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Old 2013-04-15, 03:09   Link #261
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Damn it you guys. STOP posting all the animated gifs!! I'm reading this thread right now through an old computer and you LITERALLY killing my computer's responsiveness with cuteness.
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Oh man, i'm using cheap modem with incredibly low speed access and all these gifs totally kills my connection T_T

Guess i should just stay away for now
I put the animated GIFs from the last two pages in images tags (so they won't load by default). Going forward, I'd like to ask all avatar/gif-makers to please do the same.
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Old 2013-04-15, 03:35   Link #262
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I completely understand bro; you just want her for her body.
How rude! I like everything about her! ... I mean ... I don't!
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Old 2013-04-15, 03:44   Link #263
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How rude! I like everything about her! ... I mean ... I don't!
What, you want all of her precious as well? Thats kinda bold... but I'll leave it as that.

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Old 2013-04-15, 04:42   Link #264
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errh.... if there's anything to talk about, discuss the characters or episode proper. the excessive shipping and waifu posts just make it harder for a series to get a subforum......
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Old 2013-04-15, 04:48   Link #265
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I am not really that convinced that our MC has PR skills initially, to be honest. Perhaps it's the lack of confidence that undermines that informed trait. Perhaps, it's also because the character design reminds me of a certain trap from Minami-ke.

Now, if the MC was designed in a more Shojou protagonist manner, I think, ironically, his pre-curse self would be more credible. And I think this anime would be even better regarded - cliche Shojou protagonist loses his inhibitions to a enchanted cat statue, and ends up behaving like a particular variant of a Harem protagonist, rather than a Beta herbivore who screams Harem protagonist in mannerism and deed from the get-go.
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Old 2013-04-15, 05:15   Link #266
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I'm guessing it's something resulting from translation issues. While 'PR skills' can be attributed as 'tatemae', it's not strictly that. The 'tatemae' and 'honne' concept can be simplified as "the mask(tatemae) and the real face(honne) behind it'. In a cruder way, it's about 'lies' and 'honesty'.

Yokodera seemed to burst out lies and excuses almost instinctively to avoid problems and it worked, brilliantly . What I initially found unconvincing though, was why he thought he needed to get rid of this 'tatemae' in order to get closer to girls. I mean, RL pimps strive on their 'tatemae' to score in a partner, among other tools in their disposal.

Though, I can guess the reason being however impure his thoughts are, Yokodera still wants any relationship he has to be a pure one. Purely perverted relationship with consent from both parties
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Old 2013-04-15, 05:18   Link #267
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I am not really that convinced that our MC has PR skills initially, to be honest. Perhaps it's the lack of confidence that undermines that informed trait. Perhaps, it's also because the character design reminds me of a certain trap from Minami-ke.

Now, if the MC was designed in a more Shojou protagonist manner, I think, ironically, his pre-curse self would be more credible. And I think this anime would be even better regarded - cliche Shojou protagonist loses his inhibitions to a enchanted cat statue, and ends up behaving like a particular variant of a Harem protagonist, rather than a Beta herbivore who screams Harem protagonist in mannerism and deed from the get-go.
First, what do you mean by "convinced" and "PR" skills? I'm guessing "PR" was a word chosen by certain translators for "Tatemae" (was CR using this?). I personally think that it is an acceptable translation but still might be misinterpreted (though I would believe that the context should drastically lessen the chance of that happening).

'Tatemae', where one does not speak his true voice/thoughts, is pretty much a characteristic trait of Japanese and in fact a valued etiquette. Which means practically all Japanese practice it, to one degree or another. Surprisingly,I found that there is actually an English wiki article on it after looking it up in ja wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honne_and_tatemae. So how is it hard to believe that he doesn't have PR skills (Tatemae)?

Though this episode merely illustrates the MC unable to decline becoming the successor to the T&F team's captainship (maybe the steel bar has some effect too of course ), I would presume the LN might have other anecdotes or monologue on how Tatemae is causing him problems in his life to give a better picture.

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I'm guessing it's something resulting from translation issues. While 'PR skills' can be attributed as 'tatemae', it's not strictly that. The 'tatemae' and 'honne' concept can be simplified as "the mask(tatemae) and the real face(honne) behind it'. In a cruder way, it's about 'lies' and 'honesty'.

Yokodera seemed to burst out lies and excuses almost instinctively to avoid problems and it worked, brilliantly . What I initially found unconvincing though, was why he thought he needed to get rid of this 'tatemae' in order to get closer to girls. I mean, RL pimps strive on their 'tatemae' to score in a partner, among other tools in their disposal.

