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Old 2013-04-18, 01:06   Link #1641
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her = Kirino?
Ayase. I mean Ayase still hasn't realized she has feelings for Kyousuke at that time.
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Old 2013-04-18, 01:27   Link #1642
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And the pinch in Volume 12 Prologue, it seems like Kuroneko is determined in forcing Ayase to tell Kirino that Ayase's gonna confess to Kyousuke.
I'd say that this is basically a red herring that has nothing to do with Ayase, but has everything to do with Kirino. Kuroneko's likely trying to create a sense of urgency so that Kirino will settle things re: Kyousuke once and for all. (At the end of the day, Ruri is Kirino's ally, not Ayase's.) I think it's actually because of this that it's unlikely that Kyousuke will actually end up with Ayase, because it makes little structural sense; using the "threat" of Ayase confessing accomplishes nothing if Ayase does it and Kyousuke says yes. Then both Ruri and Kirino both have to be like "gg" and walk away. It has no parallels to anything else in the story; all the foreshadowing earlier in the narrative is thrown out.

I want to be clear that I don't have anything against Ayase and all, and actually quite liked her true route in the PSP game a lot (one of the best in the game, IMO). But I think it's just not going to happen with the next volume being the last. Of course, time will tell.
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Old 2013-04-18, 01:47   Link #1643
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I think Ayase had always "liked" Kyousuke, but its one of those love-hate situations.

When they first met, she is able to recognize Kyousuke as a brother who cares for Kirino a lot despite what when on during their first meeting.

But because of Kyousuke's awkward solution to Kirino's problems (and how he "sexually harasses" her), she gained this disgusted attitude towards Kyousuke - but she is still able to see right past Kyousuke's lie and knows he is only going to such extremes for Kirino. I think over time as similar things happen again and again in various shapes or form, her feelings towards Kyousuke deepened. I am sure Kirino keeps Ayase informed of everything Kyousuke has been up to.

I see her tsun towards Kyousuke as a disguise to hide her actual feelings, and of course, is there for comedy effects.

Then Kyousuke got a girlfriend.

What does she do? Calls him to her room and throws a tantrum. She thought Kyousuke has feelings towards her (why else will he flirt with her all the time and even asked her to marry him?), and she feels betrayed: as if Kyousuke has really lied to her.

Kyousuke x Kuroneko is a rude awakening to Ayase that if she keeps her feelings hidden, Kyousuke *will* slip away from her grasp. The party over at Kyousuke's temporary apartment only confirms that: as it becomes clear there are quite a few strong candidates going after Kyousuke. The sense of urgency would logically raise.

Luckily for her, Kirino has no clue about how Ayase really feels towards Kyousuke, and she was given the duty of taking caring of Kyousuke. So for a while, she pretty much acted as his waifu - and I am sure her feelings towards Kyousuke reached a new height during that period.

The stalker event is a tipping point: Kyousuke demonstrated how he will risk injury and his all important exam for her sake. She now has proof that Kyousuke will act for her similar to how he cherished Kirino for the past year.

Thus the confession.
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Old 2013-04-18, 01:48   Link #1644
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She still doesn't understand "why" is she angry in Volume 9 where it's written in her perspective, and still reacts heavily to "co-habitation" when she first cooked for Kyousuke. But she is already ready for a confession right before the stalker incident. I might have overestimated Kuroneko but I'm seeing this as Kuroneko pulling the strings.

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I'd say that this is basically a red herring that has nothing to do with Ayase, but has everything to do with Kirino. Kuroneko's likely trying to create a sense of urgency so that Kirino will settle things re: Kyousuke once and for all. (At the end of the day, Ruri is Kirino's ally, not Ayase's.) I think it's actually because of this that it's unlikely that Kyousuke will actually end up with Ayase, because it makes little structural sense; using the "threat" of Ayase confessing accomplishes nothing if Ayase does it and Kyousuke says yes. Then both Ruri and Kirino both have to be like "gg" and walk away. It has no parallels to anything else in the story; all the foreshadowing earlier in the narrative is thrown out.

