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Old 2013-03-17, 17:28   Link #181
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Actually, the impression was that Kaoru was jealous of the girls of the club because they could freely pursue their romance (and with Eita ) while "he" could not due to his own circumstances.

Also, the fact that the told us an "alibi" about Kaori being Kaoru's imouto, that doesn't mean that Kaori & Kaoru are 2 different people (in fact, most clues point out the exact opposite).
Ah, nice thats interesting about the "alibi"... I wonder if they will touch on it in the anime or there is a summary made for it sometime.
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Old 2013-03-17, 18:40   Link #182
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Ah, nice thats interesting about the "alibi"... I wonder if they will touch on it in the anime or there is a summary made for it sometime.
If you want an summary of volume 4, here is a link to one.
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Old 2013-03-17, 19:05   Link #183
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If you want an summary of volume 4, here is a link to one.
Thanks for the link.
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Old 2013-03-19, 02:53   Link #184
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Man... that volume 6 cliffhanger... I'd really like for volume 7 to come out soon.
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Old 2013-03-23, 15:39   Link #185
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When was Volume 6 released/any clues on when Volume 7 is due?
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Old 2013-03-23, 19:15   Link #186
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When was Volume 6 released/any clues on when Volume 7 is due?
Fuh. The latest volume has like a month out or something, of course that they aren't even close to speaking about a release date; it's already too late to try something like releasing a new volume to match the end of the series; the best next thing could be like, releasing a new volume along an extra domestic release episode or a new drama cd or something, but there is no sign that they are going to do something like that for now.


I shouldn't need to remind you that in 2012, this series released a single volume during the entire year. Well, it's pretty obvious that last year they were holding back to match the anime release, but at this point we have already got 2 volumes in 3 months and that's already overdoing it.


Speaking of, I love how lately they have gotten more radical with the MADs, I mean, 愛衣ちゃん大勝利WRRRRRRRY?
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Old 2013-03-23, 22:38   Link #187
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愛衣ちゃん大勝利WRRRRRRRY?
I'd appreciate some links to those MADs.
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Old 2013-03-24, 03:52   Link #188
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I'd appreciate some links to those MADs.
I have seen a few this week, the ones that I remember from today are.


(This one was posted before in the anime thread).

Kanojo to Osananajimi to Stroheim. 95 CM is life

Jojo's girlfriend & childhood friend

There are a bunch of other mads, but they are the regular thing about Ai's VA singing or something.

Forget about youtube links, Sony has been crazy about the footage and youtube is not smart enough to tell the difference between a 2min mad and a 26min episode.


BTW, kinda OT but I decided to finally check out the Side Story mangas for this (really OT since this isn't the manga thread).

- Has hinted by the LN, the +H adaptation is over already and strangely Eita kinda solves the hard part of the problem on his own (I still can't believe it ). I'm kinda looking forward to checking this one out because my main complain about it was that it didn't felt like something by Yuuji Yuuji, the LN probably solves that and even added some Hime & Ai scenes.

- Similarly to the +H, for the Ai chapter characters feel too different from the LN so it's hard to take it seriously (that, and Masuzu looks like a porn actress ). I always felt that Ai's charm was being mature on the outside while having this innocent childish romantic side on the inside (she is basically a moe Eita); the manga obviously(?) doesn't keep that and she is just this ero obsessed girl that has over the top delusions whenever she comes something like 10m2 from Eita. I'm kinda looking forward to this having a LN SS when it's done. Ai mom is hot.
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Old 2013-03-25, 00:49   Link #189
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- Similarly to the +H, for the Ai chapter characters feel too different from the LN so it's hard to take it seriously (that, and Masuzu looks like a porn actress ). I always felt that Ai's charm was being mature on the outside while having this innocent childish romantic side on the inside (she is basically a moe Eita); the manga obviously(?) doesn't keep that and she is just this ero obsessed girl that has over the top delusions whenever she comes something like 10m2 from Eita. I'm kinda looking forward to this having a LN SS when it's done. Ai mom is hot.
Oh yes, the designs in the manga are a bit odd. On one side, you can tell the author is trying to make it look somewhat polished, but he tends to overdo his designs. For example, the shirts they use have so many creases that the shading he uses make them look as if they're always wet. The designs of the girls sometimes make this look like an ero-manga as well, since there's a clear high-light on their.... goods. In addition, Masuzu looks too old.

As for Ai's behaviour, I don't think there's anything out of character in her spin-off. We've already seen that Ai has weird shit in her head when Eita read her notebook. The difference between the LN and the Ai manga is that, in the latter, we can see Ai's thoughts.
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Old 2013-03-25, 02:33   Link #190
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Just finished reading vol 6, got to say I am rather disappointed.

