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Old 2013-04-03, 17:58   Link #2821
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It's weird that against Aizen, Isshin didn't use his zanpakuto but he was strong as hell but according to Aizen he needs the bankai to take down that Hollow.
It seems explainable to me. It's obviously a modified hollow designed to be a step above the norm afterall. So here's the first possibility:
-If Isshin is under the effect of a Gentei Reiin (which would hold back 80% of his power), Aizen probably felt that his creation should be at least strong enough to best an injured captain running on 20% power that can't even use bankai anymore.
Now here's the 2nd possibility
-The hollow is based off Aizen's own soul. So if Isshin isn't under the effect of a Gentei Reiin, he'd still have a difficult time fighting what could very well be a Vasto Lorde level hollow (based on a formidable shinigami) in his current condition.

What I find interesting about this chapter is that it more or less confirms at this point that Ichigo's conception was indeed nothing more than an amazingly fortunate coincidence for Aizen. Because lets face it--this whole trial is not going according to plan. That's to say, he didn't plan for a captain to show up. He didn't plan for that hollow to be defeated. And he certainty didn't plan for a female Quincy to be the one responsible for that.

For all intents and purposes, this experiment should be a complete failure. But for whatever reason, Aizen clearly sees wonderful new possibilities arise the moment something goes wrong.

My prediction--this hollow was created based on Aizen's own soul and spiritual energy (thus explaining his high expectations for the hollows performance). So through this whole debacle, Masaki will inadvertently take on both traces of this hollows soul and Aizen's which will then be passed onto Ichigo in time. Of course, the bit about Aizen being the shinigami this hollow was created after is a bit of a stretch. But I like the prospect of Ichigo's soul possibly having a tiny bit of Aizen in it as it would provide further evidence to support his inherent potential and rate of growth.
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Old 2013-04-03, 18:16   Link #2822
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That one scene solidified Masaki's awesome in my mind forever.
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Old 2013-04-03, 19:32   Link #2823
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Wow, Ichigo's mom is badass!

Hmm, the reason why Ōetsu didn't allow Ichigo to pass the test is getting clearer. He said the reason was because Ichigo's not a real shinigami, but just a human without a Zanpakuto. Basically a shinigami is the soul of a dead person wielding a Zanpakuto. Apparently, when a Shinigami joins the Gotei 13, he/she is given a nameless Zanpakutō, an Asauchi (we've seen people who got it through other ways though: Ichigo and Kenpachi), which he/she carries around at all times, which in turn imprints the essence of his/her soul in the Asauchi, creating his/her own Zanpakutō. Since Ichigo isn't dead, but is able to wield an Asauchi, he's been dubbed a substitute shinigami. But this isn't the reason why Ōetsu says that he's not a real shinigami. What matters is that Ichigo didn't imprint the essence of his soul in his Asauchi.

Ichigo's soul is made out of a lot of different elements. He's been fighting with all kinds of inherited powers, but can we say that he has been fighting with his own? Some examples:
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We've seen Human Ichigo, then Shinigami Ichigo, then Hollow Ichigo, then Fullbringer Ichigo and now we'll probably see Quincy Ichigo. In order to create his own real Zanpakuto he'll probably have to combine all these parts of his soul/power and imprint these into his Asauchi. The reason why he can't do that now is because he doesn't even know about /understand parts of his own soul. That's why he has to go back to his roots first. He has already learned that his father was a shinigami and he also knows how he got his fullbring powers, but he doesn't know much about the others (Hollow and Quincy) yet. He'll probably go back to his 'rainy world' and maybe meet his mother there. Zangetsu and Whitey will probably be there too.

I also wonder who the shinigami that was used to create 'Whitey' was. Zangetsu? And Ichigo's Asauchi took his shape somehow? The Asauchi at Ōetsu's place, who were fighting Ichigo and Renji, were all faceless after all. So they probably change shape according to the soul of the user. It might be a random shinigami 'kidnapped' by Aizen and co too though..:P
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Old 2013-04-03, 20:09   Link #2824
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I'm more and more starting to doubt Masaki was killed, especially the way we were told. She didn't even need equipment to fight; unless that schoolgirl outfit somehow counts, though she doesn't even have the gloves.
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Old 2013-04-03, 22:19   Link #2825
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at this point bleach has become a joke sorry to say it was good but like with naruto its become so ridiculous its not funny plus again everything points back to aizen and honestly it seems like this whole quincy arc is designed to answer all the questions people may have had.
But another interesting question arises in all this. How has isshin been hiding his spiritual energy this whole time I mean rukia had been in his house all this time and clearly met his dad how did she not sense him and also how come rangiku didn't sense her old captains power once she came to see ichigo and persuade him to stay
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Old 2013-04-03, 22:23   Link #2826
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Aaroniero Arurueri. It was so ridiculous I had to remember it.
haha, nice! ...and indeed ridiculous

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For all intents and purposes, this experiment should be a complete failure. But for whatever reason, Aizen clearly sees wonderful new possibilities arise the moment something goes wrong.
aizen must have seen a twinkle in isshin's eye when he first saw masaki

also, i totally agree that her being done in by that now-weakass grand fisher hollow makes no sense. there's more to her death (or non-death). i'm going to stick to my first hunch and say she'll turn out to be one of the top-tier shitritters
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Old 2013-04-03, 23:06   Link #2827
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So is there anyone else who finds it ridiculous how Masaki died?