I want to be clear that I don't have anything against Ayase and all, and actually quite liked her true route in the PSP game a lot (one of the best in the game, IMO). But I think it's just not going to happen with the next volume being the last. Of course, time will tell.
I simply think Kuroneko isn't that kind of evil person who would bring a girl into the battlefield planning to slaughter her hopes all along. Both Kyousuke and Kirino sees their "ceremonies" as sign of both of them being good friends.
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Old 2013-04-18, 04:05   Link #1645
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Although it is a common troupe for the MC to end up with the girl who quietly supports all her competition. In that regard, Minami has a chance but she is friendzoned on the other hand Kuroneko isn't. The only reason Ayase is such a strong contender now is that the flow of the story has flown in her direction in the past few volumes or so making the Ayase end a believable choice. Although Kuroneko still has a chance.
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Old 2013-04-18, 08:52   Link #1646
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As much as I love Ayase's appearances, outside of v9 I feel that she has been more of a side character. The series spent a lot more time on Kirino's ota-side, which stars Kuroneko, and she had the chance to "take over" during the time when Kirino is gone and carry over her importance during the time when she is dating Kyousuke.

I do not know how strong the feelings Kyousuke towards Kuroneko is. They have spent a lot of time together and Kyousuke doesn't seem attracted to Kuroneko until she gave him the kiss. I always feel Kuroneko only succeed because Kyousuke wanted the idea of having a girlfriend (doesn't matter who).

His attraction towards Ayase is on another level. He thinks she is pretty, to a point where he can use pictures of Ayase as stress relief during exam crunch time (he only checks them out... I think...... right?) - and I think that is important: because in reality looks *do* matter, especially when you are on the Ayase level. His reaction toward Ayase (rushing to her, and flirting around, aka "sexual harassment") is also unique to her: it reminds me of a child in love of someone.

Kuroneko and Ayase can be seen as two halves of Kirino: with Kuroneko representing the hardcore ACG fanatic and Ayase representing the pretty student model with a tsuntsun character.

If this is just a race between Kuroneko and Ayase, I would say Kuroneko has higher odds of winning.

I am an Ayase fan. Kuroneko is too much ota for me -_-.
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Old 2013-04-18, 09:05   Link #1647
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I'm a Kuroneko fan but expecting an Ayase end lol
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Old 2013-04-18, 09:17   Link #1648
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I thought I'd been following the light novels for the most part by reading summaries and such online, but I somehow forgot or missed the part where Ayase wants to or has confessed to kyosuke? /:

I'm just realizing what terrible people these girls are. They're all friends but they like the SAME GUY, and in the end they only care about being with him, regardless of the fact that it will hurt the people they are close to. Excluding Kirino, I really hope Kyosuke ends up with none of them.
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Old 2013-04-18, 09:54   Link #1649
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So it's okay if they hurt each other's feeling if they aren't 'friends' or acquainted with each other?
Isn't it natural to be hurt if the one you like didn't choose you whether the chosen individual is a friend or not. It will yield a similar effect... someone will get hurt...
Maybe we haven't read as far as you did but we don't think they only cared to be with him or being the chosen one. In love, by extension one must also consider the loved ones of the targeted person... one way or the other....
We're sure that they're pretty aware that one of them will be hurt but still goes forward... especially Kuro...
And its not like their friendship totally turned sour just because of a man...
They still remain friends albeit being rivals... which is a good thing rather than going for each others throats, ruining their friendship just to be with him... which would surely make them terrible people...
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Old 2013-04-18, 10:51   Link #1650
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Kuroneko may be selfish, but if her selfish desires help her best friend re-affirm her bond with her brother, then let Kuroneko be as selfish as she wants.
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Old 2013-04-18, 16:29   Link #1651
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So it's okay if they hurt each other's feeling if they aren't 'friends' or acquainted with each other?
Isn't it natural to be hurt if the one you like didn't choose you whether the chosen individual is a friend or not. It will yield a similar effect... someone will get hurt...
Maybe we haven't read as far as you did but we don't think they only cared to be with him or being the chosen one. In love, by extension one must also consider the loved ones of the targeted person... one way or the other....
We're sure that they're pretty aware that one of them will be hurt but still goes forward... especially Kuro...
And its not like their friendship totally turned sour just because of a man...
They still remain friends albeit being rivals... which is a good thing rather than going for each others throats, ruining their friendship just to be with him... which would surely make them terrible people...
Yeah, I see your point. But i feel like the whole thing about relationships is a given, that's a part of life. There are always consequences to your actions, whether they be good or bad. I think when it gets messy is when you add the fact that they 'are friends', interact with each other, and supposedly care about one another. So everything they do in regards to gaining kyosuke's love and attention has so much more weight and speaks a lot to their character. Also it makes them seem bit two faced.

