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Old 2013-03-23, 07:43   Link #1661
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Final episode preview up:

http://www.vividred.net/next/12.html

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Finally... YONTAI GATTAI
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Old 2013-03-23, 10:39   Link #1662
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Final episode preview up:

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Hoping to see the preview, but I guess I will wait for the youtube version...(Loading so slow...)
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Old 2013-03-23, 11:00   Link #1663
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Episode 12 preview is also up on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0kLErv3Ib8
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Old 2013-03-23, 11:20   Link #1664
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Actually, I felt Grandpa and the four girls were reasonable here.

At the very least, wouldn't you want to know Rei's reasons for doing what she's doing before you execute her? And the girls wanting to clear up misunderstandings with Rei, and also get her side of the story, similarly makes perfect sense.

I admit that it might be a bit much for none of the girls (or Granpa) to even suspect that Rei is actually playing them like how Rei claims Akane played her. Still, if you want to get at the truth of the matter, you have to at least be willing to give Rei the benefit of the doubt and see if she had an understandable reason for doing what she did.

And sure enough, Rei did have such a reason. Incarnate energy destroyed her world, and so Rei could reasonably tell herself "Yes, this world will suffer greatly from its Incarnate Engine being destroyed, but at least it will be spared the fate of my world."


Honestly, the only characters I facepalmed at in this episode were the soldiers opening fire on Team Vivid. These idiots could have conceivably killed these girls with gunfire. Nice job threatening the very lives of the heroes that have saved Japan and the world's main power supply numerous times over.


And it looks like I was pretty close in my comparison between the Crow/Alones and the Anti-Spirals of Gurren Lagann. Although I'll admit the execution here is maybe a bit clunkier than it was in Gurren Lagann. Still, I'm glad it took this route, and I'm looking forward to the big final battle between Team Vivid and the Crow.
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Old 2013-03-23, 15:43   Link #1665
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Yeah it is kinda weird that the soldiers opened fire on the girls but at this point it was quite obvious that they weren't going to stop if the soldiers said pretty please. The soldiers job is to protect the base, the girls were invading and clearly using force so the soldiers had no choice but to respond.

Still weird though.
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Old 2013-03-23, 23:27   Link #1666
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So just as I predicted, it was the crow (and not some accident) that has destroyed Rei's world (and also "a multitude of other worlds"). The crow also admitted that it never had the intention to restore Rei's world, with the lame excuse of "they wouldn't have wanted their world restored".

So what the crow did was: destroy Rei's world, but spare Rei because she has special powers. Tell her some bogus story about how it was the Incarnation Engine of that world (and not the crow) who destroyed it. Tell Rei that she has to destroy the Incarnation Engine of another world in order to prevent the world's destruction - whereas in truth the destruction of the Incarnation Engine will cause the destruction of the world.

I wonder how often the crow already did that foul play in other worlds before.

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So you, without orders, have chosen to decide that a world that has, by the rules set down by them, passed the test, is to be destroyed anyway just because no one else has ever passed the test before? I think you're going to find yourself out of a job soon, flying rat.
I seriously doubt that no world has passed the test before. There was probably a good number of worlds that *did* pass it, but as the crow won't accept any passing, it simply goes berserk and tries to destroy the world anyway. Then one of two things happens: either the crow succeeds in destroying the world, or it gets its ass kicked because the people there have an "Isshiki" of their own, and quickly escapes to the next world because they can do worse.
Someone has to tell those "supreme beings" how poorly the crow handles the testing, then it will be crow barbeque time!
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Old 2013-03-23, 23:30   Link #1667
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From what I saw, no one world ever passed the test before, which lead to the Crow coming to its own conclusion that it "wasn't meant to be passed", so seems to simply assume that it's what the higher beings intend every single time, so even though Akane's world DOES pass the test, the Crow wants to "rectify" this "impossibility" and believes that it's what the higher beings would've wanted.
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Old 2013-03-24, 00:33   Link #1668
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Hoping for a Vivid Black (Rei-chan) and with a long-range weapon like her bow or a rifle(she knows how to use them).