Not sure if it is because it is mostly Hime focused, or just I cannot wrap my head around the comedy in the volume.

At this rate its just a matter of time before Eito and Mazuzu are willing to conquer the shadows of their past and give this love thing a try.

Doubt the series will just end in next volume. Eito's parents (they are merely missing) and Mazuzu's mother may still have roles to play in their children's growth.

Also somewhat disappointed that 6.5 is just the +H manga (minus Kaori story) in LN format instead of more side stories...
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Old 2013-03-25, 03:14   Link #191
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I doubt Eita's parents will ever be showing up. In Masuzu's case, her father is an active factor in her behaviour, has been keeping her in check for a while (we've learnt this from Mana's actions in volume 2) and her mother's disappearance itself screams flag in terms that she'll likely be showing up.
Eita's parents, on the other hand, have had no relevance to the story other than being the factor for Eita's anti-love stance, and indirectly caused his promise to Chiwa. Other than that, they've never been mentioned, and from what I get, the plot hasn't given any hint of them showing up again.
Remember, they weren't kidnapped, they didn't escape due to danger or any other thing that may justify them leaving. They divorced, went their way to do as they pleased.

The way I understand it, one of the points in the story is Eita and Masuzu getting over their parents' faults, but not shunning love as a result since that was never actually the problem. The point isn't about them getting their families back, get over what their parents did in the past and live like a happy family again. In fact, I'd even say doing that would seriously lessen the impact of the previous point.

That said, I could see Masuzu and her mother being reunited considering the latter didn't seem like that much of a bad person, and her disappearance seems mysterious. At the same time, I could see a twist in which her mother pulled a bitch move on Masuzu (just like Eita's parents), left her - because she could - and her father actually cares for Masuzu in his own selfish way.
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Old 2013-03-28, 20:59   Link #192
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So, basically, a new translator as joined the fry and thus right now the project is not frozen (the previous translator is still stuck with several real life issues).

Currently chapter 5 of volume 1 was released, and there is still the promise of more chapters released in the future, so yeah.



Related image ☆~~

BTW, I was thinking on doing a glossary for baka tsuki having all of the complicated and philosophical terms of this and good definitions and stuff (like Jien Otsu, Motekuri or JojoKawaii ), but a lot of the stuff simply goes over my head....

... Maybe if I cry loud enough Lare will pop up from a corner?
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Old 2013-03-28, 23:04   Link #193
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Actually I hope to see the earlier volumes translated. There's a reason why Masuzu is more popular with many of the LN readers. If not for Masuzu, I would not have moved on to volume 2, seriously.
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Old 2013-03-30, 16:21   Link #194
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Was there much more detail about Masuzu in the LN? I mean, if I compare the anime to the manga, the anime left out plenty of scenes out - at least, from volume 2.

From I what I keep seeing, amongst the TV audience (in Japan and the West), Ai seems to be the most popular character. I wouldn't know about how popular the other characters are, but Ai clearly is #1. I don't think Masuzu was well received amongst anime-only fans - though I can see why. I don't think I'd like her had I not read the manga and read the LN spoilers here.

That said, by watching the anime I did change my view on some aspects. Like, I can see Chiwa having a chance now. For example, after she confessed, Eita seemed as if he was about to grab her and kiss her back - which I didn't get by reading summaries (for which I'm grateful to have been able to read, don't get me wrong).
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Old 2013-03-30, 18:56   Link #195
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Was there much more detail about Masuzu in the LN? I mean, if I compare the anime to the manga, the anime left out plenty of scenes out - at least, from volume 2.

From I what I keep seeing, amongst the TV audience (in Japan and the West), Ai seems to be the most popular character. I wouldn't know about how popular the other characters are, but Ai clearly is #1. I don't think Masuzu was well received amongst anime-only fans - though I can see why. I don't think I'd like her had I not read the manga and read the LN spoilers here.

Before asking the first question, you gotta have some idea on how LN work. In LN and pretty much any other text only work, authors go the extra mile to build up their worlds and most of the time, build up how they characters live. Sometimes we see a guy getting up from bed, making breakfast, going to school, thinking on buying something, speaking with his friends, doing things and etc etc. Some of these actions can be explained with 7 lines or a single page, so it's not that.

The thing is that, in all of that, we obviously see the characters doing things, and thus there is a sense of character building (because, in every action we see the character behavior and reactions). For adaptations, specially if they are budget ones (like 12 episode anime), most directors don't go all the way to take every scenes and animate them; rather they only take the scenes that are the most relevant to the story (the ones that build up action or climax or etc). Not only that, but a good chunk of the internal monologues of characters are cut to give more emphasis to dialog.