But yeah, I guess they ultimately don't let it ruin their relationship as friends... Which I think is so bizarre.
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Old 2013-04-18, 18:06   Link #1652
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I thought I'd been following the light novels for the most part by reading summaries and such online, but I somehow forgot or missed the part where Ayase wants to or has confessed to kyosuke? /:
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I'm just realizing what terrible people these girls are. They're all friends but they like the SAME GUY, and in the end they only care about being with him, regardless of the fact that it will hurt the people they are close to. Excluding Kirino, I really hope Kyosuke ends up with none of them.
Excuse me, since when did Kuroneko care only about herself?
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Old 2013-04-18, 19:59   Link #1653
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Question on the discussion about Kyousuke's "unusual" personality on /a/... is Kyousuke's personality similar to Koyomi Araragi's before what happened to Sakurai?
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Old 2013-04-18, 22:55   Link #1654
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Question on the discussion about Kyousuke's "unusual" personality on /a/... is Kyousuke's personality similar to Koyomi Araragi's before what happened to Sakurai?
Well.. something like that. But Koyomi is in a far more serious situation where he is willing to die. Kyousuke's personality is a little more realistic where he just tries his best for everyone.
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Old 2013-04-22, 04:20   Link #1655
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Just watch the episode 3 of the second season, so were they also explain Kaori's back story on the light novel like they did on Saori route on the second PSP game? I only read cetranslation summary but never read the novel itself, and they never said about Kaori's sickness on their summary...
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Old 2013-04-23, 01:34   Link #1656
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I mentioned about the author saying he'll make Kirino wear a wedding dress again in Volume 9's author's note. If this is happening it's highly likely that it's Kirino's wedding. Having Kirino's wedding at the epilogue would prove that Kirino is leading a happy life while having completely given up on her brother.. unlike a certain sad PSP ending.
Who will she marry?
While it could be someone completely new to the story. I'm inclined to think that if this is happening it will be Mikagami.
Misaki initially introduced Mikagami and Kirino to each other (after the Kyousuke fake boyfriend incident) in order to pair them up, this was mentioned in the novels. Given that Misaki intends to have Kirino further her modelling career abroad, it's highly likely she'll be sending Mikagami abroad too.
When you are abroad, it becomes likely that you will rely on someone you know from your homeland, especially considering Mikagami and Kirino have scaringly similar hobbies. It's not hard to see this development. This could be mentioned through a few pages (There's no need to go into detail, this is unrelated to the brother-sister theme already) and jump straight to a wedding 10 years later.
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Old 2013-04-23, 05:38   Link #1657
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I mentioned about the author saying he'll make Kirino wear a wedding dress again in Volume 9's author's note. If this is happening it's highly likely that it's Kirino's wedding. Having Kirino's wedding at the epilogue would prove that Kirino is leading a happy life while having completely given up on her brother.. unlike a certain sad PSP ending.
Who will she marry?
While it could be someone completely new to the story. I'm inclined to think that if this is happening it will be Mikagami.
Misaki initially introduced Mikagami and Kirino to each other (after the Kyousuke fake boyfriend incident) in order to pair them up, this was mentioned in the novels. Given that Misaki intends to have Kirino further her modelling career abroad, it's highly likely she'll be sending Mikagami abroad too.
When you are abroad, it becomes likely that you will rely on someone you know from your homeland, especially considering Mikagami and Kirino have scaringly similar hobbies. It's not hard to see this development. This could be mentioned through a few pages (There's no need to go into detail, this is unrelated to the brother-sister theme already) and jump straight to a wedding 10 years later.
While it's possible for this development, since Mikagami is the only possible love interest for Kirino at this point, Vol 10 turned Mikagami into an otaku that only interested in 2D loli girl.....
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Old 2013-04-23, 06:17   Link #1658
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While it's possible for this development, since Mikagami is the only possible love interest for Kirino at this point, Vol 10 turned Mikagami into an otaku that only interested in 2D loli girl.....
That can be fixed in 10 years.... I think....
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Old 2013-04-27, 17:50   Link #1659
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That can be fixed in 10 years.... I think....
ahhh you're making it seemed like "there will be no future for kyousukeXkirino" hahahaha
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Old 2013-04-28, 08:57   Link #1660
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I highly doubt Kirino is going to marry someone else. Rather, I highly doubt we're going to get an ending where any of Kyousuke's romantic interests, Kirino included, will marry someone else. If anything, it'll probably be like one of the endings in the PSP Game where we see Kyousuke with the girl he's chosen and maybe 1 or 2 characters will visit him and his girl.
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