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Old 2013-03-31, 13:54   Link #8601
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One of the few? I was pretty sure a whole bunch of people celebrated that
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Old 2013-04-01, 17:35   Link #8602
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However, I don't think that's much more than Akamatsu's excuse for it. No one else ever cut their manga short like he did, no law was passed at all, and he went back to Kodansha anyway. And yet he still wants to leave the series buried. Let's face it, he just grew tired of Negima, and now, announcing his next work while saying he'd prefer being an editor in the same statement, we can't really expect him to put much enthusiasm on his next series either. Mark my words, he'll drop it like he did with Negima at the first chance he gets (that is, when he has made enough money out of it).
It was in protest though.
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Old 2013-04-01, 20:34   Link #8603
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It was in protest though.
So next time he protests over something, and he will since he has put in his mind to be the champion of authors (despite all authors of any actual renown paying him next to zero attention- you won't even see the works of his pal Hata in J Comi, for instance), he will screw the fanbase again in the proccess?
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Old 2013-04-03, 05:39   Link #8604
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Exactly Overmaster.

I actually wanted them to interact with various negima characters. Like how would Setsuna and Motoko interact as of chapter 345 of Negima for example.
Like student and sensei I would guess, considering Setsuna's personality.

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Or assuming the Mei from negima and the Mei from LH are the same person.* How would Naru react to knowing her sister was a mage.

*I forget if it was ever confirmed if they where the same person.
I think Akamatsu-sensei tried to say Mei in Negima! wasn't the same as the one from Love Hina. Technically, Mei is an anime creation, not an Akamatsu-sensei creation, though he did draw her at the wedding in the last chapter of Love Hina.

Still, Naru has seen strange and supernatural things, primarily through Motoko. So, assuming Mei was her half-sister (or step sister), I think Naru would be surprised by it initially, then accept it.

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After re-reading it I think the Negima's ending wasn't so bad. If you think about it, even the problem with Negi's father was kinda of explained when Rakan says "If Negi didn't defeat the Mage of begining and released you...". So I changed my mind about how I view Negima's end.
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"And then the children were rescued by, oh, let's say Moe."

No, 'solving' the biggest conflict in the whole series with a throwaway line is NOT good storytelling at all.
Nope, but it is hurried storytelling.

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Not to mention it still doesn't answer any of the other important questions. Like, say, who was the mage of the beginning? What did he do to Nagi to make him... whatever he was at the time he fought Negi? And arguably more important: what happened to Negi's mother?

And this is just the tip of the iceberg, there are dozens of unanswered questions like these.
Don't forget that the CE folks perfected illusion magic, which is how Shiori was able to become Asuna for a few days (or however long it was...so much happened, and it took so long in our time, it is difficult for me to remember exactly how many days passed from when Asuna was kidnapped until they rescued her).

As to Arika, she's always been the anomaly, much like Eva's time with Ala Rubra. Negi had no mother in the manga until they went to the Magic World (she was never even a thought of Negi's is what I mean), and then Arika was retconned in. Eva apparently never knew about Arika despite hanging with Ala Rubra long enough to become well acquainted with the entire group, even doing some sort of learning with Takahata.

Nagi appears to have wondered to and fro across the Earth (and Magic World) for ten years, disappearing in Istanbul. Where Arika was during that time is a mystery. Arika isn't around when Ala Rubra bring Asuna to Earth, nor when they are traveling the Magic World with Asuna.

Still, we are supposed to believe that Arika was always around somewhere, and then nine months before Nagi disappeared, he got freak nasty with Arika, impregnated her, then ran off again. She gave birth, then died or disappeared, and no one in the village would even say her name. They'd only speak of Nagi.

I've never been happy with the Arika stuff because though Akamatsu-sensei does get away with retconning her in to a degree with most fans, I'm not a fan of retconning. Were someone to PROPERLY do a new anime series from scratch, I'd want them to work with Akamatsu-sensei to work Arika in properly rather than as a retcon.

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As I've said before, the connections between series set in the same Akamatsu world are so tenuous they might as well not exist.
There's a reason for that, as I see it. Many authors may set their stories within the same world, but when they are telling a new story, they don't like to revisit old characters even though they may mention them. CLAMP would be an exception to that rule, as they seem to just love to revisit their old creations, but Akamatsu-sensei gives small nods to his previous creations. I think he stated that Nitta-sensei was the same character from A.I. Love You.

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However, I don't think that's much more than Akamatsu's excuse for it. No one else ever cut their manga short like he did, no law was passed at all, and he went back to Kodansha anyway.
Heh. There've been other manga that have been cut short. CLAMP has quite a few. ^_~

Still, the law aspects aside, Akamatsu-sensei got the copyrights to ALL of his manga creations back from Kodansha. No doubt, his wife, the former model, wanted more time with him. Plus, I'm guessing that he was burned out. I'm his age and I know those long hours aren't so easy to do any more. ^_^;

If Akamatsu-sensei's new manga picks Negima! back up, then it is all academic -- he needed a break, but he didn't want to leave fans hanging on for a year or longer, assuming he didn't get a new deal with Kodansha (with Akamatsu-sensei retaining copyrights but granting license to Kodansha to publish and distribute the manga). So, he gives a quick wrap up chapter.

