alone.

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So that's the odd bit, if KMM's tactics are so bad, where did Miho learn what she learned?
Self study? It can't be from learning from Shiho!

She's always been quite conscientious. Remember at first she was conscripted into the Senshado elective? She immediately goes to check the rusted out Panzer IV. She denies the commander's post but starts directing more and more anyway? Definitely not doing the minimum, this lady.

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Something isn't jiving properly vis-a-vis KMM's performance and their historical record. Either the storytellers are making a convincing showing of KMM deserving to lose or there are other circumstances, ala "forced conscription" + "tons of new vehicles" involved. It'll be interesting how this all ends. That said, it's interesting seeing the Hetzer, it reminded me of infantry fieldcraft - "Grenade!" *scatter*
I just don't buy the "forced conscription" theory because for one thing KMM is supposed to be Senshado, central at least by reputation and should have lots of willing recruits. They even have not only a Senshado elective but a kikouka (Armor Department). In any case, since they were in the nationals last year, they would have 20 tanks last year and 20 tanks this year, so the crew requirements don't change significantly.

As for the vehicle swapout theory, you might remember Oarai's crews didn't even see tanks until quite recently. It was possible to train them up and is no excuse. Not to mention that they didn't seem to swap out that many tanks (1 Pz III became a Maus, and 4 Panthers were apparently translated into King Tigers (which is still a tank), 1 Ferdinand and 1 Jadgtiger), so it doesn't explain the general panic and incompetence and failure to use even the radio...

Besides, the "they've been sucking for a long time" theory better explains how Maho almost managed to lose to primary-schoolers (and since KMM only gets worse away from Maho, it implies that Miho's primary school tank crew would have p3wned most of KMM middle school's Senshado crews - it also suggests the start of Miho as a great trainer, while Maho is much less so)

Further, there was no reason to depict the Ch6 endscene the way they did if they want to make KMM look tough. OK, it is obvious Chi-Ha Tan school must use Japanese tanks, and WWII Japanese tanks were generally nothing to write home about. Still, they could have had some Type-1, Type-4, Type-5 and for fun maybe even a O-1 so they almost look like a challenge. But no, it is a bunch of Chi-Has and a "KO"-tank, who apparently decide to blitz KMM's line (thus implying the captain to be less than a tactical genius). The entire scene looks superficially to be a complete KMM truimph but on 2nd look shows how hollow the victory is.

They are very systematic about this and at least in my view there is no reason not to accept their guidance.
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Old 2013-03-20, 10:44   Link #5091
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I'm just facepalming at how people think running the big cats is as easy as running the smaller tanks.
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Old 2013-03-20, 11:24   Link #5092
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More overkill please. There's room for E-100 and a Maus for Black Forest Peak to field at this rate...
I can't believe that I actually got this one right. (ha-)

Anyways, the tally count in total right now is 22 tanks, if the billboard's correct. There should be 8 Panthers in all, 1 knocked out. (If it were 6, then the total count of 20 stands)
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Old 2013-03-20, 11:58   Link #5093
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The visual end count is still 20 tanks.

15 in formation at the end, 3 taken out by Ooarai, and the 2 in town. I don't think we ever see more than 6 Panthers.

Plus the rules we are given say 20 tanks max. for the Finals.
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Old 2013-03-20, 13:17   Link #5094
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The minute I saw that Panzer III, I thought, "Okay, what's the trap this time? " Then came that big chunk of metal known as the Maus...
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Old 2013-03-20, 13:25   Link #5095
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The minute I saw that Panzer III, I thought, "Okay, what's the trap this time? " Then came that big chunk of metal known as the Maus...
That was brilliant. It also shows Maho had been studying. Either that, or she knows exactly what her sister is going to pull due to their longtime partnership.

Miho's past strategies consisted of the same tactic, which partially contributed to her victories against Saunders & Pravda.

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Old 2013-03-20, 13:32   Link #5096
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Since it was near the end of the episode, the idea that it was a trap was noticable. The problem is, with the number of tanks possible in the Finals, there can only be one other tank in the town other than the Panzer III. With the firepower Miho has with her, there isn't any single tank of that era that should be able to clean them up (though several that could snipe her flag tank), and only a few would be proof against the 88mm on the Tiger (P).

But they brought a Maus. The one tank Ooarai has can't deal with. Even the Jadgtiger and Tiger IIs could be dealt with from some angles at close range. The Maus? Aside from tracking it or forcing it to break itself or run out of fuel....there is nothing Miho's forces can do against that thing.

If it was anything else but a Maus, Miho's seven tanks would be able to take care of it and the Panzer III. Thus there was no reason for caution on Miho's part.

The Maus has to be a new addition. Not only would Miho have been thinking "where is the Maus" if they did, but Yukari would have seen one move before if anyone what operating the thing (she's the tank nut, so she watches the finals. She's never seen one move before). And a Maus would certainly stop any Pravda tanks. Even their IS-2 wouldn't go through that thing's armor. It is armored as thick as a pre-Great War Armored Cruiser, those would basically be battleship designed cruisers with armor as thick as their main armaments. Those usually being 8 inch guns. While a Maus has basically a 5 inch gun, its armor is much thicker than that.
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Old 2013-03-20, 13:57   Link #5097
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The Maus has to be a new addition. Not only would Miho have been thinking "where is the Maus" if they did, but Yukari would have seen one move before if anyone what operating the thing (she's the tank nut, so she watches the finals. She's never seen one move before). And a Maus would certainly stop any Pravda tanks. Even their IS-2 wouldn't go through that thing's armor. It is armored as thick as a pre-Great War Armored Cruiser, those would basically be battleship designed cruisers with armor as thick as their main armaments. Those usually being 8 inch guns. While a Maus has basically a 5 inch gun, its armor is much thicker than that.
From the Pravda duo's reaction though, I am guessing they probably knew about it.

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Old 2013-03-20, 14:03   Link #5098
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Btw dont forget the possibility that everything is just according Mipporin's keikaku, including the MAUS
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Old 2013-03-20, 14:04   Link #5099
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Just knew...if they already know from some time ago they most likely already prepared a counter for that monster...does Russia have a counter for that monster?
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Old 2013-03-20, 14:07   Link #5100
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Knowing what a Maus is, and what it means to be there, does not mean they knew Black Forest had one before the match. Though one assumes the audiance can see all the tanks on their screens unless the film and tech crews are being clever and the broadcast announcer is not doing a good job. One would think this sport would have at least interesting coverage (speaking of which, I wonder how close the TV cameras were when the audiance was watching Miho leap from tank to tank...and how the Hetzer crew were watching it when they were back preparing to mess with Maho's tanks over a mile away.

One might assume that the purchase of such a thing would be in the sports papers.
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