Though, I can guess the reason being however impure his thoughts are, Yokodera still wants any relationship he has to be a pure one. Purely perverted relationship with consent from both parties
I wonder about this too, but I'm guessing that some critical info has been cut out from the novel......
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Old 2013-04-15, 05:23   Link #268
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It feels very disjointed though- isn't there a better way to translate it?
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Old 2013-04-15, 07:00   Link #269
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Is "honne" = true face/feelings/emotions and "tatemae" = facade a decent translation for the two terms?
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Old 2013-04-15, 07:51   Link #270
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Old 2013-04-15, 08:33   Link #271
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How do you make gifs anyway? Is there a nice little software I can use?
well it's kinda complicated to learn after that you get used to it and become easy

i dont think there is small and easy software to make gif
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Old 2013-04-15, 10:42   Link #272
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every named character in this anime is cute. even the MC
Funny enough, the MC could pass for a trap with a little tweaking.

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I like the track captain well enough in concept, but I'd like to see a bit more depth beyond just the "Army Drill Sergeant" exterior at the moment. I think we saw a little glimpse of it, but still not much yet. If she has the personality I'm expecting beneath the surface, I think I'll like her too.
Well you can say the same about pretty much every character so far, but I am indeed looking to how they will all fleshed out.

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Koutetsu no Ou is one of my main reasons to watch this

She is going to be absolutely hilarious. I only say MIT. No, don't ask if you don't know the connection already, it would be a spoiler.

She's already damn hilarious.
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Old 2013-04-15, 10:54   Link #273
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Is "honne" = true face/feelings/emotions and "tatemae" = facade a decent translation for the two terms?
For honne, I would say yes. 'Honne' essentially = speaking your mind
For tatemae, it would depend, for certain context and situations, it might be appropriate when there's some overlap, I guess......

(Note that, if I end my reply with just the above, it will be a sort of tatemae )

My opinion and undertsanding (not to be quoted as truth ):
However, on the whole, in this particular context of the show, if I had to choose between the two, I am of the opinion that 'PR 'would be the closer translation than 'facade'.

From my understanding, a 'facade' is more like putting up an act, a front, to deceive, to pretend, to conceal, to be superficial, to be hypocritical. There can be many reasons and purposes for a person to put on a facade, but to put on a 'tatemae' would imply that the person has the intention to be polite, to not hurt the feelings of the other party, to preserve harmony, to not oppose, to follow the crowd/majority. Of course, one can put on a 'facade' for similar reasons, but the scope is less restrictive than 'tatemae', and I also get the impression that a 'facade' is more of persistent behavioral pattern and specific to an individual, but 'tatemae' is more situational and societal-based and usually with respect to verbal communication.

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Incidentally, I just went to look up the origin of tatemae (建前). It's quite interesting but a pain to translate and put into English

However, fortunately, there are also a surprisingly large number of articles in English that explains tatemae:
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/communit.../#.UWwg5aIwre8
http://www.kirainet.com/english/honne-and-tatemae/
http://www.mynippon.com/RomanceNews0201/story12.htm
http://wlconline.drake.edu/japanese/...honne-tatemae/

I'm no expert in linguistics, so read them yourself and judge which is a 'better' English word for 'tatemae' yourself.
In short, I think 'facade' can work as well, but the intention behind putting on the facade will be lost in translation compared to 'PR'.
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Old 2013-04-15, 11:02   Link #274
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So, I can't be the only one who likes the track captain.

...right guys?
To be frank, I'm one of those on the bandwagon as well. I just hope there's more to her than the demeanour that led to her famed moniker of "Kotetsu no Ou".
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Old 2013-04-15, 11:11   Link #275
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hnngh these girls are drawn so moe
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Old 2013-04-15, 12:29   Link #276
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Funny enough, the MC could pass for a trap with a little tweaking.
I sense foreshadowing....
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Old 2013-04-15, 13:36   Link #277
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Yea this episode is pure win. All those characters are awesome. I say MC is very lucky before he made that wish
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Old 2013-04-15, 13:49   Link #278
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Old 2013-04-15, 14:31   Link #279
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Just watched ep 1

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Your choice? LOL

"Hentai Ouji" should be promoted to "Hentai Ou" after being down a certain Blond Flat Chested Loli Princess, LOL
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Old 2013-04-15, 15:42   Link #280
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That was cuteness overload. I'm kinda tired of Kaji's voice, YuiKaori sure is a plus. Pretty unusual performance by Yukarin here. If only they'd add Hocchan as well to complete the double duo.
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