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Old 2013-04-08, 16:17   Link #4141
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Legend wise, there is not such thing as "never" for Hercules when it comes to strength.
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Old 2013-04-08, 16:23   Link #4142
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True, Hercules did break them but then again he was stronger than most gods.
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Old 2013-04-08, 19:48   Link #4143
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"Never", eh? Too bad Hercules did break them after Gil slashed out Ilya's eyes and heard her scream.
He broke a chain I heard... I guess its the reference that he has the power to surpass other gods.
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Old 2013-04-08, 19:56   Link #4144
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1) Is there a difference between A and B when it comes to stuff like:
Battle Continuation
Madness Enhancement

Not sure about Battle Continuation, but Mad Enhancement has varying effects. B rank leaves the servant with a modicum of sanity, along with the stat boost. A rank makes them behave more mechanical (and possibly obedient).





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Asking an Archer to be purely reliant on their physical capabilities to win in the holy grail war is like asking a gunfighter to win in a martial arts tournament featuring the world champs of every other hand to hand discipline in the world.
It sort of happened in Extra.

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True, Hercules did break them but then again he was stronger than most gods.

He was also under Mad Enhancement as well, which may have played a part, in addition to requiring his last ounce of strength. Even so, Heracles is Heracles.

Even without divinity, Enkidu is an NP and is tough to break. The bonus against divine enemies is more of an add-on.
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Old 2013-04-08, 22:21   Link #4145
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Yes but what level of NP is the chain? I mean we have seen NP break when a strong enough Servant hits them and Gilgamesh has only use the chain to stop enemies with Divine blood. Lancer, Iskandar, Heracles... did he ever used on Saber or any Servant without divinity attribute? They say it will be a normal chain if there is no divinity present so maybe a normal Servant like Lancelot, Saber or even True Assassin could break free seeing how they have A or B rank in strength.
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Old 2013-04-09, 02:20   Link #4146
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It doesn't have a rank. It's E-A- Anti-unit in my estimates, failing to chain the god that surpasses gods....

The only non-divine character it was used on was Shirou.

@Phoenix: C: Lancer survived against Gae Bolg. Probably C survives one fatal attack or so....
A or B: Berserker survived against A grade Noble Phantasms when he was chained and died to Gae Bolg.
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Old 2013-04-09, 02:56   Link #4147
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The difference between Archer in Extra and the Archer in the discussion is that Extra Archer was not allowed a certain tactic. In the discussion, we're being asked to strip the archer of his bow.
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Old 2013-04-09, 07:45   Link #4148
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He broke a chain I heard... I guess its the reference that he has the power to surpass other gods.
No, it's supposed to show his level of devotion to Ilya, in that he was able to break the unbreakable chain that binds the gods in order to try and save her after she cried out in pain.
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Old 2013-04-09, 13:20   Link #4149
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No, it's supposed to show his level of devotion to Ilya, in that he was able to break the unbreakable chain that binds the gods in order to try and save her after she cried out in pain.
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Didn't he break the chains of a god? I was hoping he'd have a skill that breaks chains made by gods...
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Old 2013-04-10, 11:27   Link #4150
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Well in the end Hercules isn't the best example because his case was special. The chain remains the same for all divine blood Servants and I will like to see a non god Servant bound by it.
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Old 2013-04-10, 12:52   Link #4151
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I might be wrong, but doesn't Mad Enhancement reduce the rank of Divinity?
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Old 2013-04-10, 15:06   Link #4152
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As far as I know just makes you even more crazy as it gives you strenght. But that could be an interesting side effect.
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Old 2013-04-10, 16:20   Link #4153
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I remember reading that somewhere, but i'm not too sure if it comes from an offical source, so i might be wrong, but a reduction in divinity rank would have made breaking Enkidu easier with the strenght boost of mad enhancement
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Old 2013-04-10, 16:28   Link #4154
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He did use it on Shirou though....

---------> Don't give up *HEADSHOTS GIL*
====== THIS! IS! EMIYA! *throws himself into the void with Gilgamesh*
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Old 2013-04-10, 16:35   Link #4155
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If Gil used his chain on Saber, would he consider it a threesome?
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Old 2013-04-10, 16:43   Link #4156
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Nah, just kinky bondage XD.
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Old 2013-04-10, 16:53   Link #4157
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I might be wrong, but doesn't Mad Enhancement reduce the rank of Divinity?
The only two characters that have a reduced rank in divinity are Medusa and Gilgamesh.

Medusa because of her being turned into a Monster and Gilgamesh because he hates gods and rejects his own divinity.

Ko-Gil on the other hand gets the full benefit of being 2/3rds god.

But, yeah, Herc doesn't take a penalty for mad enhancement.

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Old 2013-04-10, 17:01   Link #4158
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Thanks for the clarification
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Old 2013-04-10, 17:03   Link #4159
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If Gil used his chain on Saber, would he consider it a threesome?
Saber doesn't have a single divinity ability though...
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Old 2013-04-10, 17:08   Link #4160
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Saber doesn't have a single divinity ability though...
If Gil wraps the chain around his arm, would it work to hold Saber down?
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