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Old 2013-04-10, 11:48   Link #13121
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Isn't Medaka Box meant to be Nisio's attempt to troll the entirety of Shounen Jump, and the whole genre of Shounen manga?
Yes, and some still haven't noticed *looks at post above mine and laughs out loud*
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Old 2013-04-10, 12:47   Link #13122
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Authors like Tite Kubo, Andrew Hussie, or Nisio Isin do not write badly. They troll, which looks exactly the same as bad writing. Fanbases have told me so. This belief cannot be wrong.
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Old 2013-04-10, 12:50   Link #13123
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There are alot of "those" type of manga.
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Old 2013-04-10, 13:05   Link #13124
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As much as I would like to think he's just trolling the entire time his inability to write a decent climax in this entire manga just screams incompetance. It's one thing to deconstruct, but when the end result is worse that what your mocking at some point you most wonder whats the point.

This is not to say Medaka is overalll worse than your typical bad shounens, but at some points it really is a lot worse.
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Old 2013-04-10, 19:02   Link #13125
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Authors like Tite Kubo, Andrew Hussie, or Nisio Isin do not write badly. They troll, which looks exactly the same as bad writing. Fanbases have told me so. This belief cannot be wrong.
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For them, every day is one of those "no effort" days. It dosen't take much to troll, honestly. It takes alot to write a solid, coherent story that maintains it's quality.
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Old 2013-04-10, 20:08   Link #13126
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So that the story will end in a couple of chapters is a fake?
I say this because no one has confirmed whether it was false or not that announcement.
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Old 2013-04-11, 01:27   Link #13127
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Tempting as it is, I think it's rather narrow minded to view writing you don't like as "bad writing". I'm fine if you give it constructive criticism or say why you don't like it, but "bad writing" is a concept full of vagueries.
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Old 2013-04-11, 01:29   Link #13128
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I think that Hungry Joker will end faster than Medaka
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Old 2013-04-11, 03:52   Link #13129
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Tempting as it is, I think it's rather narrow minded to view writing you don't like as "bad writing". I'm fine if you give it constructive criticism or say why you don't like it, but "bad writing" is a concept full of vagueries.
Actually the easiest and most obvious example what is commonly regarded as bad writing is deus ex machina (I obviously don't have to explain what that means). It's the stuff Plato and early greek philosophers were talking about in regards to poor literary construction (yes you can have what is commonly regarded as poor literary construction. If there wasn't such a baseline respected book critics just wouldn't exist.

of course there's nothing absolute but as with most things in this society it's something determined by consensus that is accepted.
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Old 2013-04-11, 04:13   Link #13130
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I think that Hungry Joker will end faster than Medaka
By a week, what a victory.

Unfortunately Sket Dance probably will get the "old series being static" pressure once Medaka bites the dust, that or Beelzebub.
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Old 2013-04-11, 07:03   Link #13131
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I mean if it will end faster that will just prove that the rumor was a lie.

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Old 2013-04-11, 12:56   Link #13132
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By a week, what a victory.

Unfortunately Sket Dance probably will get the "old series being static" pressure once Medaka bites the dust, that or Beelzebub.
Beelzebub seems to be doing fine in ratings lately again so I dont see that happening in near future with that series.

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Tempting as it is, I think it's rather narrow minded to view writing you don't like as "bad writing". I'm fine if you give it constructive criticism or say why you don't like it, but "bad writing" is a concept full of vagueries.
As have been said from old times deus ex machina was considered to be bad writing. So you are saying that all these literature genius of old were 'narrow minded" cause they called it bad writing?

I do realize that you can imitate bad writing on purpose, but sometimes bad writing is just bad writing.
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Old 2013-04-11, 15:09   Link #13133
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You need to take the context and time period of a work into account. Does this mean that Greek myths are automatically "bad writing" because Deus Ex Machina is used? Tropes like these depend on execution, it's not just "bad" from the outset. There's also the fact that tropes become disliked because they're overused, not because they're inherently bad(like happy endings or redeeming villains).

This is a persistent problem on this thread; someone sees an aspect of the plot they dislike, they call it "bad writing". Yes, because there's an authority on this, of course, or people all agreeing must make it an absolute truth. I know it's your opinion, but the way this opinion is expressed gives off the impression that there's a definitive criteria for bad writing, and I kind of find that somewhat arrogant.

There are many ways in which people can critique or criticize a work. Sometimes it's internal consistency, sometimes lack of realism, sometimes it's a perceived shallowness of the work. Or sometimes it's all of them.
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Old 2013-04-11, 16:02   Link #13134
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By a week, what a victory.

Unfortunately Sket Dance probably will get the "old series being static" pressure once Medaka bites the dust, that or Beelzebub.
When are those gonna end again?
Also Bleach needs to bite the dust.
Wasn't Naruto supposed to be ending sometime soon? Well i guess they're gonna milk it for atleast another half year.
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Old 2013-04-11, 16:16   Link #13135
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When are those gonna end again?
Also Bleach needs to bite the dust.
In February of last year, Tite Kubo said the manga is in its final arc.
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Old 2013-04-11, 16:30   Link #13136
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Tempting as it is, I think it's rather narrow minded to view writing you don't like as "bad writing". I'm fine if you give it constructive criticism or say why you don't like it, but "bad writing" is a concept full of vagueries.
Compared to his Monogatari series, the writing in Medaka Box is really lackluster. The conversations aren't anywhere near as interesting and while a lot of the concepts are interesting and subvert shounen tropes, their execution leaves a lot to be desired.

As a shounen battle manga it completely fails because I'm really not vested in any of the struggles of any of the characters. The fighting and action itself also isn't that well done. As a comedy/parody it's pretty amusing at times but sometimes it focuses too much on trying to be a shounen battle manga, which is its weakest aspect.
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Old 2013-04-12, 08:29   Link #13137
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New chapter. Oh wow,
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Poor CXC with all these 98 handwritten messages.
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Old 2013-04-12, 10:37   Link #13138
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Zenkichi's reaction this chapter...

Noooo, nooooo!!!!! God damn it I had finally gotten away. She won't leave me alone.
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Old 2013-04-12, 11:06   Link #13139
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Well, she now has gotten some bigger responsibilities, so let Zenkichi take the lead.
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Old 2013-04-12, 12:04   Link #13140
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Poor CXC with all these 98 handwritten messages.
I know, right?
Don't hate on me but I actually liked this chapter ...aside from translating a ton of handwritten messages.
Spoiler for 190:
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