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Old 2013-03-23, 04:12   Link #3881
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Morisaki aside...
To those who know more of the story thus far, we have a question
In ch14 during the conversation between Miyuki and her mother, Was the surgery done to Tatsuya physical base or by magic?
Did they crack his skull open and such or its similar to the mind freezing magic that Miyuki uses in the previous volume
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Old 2013-03-23, 04:21   Link #3882
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Regarding the operation performed on Tatsuya, why didn't they just erase the magics that are taking up the space in his magic calculation area? I may be wrong but isn't that what's preventing him from using magic?
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Old 2013-03-23, 04:25   Link #3883
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Also is being a born specialist magician equate as a defective magician?
Or it's just Tatsuya's case...
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Old 2013-03-23, 04:38   Link #3884
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Also is being a born specialist magician equate as a defective magician?
Or it's just Tatsuya's case...
It seems that being an all around magician is prefered and while someone that excels at one type of magic isn't looked down on, a person who excels at one type and has problems with other types may have trouble. BS magicians for instance are looked down on even though the things they can do are superior than others ( I think this is more because they can't share the ability thereby aiding in the growth of the magical community) If you take a look at the difference between Ichijou and Tatsuya you'll notice that they both excel at one type of magic, the difference here is that Ichjou and the other 10 clan members for that matter can pretty much do any other type of magic if they put in some effort. anyway that's just my take on it sorry if I rambled
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Old 2013-03-23, 04:48   Link #3885
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Also is being a born specialist magician equate as a defective magician?
Or it's just Tatsuya's case...
I think the problem is that his magics are decomposition & regrowth and they do not alter Eidos the way other magics do. From the way I understand it, a magician is able to give new properties or enhance its existing properties, e.g. Kihara's Sonic Blade, while Tatsuya's birth magic only lets him destroy/restore the sword.

It's just that Tatsuya's birth magic is not acknowledged by Yotsuba as magic, if he was born with any other birth magic, he'd probably be a magician in their eyes.
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Old 2013-03-23, 04:53   Link #3886
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So does that mean that Tatsuya is a BS yet the kind of power he has can never be classified as magic?
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Old 2013-03-23, 05:02   Link #3887
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So does that mean that Tatsuya is a BS yet the kind of power he has can never be classified as magic?
Something like that.
From BT Glossary
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In regards to modern magic study, the definition of "Magic" is doing a technique that changes the Eidos, which in turn changes its true form, the "phenomenon".
His magic doesn't change the true form of the target, he can only destroys the Eidos or restore them to the way they were before in the past, so by definition his birth magic is not magic.

Although by definition it isn't magic, it'd probably be accepted as magic by the majority of other families, it's just that Yotsuba stay true to the definition and don't want to change their views.
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Old 2013-03-23, 05:10   Link #3888
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That so...
It really is a shame...
With that kind of power, if its in the world of index where their power ranking differs in a sense, Tatsuya's as good as a level 5... yet in the world of Mahouka he's just like a level 0... to the Youtsuba at least...

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Old 2013-03-23, 06:10   Link #3889
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I can let go most of the stuff Morisaki does, I mean hell he's a high school student and does stupid things but I can't say i didn't when I was that age. The problem I have that makes me see him as arrogant is that he acctualy tried to sway a person into his group by bullieing her sibling right in front of her. I don't know about you guys but that just calls for an a**whoopin he never got (In my family that's just how it went). Mabey that's it, if Tatsuya beat the stupid out of him just once I'd probably forgive him and move on, but he never got it so it just lingers and festers making me hate the guy even more. ah well I'm rambling about nothing so I'll stop here.
I think the thing people are missing is that in the setting mages are extremely class conscience and that seems to be reinforced by the society that they are living in. It's fairly clear that any of the "weeds" could have most likely gotten into one of the 8 other schools and not have had the same stigma. Even the whole weed thing was based on a decision that kept it that way because those in charge either didn't care or liked it that way.

Is Morisaki a blowhard? Yes. Is he a jerk? Hard to say he has only got 3 scenes, he clearly was in the first, the second it was more of a clear just dislike for Tatsuya, who didn't help the situation at all, when they joined the morals committee, and lastly leaving loudly after most of the girls from the 9 school comp were pretty much rubbing it in the guys faces that he was so good with some implied innuendo.
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Old 2013-03-23, 11:53   Link #3890
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^ and there is a off-screen scene where Morisaki has the roof collapse on him during the Monolith Competition. Glorious.
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Old 2013-03-23, 13:26   Link #3891
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I hate the Yotsuba Family officially (excluding the lovely sibilings), so wat if Tatsuya is "defective" he still can woop your asses infinity times over and take the world with it.
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Old 2013-03-23, 15:01   Link #3892
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So does that mean that Tatsuya is a BS yet the kind of power he has can never be classified as magic?
If Tatsuya were a BS magician, he would be able to use either decomposition, regrowth or ES at a stupidly high level; but not all 3 of them like he usually does.

