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Old 2013-03-22, 18:22   Link #81
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I dunno.... I think that a sort of hereditary haki "signature" would make a lot of sense, since it's..... you know, hereditary. Plus, those from the "D" bloodline may have a more unique "signature" than others, but that's just my opinion.
I don't like it simply because it makes individuals less special. Haki is a reflection of the person's will, so making Haki hereditary seems a bit too much like predestination (only the few and the elect ever have any chance of being great).

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Still, putting the bloodline theory aside, I think the mere fact that Luffy possesses conqueror's haki would be enough to make him stand out from the rest (the amount of people who have that aren't exactly a dime a dozen, after all).
I don't doubt that. Just as Luffy easily recognized that the blind man as strong, so to did the blind man recognize Luffy's strength.
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Old 2013-03-22, 18:56   Link #82
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I don't like it simply because it makes individuals less special. Haki is a reflection of the person's will, so making Haki hereditary seems a bit too much like predestination (only the few and the elect ever have any chance of being great).

Ah, I think I see where the misunderstanding here lies. See, just because I say haki "signatures" could be hereditary doesn't mean that it couldn't still be individualized. Personally, I'm not a fan of how some series like Naruto handle bloodline powers, either (which is usually an excuse to make characters as hax as possible). I mean, if the connection between blood and destiny really WERE that big of a deal, then wouldn't both Luffy and Dragon have already been marines instead of the world's most infamous criminals?



That being said, unless Luffy suddenly reveals that he can use wacky illusion powers with CoC, I otherwise see no way how bloodline undermines haki users in general.



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but wasn't luffy in disguise?

Sure, on the outside. But can one truly disguise who they are from within?
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Old 2013-03-22, 23:57   Link #83
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but wasn't luffy in disguise?
Right, because obviously, visual disguise is so effective on a blind jedi.
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Old 2013-03-23, 10:01   Link #84
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James may be right in that the old man doesn't know exactly who Luffy is. It could very well have been that they simply recognized each other as exceptional individuals. Kind of like how when we were first introduced to Rayleigh, the giant beside him "sensed" that he was the one who knocked out Disco with CoC.
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Old 2013-03-25, 01:29   Link #85
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I don't like it simply because it makes individuals less special. Haki is a reflection of the person's will, so making Haki hereditary seems a bit too much like predestination (only the few and the elect ever have any chance of being great).

But didn't we already seen some of this happening with Shirahoshi/Otohime. Granted, it wasn't specifically stated as hereditary but only mermaid princesses are capable being Neptune and Neptune is basically an extreme version of CoO haki. Not to mention that wHile Otohime is not Neptune she does possess a ridiculous CoO as well.

While I don't think bloodline is the only key, I do think it that it somewhat plays a role on the level of haki at your disposal without training.


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James may be right in that the old man doesn't know exactly who Luffy is. It could very well have been that they simply recognized each other as exceptional individuals. Kind of like how when we were first introduced to Rayleigh, the giant beside him "sensed" that he was the one who knocked out Disco with CoC.
But then his line won't be making much sense then. There is really no need avoid names if the Zatochi guy was merely noticing Luffy's strength.

That line is at least insinuating that if they offer up their name then Zatochi guy will have no choice but to confront Luffy.

It's almost like Aoikiji first met SH before he change his mind and stressing he was just on a walk and nothing else.
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Old 2013-03-25, 09:11   Link #86
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But didn't we already seen some of this happening with Shirahoshi/Otohime. Granted, it wasn't specifically stated as hereditary but only mermaid princesses are capable being Neptune and Neptune is basically an extreme version of CoO haki. Not to mention that wHile Otohime is not Neptune she does possess a ridiculous CoO as well.
I never thought of Poseidon as being Haki. It seemed to be a purely biological weapon designed to control the Sea Kings.

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But then his line won't be making much sense then. There is really no need avoid names if the Zatochi guy was merely noticing Luffy's strength.
Who said he was "merely" noticing his strength? Blind guy might be someone that would have to fight Luffy if he revealed himself, but simply because they would have to fight doesn't mean blind guy works for the marines. He could work for a rival pirate group maybe even DoFlamingo. By not revealing his name he may prevent a fight. Then again, it could be that he has history with the Monkey family, or he could have history with Roger and revealing his name would cause chaos (similar to Rayleigh revealing himself).

Simply because he did not reveal his name does not mean that he is a Marine (though that is a strong possibility), nor does it mean he would have to fight Luffy.

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Old 2013-03-26, 01:54   Link #87
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Who said he was "merely" noticing his strength? Blind guy might be someone that would have to fight Luffy if he revealed himself, but simply because they would have to fight doesn't mean blind guy works for the marines.
I thought that after Doflamingo's announcement, most strong guys on the island automatically became criminals. So, if he is a marine and if he acknowledges his status, then he has an obligation to act. And there is also the address part. Which address can cause such a shock? Either marine headquarters, or one of the well-known locations occupied by the Yonkou.
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Old 2013-03-26, 07:22   Link #88
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I thought that after Doflamingo's announcement, most strong guys on the island automatically became criminals. So, if he is a marine and if he acknowledges his status, then he has an obligation to act.
I do not dispute that. But the same is true if he works for DoFlamingo, a Yonkou, another Pirate gang or even the Revolutionaires. Blind Guy seems to not act specifically because Luffy was nice to him, not simply because he is hiding (the fact that he gives an address shows that he is not hiding).


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And there is also the address part. Which address can cause such a shock? Either marine headquarters, or one of the well-known locations occupied by the Yonkou.
Completely agree. In fact, I said much the same several posts ago.
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Old 2013-03-27, 00:47   Link #89
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