I mean she was a damn Quincy and quite a badass one. How the hell did she get her ass killed by small fry like Grand Fisher?
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Old 2013-04-03, 23:26   Link #2828
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Kubo confirmed in an interview awhile back (soon before the start of this whole arc) that there's definitely a truth to reveal behind Masaki's death. So rest assured people, there's more to Masaki's demise than meets the eye. For her to die to fodder like grand fisher means Kubo's probably attempted to come up with a good reason for it. All we can do now is sit back and wait to hear his excuse.
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Old 2013-04-03, 23:45   Link #2829
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Could it really be anything besides her being kidnapped or having left to 'protect' her family like Orihime did? I mean I guess it could've been a Sternritter assassin and Grand Fisher was made to be the scapegoat...but even then it's just a lame excuse to give Ichigo conviction to fight the Vandenreich harder. Her being alive under some extenuating circumstances would be something he could definitely fight to protect (since that's the sort of theme Bleach has come under). No doubt Aizen also has some role to play as well, and we know how much he likes his plans.
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Old 2013-04-04, 00:28   Link #2830
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Old 2013-04-04, 00:58   Link #2831
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Remember ichigo blacked out when he went to go save the girl at the river, he wakes up only to find the corpse of his mum beside him, has anyone asked the question of "how long did he black out for?" anything could have happened in that time. ANYTHING.
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Old 2013-04-04, 04:41   Link #2832
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So is there anyone else who finds it ridiculous how Masaki died?

I mean she was a damn Quincy and quite a badass one. How the hell did she get her ass killed by small fry like Grand Fisher?
It was Aizen using the troll-Cloak.
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Old 2013-04-04, 09:38   Link #2833
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^ looking at sign above , whitey have lost the left arm as well, coincidence? but really at this point Kubo can pull anything out of his ass so i will not be surprise.
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Old 2013-04-04, 10:42   Link #2834
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Perhaps at some point masaki did whatever it is that ishida did when he fought kurotsuchi and lost his powers, leaving her defenseless to hollows.
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Old 2013-04-04, 12:28   Link #2835
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Wow, Masaki was badass. I don't get why she was so sure the hollow would bite her instead of cutting her in half though.



The latest tankoubon release (vol 58).

That is a terrible translation... Based on the katakana reading it should be written as Yuuhabach...
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Old 2013-04-04, 21:33   Link #2836
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Wow, Masaki was badass. I don't get why she was so sure the hollow would bite her instead of cutting her in half though.



The latest tankoubon release (vol 58).

hey thanks for this one! weird translation though.
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Old 2013-04-04, 21:41   Link #2837
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And i'm kinda curious and excited on the Ishida Family's role once the flashbacks are through.
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Old 2013-04-05, 23:17   Link #2838
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so basically the hollow bit masaki which will turn her into a quincy/vizard which would explain how ichigo gets it. Maybe ishida's family will freak out when she hollofies.
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Old 2013-04-06, 01:30   Link #2839
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He was hungry for some human :P. Still she should have a chuck of her bitten off. so how does she seem fine when they first met? or does this happen after they saw each other on that rainy night? What I would like to know is why didn't Aizen carry on the poject and who was the shinigami that he used.
It's not obvious, but there is blood on her shoulder when we see her run up to heal Isshin. My guess is she used blut defensively to keep White from ripping her shoulder off in the initial attack, and healed that injury down to irrelevancy before running to help Isshin.

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Looks like I was right about "White" being created from a shinigami. Question now is whose soul he/she was based on. Obviously I was wrong about my Kaien guess, but who else could it be hmmmm....
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logically, it should be a notable and strong shinigami, but i dont think we have seen anyone who could fit that bill who isn't around anymore. the old 6th squad captain i assume retired into the central 46 chamber or just retired. so that doesn't really leave anyone aside from a new character. maybe one of the defeated kenpachis?
Logic would suggest it's just the soul of some nameless shinigami unlucky enough to have fallen victim to one of the various "shinigami traps" we know Aizen set up throughout the decades to aid in his experiments. Kaname stated this was the first one made using a shinigami soul, so why waste such a valuable, limited-quantity item as the soul of a high-level shinigami—much less a hougyoku-ed off piece of Aizen's own soul (Voldemort much?)—on what is likely to be an initial throwaway in a quest to perfect the process?

Of course, logic doesn't pay the bills at Casa de Kubo (or is it Kubohaus?), so it probably is a known character (although we probably shouldn't completely rule out Ichigo being an upjumped horcrux). That leaves us with a bit of a quandary, as—assuming this incident is pre-Kaien—most every character we know was active at this time is accounted for (if not active) now. The only character I can think of that we know is dead now is Papa Kuchiki (although the current whereabouts of Grandpappy Kuchiki are unknown). Heck, Ichigo is already a human, a shinigami, a hollow, a Visored, a Fullbringer, a Quincy, and a Shiba, he might as well be part Kuchiki as well.

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Old 2013-04-06, 18:13   Link #2840
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I get the feeling that the Shinigami that Aizen used to create this Hollow was Ichigo or better his past life.
I mean , I can see Kubo use this route.
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