If Akamatsu-sensei's new manga isn't Negima! and has nothing to do with it (other than the cursory nods), then I'd agree that Akamatsu-sensei just got tired of Negima! and wanted to move on.
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Old 2013-04-03, 10:33   Link #8605
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Is it weird that I never noticed that Arika was a retcon and didn't see any of the ways that she didn't fit in the story?
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Old 2013-04-03, 13:54   Link #8606
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Hmno, but I agree with Astro here. It is rather weird that Negi never wondered about his mother, nor that Eva ever heard of her or anyone even mentioned Negi's mother at all.

However, retcons aside, I would still have liked some answers in the ending. Especially to these very questions raised by the retcon.
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Old 2013-04-04, 12:04   Link #8607
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Heh. There've been other manga that have been cut short. CLAMP has quite a few. ^_~
(Facepalms). I mean it in the context of being cut short specifically by that proposal of law. Even Akamatsu's close friend Hata kept Hayate the Combat Butler going.

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Still, the law aspects aside, Akamatsu-sensei got the copyrights to ALL of his manga creations back from Kodansha. No doubt, his wife, the former model, wanted more time with him.
I don't know. The way he gave the cosplayer character the worst end of them all sort of makes me think he wasn't so happy with his cosplayer wife, at least at the time.
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Old 2013-04-04, 12:12   Link #8608
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I don't know. The way he gave the cosplayer character the worst end of them all sort of makes me think he wasn't so happy with his cosplayer wife, at least at the time.
Well, given Chisame's personality, it was a logical conclusion. I hated it, but I accepted the logic.
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Old 2013-04-04, 13:25   Link #8609
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I don't. Her entire character growth was about her realizing there was more to the world than just the internet. The ending shattered that for... no reason whatsoever.
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Old 2013-04-04, 16:41   Link #8610
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I don't. Her entire character growth was about her realizing there was more to the world than just the internet. The ending shattered that for... no reason whatsoever.
That's not the only problem with the "where are they now" bit, as other problems include a number of "where are they now" segments being too "sci-fi" for Negima (in terms of the 2010's), Ken Akamatsu pretty mych hand waving the whole situation with Ako's scar (which is pretty much the main character trait that people were interested in when it came to her), and him pretty much trolling readers by not revealing who ends up with Negi while suggesting that it's not the three most likely students (Asuna, Nodoka, and Yue).
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Old 2013-04-04, 20:55   Link #8611
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Arika is my biggest peev honestly. She got no mention for 200 odd chapters. Than we're just supposed to except that those around Negi in on some big plan to keep the truth of who his mother is from him. Not to mention absolutely no clue how she died. Or even if she's dead, but suffering a fate similar to Nagi or Asuna.
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Old 2013-04-04, 22:18   Link #8612
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I don't. Her entire character growth was about her realizing there was more to the world than just the internet. The ending shattered that for... no reason whatsoever.
Wait what, since when? Wasn't it realizing that she was actually alright with her life as it was and it wasn't as bad as she always said it was? I'm with Sumeragi on this one, I reacted to her ending as "Why did I not see this coming?" because it felt like something she'd do
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Old 2013-04-05, 07:14   Link #8613
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Wait what, since when? Wasn't it realizing that she was actually alright with her life as it was and it wasn't as bad as she always said it was? I'm with Sumeragi on this one, I reacted to her ending as "Why did I not see this coming?" because it felt like something she'd do
She was happy with her life at the time when she was stuck in a fantasy world with 'a bunch of idiots', risking her life, sticking close to Negi and without accessing her Chiu page in what had been months for Mundus Magicus. That's when Poyo showed her she was happy. And right before and right after that arc, she had shown she was finding her Internet life shallow and pointless.

So Akamatsu basically gave her the one ending that damned her to unhappiness, while everyone else at least got a happy even if awfully done end.
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Old 2013-04-05, 10:32   Link #8614
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I don't. Her entire character growth was about her realizing there was more to the world than just the internet. The ending shattered that for... no reason whatsoever.
You're missing one point: Her entire character growth was tied to Negi. If that tie is cut, then she'll revert to the main thing that was her life.
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That goes for well over half of the characters, yet Chisame's the only one cut.

Besides, it's that "cutting of ties" that's part of the problem. Why did those ties get cut?
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You're missing one point: Her entire character growth was tied to Negi.
The problem here is if that's the case, a characters growth is completely meaningless if they regress back into their own habits. Hell, that would practically mean it didn't happen to begin with.

