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Old 2013-04-23, 21:41   Link #241
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Yeah, it's interesting how Touma defeats his opponents not through sheer power (and, yes, you guessed it, plot armor) but through smart use of his extremely useful but very limited ability.

And come on, so women want FREAKING GENDER EQUALITY? Touma gives them just that. Women deserve to be hit in the face when they do something evil just as much as the men, you know.
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Old 2013-04-23, 21:54   Link #242
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thats what makes kamijou great. sure he may have plot armor but these days most MC seems to be relying on them just as much if not MORE and touma has reasons and explanation to why his opponents lose in their fight which helps make it more understandable and the fact that precog helps him time his opponents move which is proven he doesn't rely on PIS. but CIS i'm not to sure about that.

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Old 2013-04-23, 22:02   Link #243
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Well, I could accuse Touma of having CIS on his side, but come on, if mages and espers fight by the only way they know and it's their first time seeing a walking death machine that can cancel everything they throw at him and does not go down no matter what they do to him, can you really blame them?
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Old 2013-04-23, 22:14   Link #244
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no i agree. maybe at the beginning touma had no plot armor but later on throughout the story he began to rely on it including CIS(though its still debatable on the plot armor part but CIS that part is true)..
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Old 2013-04-23, 22:18   Link #245
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Well, back to topic, if there's one thing I like about the dub, they dodged a bullet on this one:

They renamed "Roman Catholic Church" into "Church of the Cross". It isn't so obvious at first, but "Church of the Cross" is so much better than anything like "Church of Rome".

If they used anything like RCC or Church of Rome, expect to see a lot of fireworks. It's rather odd they used "English Puritan Church" for the Church of England, but I guess the Puritans aren't really that popular nowadays, I guess.
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Old 2013-04-23, 22:27   Link #246
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But I want to see fireworks...
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Old 2013-04-23, 22:28   Link #247
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im not gonna argue with that statement because it sounded somewhat odd to me when they say roman catholic church rather then church of the cross. they really did made some improvement compare to at least some parts in the sub. but i felt like the dub was quite decent sure some of the voice actors for a few characters sound off but touma and styl were good(especially styl you have to admit it sounded quite menacing for his character).
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Old 2013-04-24, 02:59   Link #248
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JudasMartel's English Dub Voices Review

THE HOT
+++++ Micah Solusod as Touma sounds freaking awesome, and as an added bonus, he doesn't have his trademark catchphrases anymore, and they were replaced by something even more awesome! I could have asked for JYB as Touma, asides that there's nothing else I could ask for.
+++++ The two other members of the Delta Force, Aogami and Tsuchimikado, especially the latter. I think they sounded really badass, and even better, they call Touma "Kami", which could translate to "God" for the imaginative!
+++++ Misha Croitsef aka Angel Gabriel. If anyone wants to sound like a real angel of God, they should sound like her.
++++ As mentioned above, Robert McCollum as Stiyl. He doesn't have any British accent here, though, but I guess that's asking for too much.
++++ English version of Kaori Kanzaki. Sounds like a true blue action girl to me.
+++ Monica Rial as Index. She sounded much cuter than Yuka Iguchi-san IMO, but as a result sounded more annoying as well. Can I say "Sandy Fox should have been Index" here?
+++ Brittney Karbowski as Mikoto is an odd case. While she sounds like a bratty teenager, it fits Mikoto because she IS a bratty teenager. Yeah, it's really like that.

THE NOT
++ Dubcelerator is a real downer. He doesn't sound as arrogant and ruthless as the original Japanese version. At least he could do it just fine, but as somebody said, it's a combination of the English dubber being a newbie and of Nobuhiko Okamoto-san being really that good.
++ The Misaka clones, including Last Order. While they got the syntax right, the intonation didn't sound right. The intonation was supposed to be placed after the end of the speech quotation, not at the end of the sentence. Moreover, the Misaka clones (except LO) didn't sound robotic (but they ain't robots, right?), while LO sounds too mature for her physical appearance. But at least I could enjoy LO saying "Misaka Misaka says!"