The thing is that, I believe Juuji Juuji to be pretty much a semi-sophisticated author (one of the things that I like the most about the novel), in other words with a few lines he can easily hint a characteristic of the members of the cast, furthermore he goes the extra mile and starts putting a lot of very different traits here and there rather than pandering the same attributes over and over and over. Having few characters in the main cast really help with this.

So yeah, there is pretty much no way to keep all of the subtleties. Compared to the anime, the manga all out to keep many characteristics, but it obviously falls short due to many things (page number, scenes that can be explained in a few panels, etc etc). In that very same vein, Masuzu is obviously the most complete character for several reasons (like, what she says, the facial expressions she makes, when she gets angry, when she pouts, when she changes her tone of speech, when she can mind read Eita, when she does Jojo references, etc etc).

What I do like about the manga, is that they make characters very expressive with different facial changes (which I feel is a very important trait for lairs that lie successfully). I could literally check only the facial expressions of the cast all day



---- So, bottom line is that the answer that you want of "what was changed of Masuzu" or "what wasn't included" can't be summed up in 1 or 2 lines (maybe not even 1 or 2 threads ).


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That said, by watching the anime I did change my view on some aspects. Like, I can see Chiwa having a chance now. For example, after she confessed, Eita seemed as if he was about to grab her and kiss her back - which I didn't get by reading summaries (for which I'm grateful to have been able to read, don't get me wrong).
To be honest, I feel that Chiwa is the dark horse of the series. It wasn't "clear" on the first novel, but in the first 4 novels Masuzu kept scoring flags while Chiwa was left in the dust horribly, however the feeling that I got in the epilogue of vol 4 was that the author was going to elevate her chances in the future for about as high as well. Probably for the namesake of the series (girlfriend vs childhood friend). That would also give reasonable grounds to keep a "type of suspense" towards the end were we have Eita picking "either A or B".
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Old 2013-03-30, 20:59   Link #196
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I know that a LN can elaborate much more on its characters than what a manga or anime adaptation could. However, a good adaptation is one that doesn't add every single bit the original work has - because it'd be horrid - but manages to deliver all the important aspects of the story (plot, character development, thematics, world-building, etc...), by making good use of its own medium.

When I was asking about the details in the LN about Masuzu, I didn't mean every other explanation-per-narration, Masuzu's monologues and the like, but aspects that were made clear about her character (her behaviour, ideas, development, etc) in the LN, but that might have been left out, or perhaps not made particularly clear in the anime (or/and manga).

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To be honest, I feel that Chiwa is the dark horse of the series. It wasn't "clear" on the first novel, but in the first 4 novels Masuzu kept scoring flags while Chiwa was left in the dust horribly, however the feeling that I got in the epilogue of vol 4 was that the author was going to elevate her chances in the future for about as high as well. Probably for the namesake of the series (girlfriend vs childhood friend). That would also give reasonable grounds to keep a "type of suspense" towards the end were we have Eita picking "either A or B".
I think even though Chiwa never shined much in volumes 1-4, her importance was always heavy. She has something neither of the other heroines have, and that's her relevance in Eita's life. She was there when he was abandoned by his parents, she gave him strength back then and that's why Eita decided to grow up, and become a doctor to cure Chiwa. That's a massive relevance and a huge link between them two of them. Not to mention Chiwa is part of his every day.

So far, despite the developments that may have been had in the story, none of the characters have done what Chiwa did for Eita, and whilst that isn't necessarily relevant in terms of who Eita would end up loving romantically, I still think it's a good edge over the other girls. Even in other stories in which you have MCs with childhood friends with relevance in their lives, you have this girl (or girls) that completely change the MCs live through their involvement, they do plenty of things for him, grow together, etc. They manage to give themselves as much relevance as the childhood friend in a short time. In this case, we don't really have that, as neither Ai nor Hime have had a massive impact on Eita's life, and even Masuzu who we could say has some relevance since Eita's inclusion in the Jienotsu has made him make more friends, the one who changes the most through their relationship has been Masuzu herself.

That's precisely why I think Chiwa's kiss had the effect it had. Had the same thing had happened with either Ai or Hime, I doubt the effect would have been even remotely the same.
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Was there much more detail about Masuzu in the LN? I mean, if I compare the anime to the manga, the anime left out plenty of scenes out - at least, from volume 2.

From I what I keep seeing, amongst the TV audience (in Japan and the West), Ai seems to be the most popular character. I wouldn't know about how popular the other characters are, but Ai clearly is #1. I don't think Masuzu was well received amongst anime-only fans - though I can see why. I don't think I'd like her had I not read the manga and read the LN spoilers here.