I'd really like to see the girls function without the damn kid 99.9% of the time, but since this is by in large a harem series...



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If Akamatsu-sensei's new manga picks Negima! back up, then it is all academic -- he needed a break, but he didn't want to leave fans hanging on for a year or longer, assuming he didn't get a new deal with Kodansha (with Akamatsu-sensei retaining copyrights but granting license to Kodansha to publish and distribute the manga). So, he gives a quick wrap up chapter.
Honestly, you could put a semi-retarded chimp on a typewriter and get a better transition from one portion of the series to the next. Flat out giving us a conclusion to the whole song and dance and proceeding to pick it back up seems like the worst possible thing you can do with a series.

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The problem here is if that's the case, a characters growth is completely meaningless if they regress back into their own habits. Hell, that would practically mean it didn't happen to begin with.

I'd really like to see the girls function without the damn kid 99.9% of the time, but since this is by in large a harem series...
The finale was rather sexist. Yue is molested in her final fight, and then Negi effortlessly swoops in to save her because we hadn't been reminded enough he's that much better and stronger and smarter than everyone by now.

Ala Alba comes to be called 'Negi's Girls', defining their whole existence as sidekicks. Not even Ala Rubra spun so much around Nagi, but then again, most of them were MEN, right?

The end gave me seriously disgusting 'Negi is too good for any of them!' vibes, especially after the Sports Festival twisted most of them into immature abusive harpies.

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Honestly, you could put a semi-retarded chimp on a typewriter and get a better transition from one portion of the series to the next. Flat out giving us a conclusion to the whole song and dance and proceeding to pick it back up seems like the worst possible thing you can do with a series.
The author's words on the last volume seemed to hint towards any continuation being an Alternate Universe, though. Maybe picking up from some divergence point like Asuna's departure.

But I think that's just his escape way in case his next series tanks and circumstances FORCE him to do more Negima.

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Besides, it's that "cutting of ties" that's part of the problem. Why did those ties get cut?
The ties weren't exactly cut anyway, since the end says she kept on being his advisor.
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The finale was rather sexist. Yue is molested in her final fight, and then Negi effortlessly swoops in to save her because we hadn't been reminded enough he's that much better and stronger and smarter than everyone by now.

Ala Alba comes to be called 'Negi's Girls', defining their whole existence as sidekicks. Not even Ala Rubra spun so much around Nagi, but then again, most of them were MEN, right?

The end gave me seriously disgusting 'Negi is too good for any of them!' vibes, especially after the Sports Festival twisted most of them into immature abusive harpies.
Of course, if that's the case, then the whole "sexist" act would have likely begun with the introduction of the Fate clones.
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Old 2013-04-06, 12:53   Link #8619
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The finale was rather sexist.
If we're going to go there, harem series are rather sexist in their totality. You're right though, the prelude to Negima's end though was horribly done, and the girls twist into parodies of themselves the moment they decide to act against the lead. The Chizuru thing was especially uncomfortable, though that was for a totally different reason.

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Ala Alba comes to be called 'Negi's Girls', defining their whole existence as sidekicks. Not even Ala Rubra spun so much around Nagi, but then again, most of them were MEN, right?
Ala Rubra is their defining trait, though they had the good fortune of having their own lives once their adventures came to an end. They obviously maintained contact with one another, but they went off to do their own thing...except for Alberio, but there's something off about the man anyway.

The epilogue/"Where are they at" thing tried to diffuse this, but as you said, "Negi's girls" thing forces them to revolve around the kid. Only person that doesn't fall into this trap is Eva, for obvious reasons.

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The end gave me seriously disgusting 'Negi is too good for any of them!'
I admit, I was really pulling for the most of the girls to distance themselves from him, at least romantically, and do their own thing. I guess that's why I was kind of pumped during the early MM arc. But nope, battle tournament.



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But I think that's just his escape way in case his next series tanks and circumstances FORCE him to do more Negima.
Or he calls it quits all together and retires from the business.
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Or he calls it quits all together and retires from the business.
I suppose it depends on if he has made enough money to retire by then or not. His saying he'd prefer being an editor makes me think he wouldn't even be doing the next series if he could help it. But becoming an editor demands a lot of money to use, invest and risk. More so in Japan, where the huge editorials rule the market with an iron grip. By himself, there isn't that much he can offer authors that editorials can't- Sure, they basically enslave mangaka, but they also get them lucrative contracts on anime adaptations, videogames and merchandise. That's something Akamatsu can't do on his own- even with Kodansha's financial backup, the man can't get a decent and long enough animated adaptation of his own works done.

In short, I see him retiring to pursue his own thing if the next series is another juggernaut, but if it fails, I can see him trying to gain his old fans back in hopes of hitting the jackpot again. He's been quoted in Tumblr as being somewhat disappointed with online publishing (read, J Comi, which is a dumpster for Z-grade manga). He needs another hit the old fashioned style, one way or another.
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