It has been noted that he is gifted at magic that depends mainly on mental calculations, supposedly there are a good chunk of those in the Nonsystematic types. (So yeah, he isn't a BS).
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Old 2013-03-23, 15:05   Link #3893
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If Tatsuya were a BS magician, he would be able to use either decomposition, regrowth or ES at a stupidly high level; but not all 3 of them like he usually does.

It has been noted that he is gifted at magic that depends mainly on mental calculations, supposedly there are a good chunk of those in the Nonsystematic types. (So yeah, he isn't a BS).
no he is those have been referred a bunch of times as Tatsuyas birth magics his proficient in them is insane although he is calculative with other magics, plus BS means born specialized what else could he be.
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Tatsuya specializes in two types of magic. From there, he was able to branch out other magic(?).

Also, Im a little confused, Honoka stated that Tatsuya's magic is calculated down to the last variable (something like that), is it due to him not wanting to show Flash Cast, or because he cant wield other magic that he has to calculate them as such ?
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Old 2013-03-23, 20:11   Link #3895
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Tatsuya specializes in two types of magic. From there, he was able to branch out other magic(?).

Also, Im a little confused, Honoka stated that Tatsuya's magic is calculated down to the last variable (something like that), is it due to him not wanting to show Flash Cast, or because he cant wield other magic that he has to calculate them as such ?
while it's not flash cast it doesn't mean is unrelated since he does because His artificial magic processor is lacking but it has this kind of thing as a upside.
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Old 2013-03-23, 20:15   Link #3896
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Tatsuya specializes in two types of magic. From there, he was able to branch out other magic(?).

Also, Im a little confused, Honoka stated that Tatsuya's magic is calculated down to the last variable (something like that), is it due to him not wanting to show Flash Cast, or because he cant wield other magic that he has to calculate them as such ?
The way I understand it is it is like doing an Algebra or Calculus problem. most people can skip a few steps when getting an answer but Tatsuya if he isn't useing flash cast has to do it by going through each and every step to solve it

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I hate the Yotsuba Family officially (excluding the lovely sibilings), so wat if Tatsuya is "defective" he still can woop your asses infinity times over and take the world with it.
True but given the Yotsuba's mandate from the government that they are to be humanoid mage weapons he technicly is "defective" even more so if his all his birth ablities aren't widely known within the family. He may be a walking nuke and the white mage from hell with eyes that could see god, but if you don't know about that he's about the level of an avrage mage at best with a whole lot of combat training and threretical knowlage.
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Tatsuya specializes in two types of magic. From there, he was able to branch out other magic(?).

Also, Im a little confused, Honoka stated that Tatsuya's magic is calculated down to the last variable (something like that), is it due to him not wanting to show Flash Cast, or because he cant wield other magic that he has to calculate them as such ?
I think we ready talk about, but anyways, try to made shorter possible I will not using quotes from BT, if anyone feel dubius just please and if dont get it, quote in order We can help explaining or maybe get clear:

Tatsuya is Born Specialized Magician aka: BS, most of the BS Magicians holds a very specialized magic which not rare they cannot technically perform others magics, some could considered "useless" or even "forbidden", like Ichihara or Haruka Ono, Magic perform come from subconsciousness, there's an area for perform it, in Tats case it was dominated by ONE SINGLE MAGIC: altering Directly Eidos, this He can use in Restore or Dissolve Eidos codes at His will and affect permanently the Eidos on Information Dimension, as example: Take you are programmer, html or whatsoever, so there's admins and owners applying their rights, Tats "have" owner rights over mostly all magicians which are admins (so far no other known Magician have the same ability), using the example of software system, according this, Normal Humans are like users, Magicians like admins and Tats like owner, Magicians can alter Eidos codes, but the system clean this time to time, also with this they can alter physics and other "normal" laws, but all are temporal, Tats interventions are permanent.
FYI: Yotsuba Clan DNA lineage are BS and highly adept to Mind/Soul interference, one or both together, another fact is they usually have unique personal magic as birth magic.
About why some considered Tats fake or artificial Magician: Yotsuba are on top Elite Magic World, not only in Japan, Maya is considered one of the most powerfull Magician across Globe, during the last century after magic comes as high value resource, specially in Military Area, all Countries set they're own internal Organization, in 2046 was established the International Magic Association, with this comes too some of drawn basic criteria lines to concepts, goals or policies, like intercept nukes attempts, and magics evaluations, applying and uses, Japan, same as all Countries, organized and encourage Magic development in way to ensure more Military power, Japan set the 10th Master Clans or numbered Families (FYI: they are like 18 numbered Families), during Retsu Kudou era in front of the JSDF, they establish Research Institutes on most of the 10th Master Clans, Yotsuba research was specially directed at artificial magicians, Vol 8 Tats mentioned there's some like 20% of the Magicians are artificial or improved in some way, with all this explained, they have some like ISO standards on Magic, the same criteria used to defines weeds and blooms, they define "True Magicians" as persons can alter eidos to form new components, restore and dissolve doesn't made new components or phenomena, so that's why Tats was considered defective or fake Magician and Yotsuba Clan as one of the Top Elite Clans across the Globe in Magic World couldn't accept Him as one of them, less as candidate with most chances to be Heir (main blood line, male, healthy, smart, high stamina, others), from Reminiscence Vol I can say Miya was not accepting his fate and with Her Sister (quite effort cuz She and Maya didn't go well) made an "surgery" on 6 years old Tats, their hope was: using Yotsuba own or associate's cutting edge research and technological knowledge and resources, which btw are top above even Countries or in some areas from USNA, Great Asian Alliance among others big State powers, give Tatsuya a chance to be considered as Magician, Miya and Maya altered Tats subconsciousness and implant magic processor, their goal suffered cuz they calculated Tats calculating ability wrong, the processor was short and the surgery failed give slash back to Tats and Miya, both loose feelings given by the Mind, so adding this, Tats technical ability was below average aka weed class (according Magic International Standards), with this, Tats was send to perform Guardian duties for one of the strong Yotsuba Heir Candidate, take that or being expelled completely from Yotsuba support.

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Old 2013-03-23, 22:26   Link #3898
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^there seems to be a lot of incorrect statements here.
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Old 2013-03-23, 22:34   Link #3899
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Tatsuya specializes in two types of magic. From there, he was able to branch out other magic(?).
BS Magic is BS magic. Tatsuya is the type of BS magician who can only use BS magics normally. Without the mental operation from Miya, Tatsuya would not be able to use any magic other than the Decomposition Systematic Magics, the Gram magics (Gram Dispersion, Gram Demolition), and his restoration magics (Self-Restoration, Regrowth).

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Also, Im a little confused, Honoka stated that Tatsuya's magic is calculated down to the last variable (something like that), is it due to him not wanting to show Flash Cast, or because he cant wield other magic that he has to calculate them as such ?
What it means is that he only uses as many psions as he needs to power his magic.

Let's say you're looking at a cooking recipe and it wants 1 cup of flour.

For a normal magician following the recipe, they just take a cup, scoop, and drop the results in a bowl without brushing off the extra flour first. The extra flour over the measured 1 cup is the extra wasted power that magicians emit.

Tatsuya takes a cup, scoops, brushes off the extra flour overflowing from the cup so that he only has what the recipe calls for, and then adds the flour to the bowl. He did not add more than what the recipe called for, so he has no extra wasted power.
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BS Magic is BS magic. Tatsuya is the type of BS magician who can only use BS magics normally. Without the mental operation from Miya, Tatsuya would not be able to use any magic other than the Decomposition Systematic Magics, the Gram magics (Gram Dispersion, Gram Demolition), and his restoration magics (Self-Restoration, Regrowth).



What it means is that he only uses as many psions as he needs to power his magic.

Let's say you're looking at a cooking recipe and it wants 1 cup of flour.

For a normal magician following the recipe, they just take a cup, scoop, and drop the results in a bowl without brushing off the extra flour first. The extra flour over the measured 1 cup is the extra wasted power that magicians emit.

Tatsuya takes a cup, scoops, brushes off the extra flour overflowing from the cup so that he only has what the recipe calls for, and then adds the flour to the bowl. He did not add more than what the recipe called for, so he has no extra wasted power.
isn't restoration one of his two birth magics plus gram dispersion is something he seems to be able to do thanks to ES and decomposition.
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