That said, by watching the anime I did change my view on some aspects. Like, I can see Chiwa having a chance now. For example, after she confessed, Eita seemed as if he was about to grab her and kiss her back - which I didn't get by reading summaries (for which I'm grateful to have been able to read, don't get me wrong).
TV anime audience yes, but last time I checked, Masuzu is still more popular among LN readers. Like I mentioned, Ai animated and voiced makes her much more entertaining than in the books, which I felt was a little annoying at times. Her Michel sham was always fun to read though . In the books, Masuzu, in my opinion, was the most entertaining character, mainly because of her lines and her antics, and also the potential of her character and relationship development with Eita, which clearly existed throughout the story, and far outweigh that of Hime and Ai.

To my memory, Eita was completely caught off guard by Chiwa's kiss.
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TV anime audience yes, but last time I checked, Masuzu is still more popular among LN readers. Like I mentioned, Ai animated and voiced makes her much more entertaining than in the books, which I felt was a little annoying at times. Her Michel sham was always fun to read though . In the books, Masuzu, in my opinion, was the most entertaining character, mainly because of her lines and her antics, and also the potential of her character and relationship development with Eita, which clearly existed throughout the story, and far outweigh that of Hime and Ai.
I'm not saying otherwise. I still like Masuzu the best, especially more now that I've started reading the LN translations.
As for the difference on how anime-only fans and original-material fans perceive the characters, that's nothing new here. I mean, for example, I used to be part of the Umineko crew back in the day, and the reactions of the anime-only fans, plus the way they saw the characters was just too different from the VN crew (I'm talking, of course, by the time the anime had already ended) that it wasn't even funny. Sometimes the opinions on characters, how things played out, theories and the like were polar opposites.

Anyhow, Ai may not be nearly as interesting, but she's just far too funny and so very sweet, I cannot help but to love her character. I'm happy she got her own spin-off.

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To my memory, Eita was completely caught off guard by Chiwa's kiss.
Yes, it was the same in the anime as well. I was talking about his action after the kiss, when he was about to embrace Chiwa, until Masuzu showed up.
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ut aspects that were made clear about her character (her behaviour, ideas, development, etc) in the LN, but that might have been left out, or perhaps not made particularly clear in the anime (or/and manga).
Well, if you want me to pic something concrete... It's obviously the trolling / sharp tongue In the LN is pretty "clear" that there is almost "no evil"; everything can be forgiven and most things can be solved by sitting down and talking about it. In that very same vein, when Masuzu goes out of her way to tease someone, they can be "cool" 5 minutes later, there is no any type of negative connotation.... This creates a particular pattern where characters keep switching between manzai -> regular talk -> manzai and the like when they get down to it

In other words, just like Lare pointed out already, Masuzu usually either shows a side that doesn't show when she starts teasing something, or more importantly, she pulls out a side from other characters that they don't usually show to others. It's all about chemistry, she clearly brings different things to the story.


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I think even though Chiwa never shined much in volumes 1-4, her importance was always heavy. She has something neither of the other heroines have, and that's her relevance in Eita's life. She was there when he was abandoned by his parents, she gave him strength back then and that's why Eita decided to grow up, and become a doctor to cure Chiwa. That's a massive relevance and a huge link between them two of them. Not to mention Chiwa is part of his every day.
Yes she was relevant, pretty much part of the core that has him going on (he even personally said that he will take on her dream since he has no dream of his own). But that's totally different to actually being together with her. Eita did simply not see Chiwa as a member of the opposite sex, for example most shippers casually forget that Eita is almost willing to go as far for Saeko as she goes for Chiwa (he has mentioned that he wants to repay her since she is taking care of him and took him in, and he never wants to burden Saeko with anything, it's actually the opposite).

This is even something is even addressed by Chiwa herself (with tears in her eyes) in the novel (I think it was in volume 1), where being childhood friends with Eita was a sinking ship when it came to romance. That was what I was pointing at, basically Eita always appreciates her all the same, but he is at least beginning to take her seriously later in the story. For example at the end of volume 4 Eita at least should be aware that the "like" that she feels for him is bigger than the "like" that she feels for Yakiniku (which is even something that Eita joked about through the early parts of the story).
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TV anime audience yes, but last time I checked, Masuzu is still more popular among LN readers. Like I mentioned, Ai animated and voiced makes her much more entertaining than in the books, which I felt was a little annoying at times. Her Michel sham was always fun to read though . In the books, Masuzu, in my opinion, was the most entertaining character, mainly because of her lines and her antics, and also the potential of her character and relationship development with Eita, which clearly existed throughout the story, and far outweigh that of Hime and Ai.

To my memory, Eita was completely caught off guard by Chiwa's kiss.
Just curious, does 2ch (if anyone here frequents there) like Ai or Masuzu the most? I guess it would help to show the difference between anime vs. LN. While we're on that topic, I hear on a certain imageboard that the writer is a trip on 2ch, Is that true?
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