Then a Gattai!!!!
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Old 2013-03-24, 00:50   Link #1669
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And sure enough, Rei did have such a reason. Incarnate energy destroyed her world, and so Rei could reasonably tell herself "Yes, this world will suffer greatly from its Incarnate Engine being destroyed, but at least it will be spared the fate of my world."
She may tell herself that, but it isn't true. The reason that energy destroyed her world was because the Engine there was destroyed. It seems fairly clear at this point that the crow "tested" Rei's world prior to Akane's, and at some point they failed and their Engine was destroyed, resulting in the catastrophic energy release Shijo warned everyone could happen if the Engine was destroyed a few episodes back.

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Honestly, the only characters I facepalmed at in this episode were the soldiers opening fire on Team Vivid. These idiots could have conceivably killed these girls with gunfire. Nice job threatening the very lives of the heroes that have saved Japan and the world's main power supply numerous times over.
Girls were equipped with their Pallette Suits at that point. The soldiers themselves were in more danger of the bullets ricocheting off of the girls back at them than the girls were of being in any way hurt by something as weak as gunfire.

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From what I saw, no one world ever passed the test before, which lead to the Crow coming to its own conclusion that it "wasn't meant to be passed", so seems to simply assume that it's what the higher beings intend every single time, so even though Akane's world DOES pass the test, the Crow wants to "rectify" this "impossibility" and believes that it's what the higher beings would've wanted.
That's certainly how I understood what it was saying.
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Old 2013-03-24, 01:23   Link #1670
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Girls were equipped with their Pallette Suits at that point. The soldiers themselves were in more danger of the bullets ricocheting off of the girls back at them than the girls were of being in any way hurt by something as weak as gunfire.
On what basis do you claim the Pallette Suits to be bullet-proof? I don't recall seeing bullets ricochet off of them before. Nor do I recall the suits ever absorbing much in the way of direct blasts. Usually (if not always) the girls will dodge such blasts or block it with the weapon they're carrying.
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Old 2013-03-24, 07:31   Link #1671
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On what basis do you claim the Pallette Suits to be bullet-proof? I don't recall seeing bullets ricochet off of them before. Nor do I recall the suits ever absorbing much in the way of direct blasts. Usually (if not always) the girls will dodge such blasts or block it with the weapon they're carrying.
They survived being attacked by a hatching doubly empowered Alone, being thrown through a building, and being at ground zero for the explosion of a totally-not-a-nuke style bomb, and came out of it completely uninjured. You expect me to think gunfire is going to be more than a mild irritation?
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Old 2013-03-24, 09:30   Link #1672
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That's a real humdinger of a Morton's fork. If the test conditions are fulfilled, they fail. If they're not fulfilled, they also fail. Though in retrospect, I should've picked up on the signs sooner. The crow and the Alone both have a predominantly red and black color scheme, and a few other signs. I liked the sequence where the images slowed down and faded instead of moving fluidly when Akane fell into Rei's arms - a choice that affirmed everything going on at that point. This has been a pretty enjoyable ride. Looking forward to the finale to see if a Vivid Red appears at all (most likely), and if it leaves anything open for a second season. Though if these 12 episodes are all there are, then they told a pretty tight story in that span of time.
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Old 2013-03-24, 12:08   Link #1673
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Whelp, that went about as I expected. Rei slings accusation after accusation at the heroines, and of course they all stand there in shock with nobody going "Pot calling the kettle black, miss I-almost-killed-Akane?" Instead they all feel sorry for her and decide to bust her out of the high security prison. The crow shows that, surprise! She never intended to revive Rei's world from the start! And decides that wiping out this world is part of her program (using some fascinatingly flawed logic, I might add).

All in all, the idiot ball was flying around at lightning speed this episode. I think only the old man got spared by it.

On the bright side, the episode did give us this:

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Old 2013-03-24, 15:43   Link #1674
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My expression at the ending of episode 11 = -_-
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Old 2013-03-24, 16:26   Link #1675
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I literally went WTF at the ending, not so much because the Dreaded Crow-kun revealed its Final Form but because it ATE Rei. In other words, on Blue Island BIRD EATS YOU!

It's been a good ride, but part of me feels that this show would have so much more potential if it were given a second season, or at least be longer than the twelve episodes we have in front of us. I'll be fine if the next episode will be the last, but that's more of a preference than a complaint.

But my main worry is whether or not Dr. Isshiki will return to his body. It's almost like the first Jak and Daxter game, how the main objective was finding a way to restore Daxter to his original form but it was never - and still hasn't been - resolved since the release of The Lost Frontier, which was almost four years ago.

Here's hoping we'll get to see a Vividred gattai from Akane and Rei, or at the very least a Vivid Black/Purple out of Rei to kick Crow-kun's ass and roast its avatar over an open fire.
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Old 2013-03-24, 16:36   Link #1676
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I can't help but think of Tokumei Sentai Go-Busters with Alones taking the place of Vaglas.

Much like Vaglas Megazords the Alone need a marker or beacon to teleport from a hyperspace parallel dimension to the real world.

Something clicked with the description of Rei having superhuman abilities and not being quite human. That sounds like Akane.
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Old 2013-03-24, 20:03   Link #1677
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Nobody's talked about this because it's so obvious, but both Akane and Aoi have used the term a "tingle" or ビビっと to describe the feelings of friendship in this series. Obviously a sound alike to "Vivid". It's a nice way to work in the title of the show.
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Old 2013-03-24, 20:40   Link #1678
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Haha, yeah. Aoi's mention of it was pretty much just a reference to Akane's habit of using it, but it's indeed a pretty neat connection to the series' name. I noticed it pretty early on because I watched all of the early episodes repeatedly with different sub groups, and whereas one group translated it with the connected "Vivid" meaning, the other group used the more standard "tingly".
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They're both correct, but I understand that it's one of those words that's hard to both convey the meaning in English and keep the (Japanese) onomatopoeia. Even if it's translated as "tingle", the aural similarity can still be noticed. But that's what translation's all about.
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Old 2013-03-24, 23:12   Link #1680
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From what I saw, no one world ever passed the test before, which lead to the Crow coming to its own conclusion that it "wasn't meant to be passed", so seems to simply assume that it's what the higher beings intend every single time, so even though Akane's world DOES pass the test, the Crow wants to "rectify" this "impossibility" and believes that it's what the higher beings would've wanted.
That's absolutely ludicrous
We have absolutely *no* proof if any world passed the test before or not. There's only the crow telling about it, and we already know that it will tell everyone the most absurd lies when it wants - see the totally bogus story it told Rei. As such, we shouldn't take *anything* the crow says at face value.

I really can't imagine that *no* world passed the test before. If those super beings devised a test, then it can be passed. If they were malicious, they would simply destroy the worlds and not bother with any tests.
No, it's actualy the crow that's malicious to the core, and who doesn't want anyone to pass the test, because it loves to destroy worlds. See the several times where it gleefully tortured Rei, and see where it chided Rei for helping that boy.
It certainly wasn't the super beings intention that no one passed the test, but as they're busy with other things (even a super being can't be everywhere at the same time), they picked someone to do the tests. It's just that they picked the totally wrong being with the crow. Should they get to know how badly the crow handled everything, they probably won't be amused.

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She may tell herself that, but it isn't true. The reason that energy destroyed her world was because the Engine there was destroyed. It seems fairly clear at this point that the crow "tested" Rei's world prior to Akane's, and at some point they failed and their Engine was destroyed, resulting in the catastrophic energy release Shijo warned everyone could happen if the Engine was destroyed a few episodes back.
Yes, most likely - the destruction of the Incarnation Engine will make the energy go out of control and destroy the world.
It's not neccessarily that they failed at the test or anything. We've seen now that the crow *doesn't want* anyone to pass the test, no matter what. So either the crow managed to destroy their Engine by itself with the Alone, or it did the same it tried here - enlist the help of someone else from yet another world to help it with destroying the engine by telling him/her some retarded story, and that someone succeded, and thus the Engine, and with it the world, was destroyed.
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