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+ Kuroko Shirai, can you please sound a little bit more narcissistic?

Sorry, I haven't heard Kazakiri and Sherry Cromwell yet.
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Old 2013-04-24, 03:02   Link #249
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I probably should ask this in the beginning but where did you watch these?
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Old 2013-04-24, 03:14   Link #250
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I'm curious, why is nobody talking about the Railgun English dub?
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Old 2013-04-24, 07:39   Link #251
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They renamed "Roman Catholic Church" into "Church of the Cross".
This is incorrect. They refer to Christianity as the Church of the Cross. Dubbed Stiyl very clearly says "Roman Catholic Church" in the Deep Blood arc several times. The only significant change I noticed in the dub was Annihilatus is renamed to Annihilation Survey. They get everything else right, for the most part.

The biggest problems with the dub overall are Accelerator, pronunciation and poorly spoken dialogue. A good example of the bad dialogue is when Stiyl implies his actual name means "Strong" rather than his magic name. The whole thing felt like a rush job. The actors obviously weren't given time to adjust to their roles or perfect the delivery of their lines. Railgun's dub is much better, but I think they chose poorly in casting Saten.

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Sorry, I haven't heard Kazakiri and Sherry Cromwell yet.
They nailed their roles.

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Old 2013-04-28, 04:01   Link #252
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But I want to see fireworks...
i don't know how does fireworks come into this topic.
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JudasMartel's English Dub Voices Review

THE HOT
+++++ Micah Solusod as Touma sounds freaking awesome, and as an added bonus, he doesn't have his trademark catchphrases anymore, and they were replaced by something even more awesome! I could have asked for JYB as Touma, asides that there's nothing else I could ask for.
+++++ The two other members of the Delta Force, Aogami and Tsuchimikado, especially the latter. I think they sounded really badass, and even better, they call Touma "Kami", which could translate to "God" for the imaginative!
+++++ Misha Croitsef aka Angel Gabriel. If anyone wants to sound like a real angel of God, they should sound like her.
++++ As mentioned above, Robert McCollum as Stiyl. He doesn't have any British accent here, though, but I guess that's asking for too much.
++++ English version of Kaori Kanzaki. Sounds like a true blue action girl to me.
+++ Monica Rial as Index. She sounded much cuter than Yuka Iguchi-san IMO, but as a result sounded more annoying as well. Can I say "Sandy Fox should have been Index" here?
+++ Brittney Karbowski as Mikoto is an odd case. While she sounds like a bratty teenager, it fits Mikoto because she IS a bratty teenager. Yeah, it's really like that.

THE NOT
++ Dubcelerator is a real downer. He doesn't sound as arrogant and ruthless as the original Japanese version. At least he could do it just fine, but as somebody said, it's a combination of the English dubber being a newbie and of Nobuhiko Okamoto-san being really that good.
++ The Misaka clones, including Last Order. While they got the syntax right, the intonation didn't sound right. The intonation was supposed to be placed after the end of the speech quotation, not at the end of the sentence. Moreover, the Misaka clones (except LO) didn't sound robotic (but they ain't robots, right?), while LO sounds too mature for her physical appearance. But at least I could enjoy LO saying "Misaka Misaka says!"

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+ Kuroko Shirai, can you please sound a little bit more narcissistic?

Sorry, I haven't heard Kazakiri and Sherry Cromwell yet.
i beleive if they just remove touma usual catchphrase "such misfortune" and added something else then he would probably have even less haters but thats just a guess and i have to admit touma dub voice seems to really suit him(though sounds somewhat emo).
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Old 2013-04-28, 21:02   Link #253
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i beleive if they just remove touma usual catchphrase "such misfortune" and added something else then he would probably have even less haters but thats just a guess and i have to admit touma dub voice seems to really suit him(though sounds somewhat emo).
They didn't remove his catchphrase. He says "Just my luck". It's a difference of interpretation.
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Old 2013-04-28, 21:13   Link #254
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They didn't remove his catchphrase. He says "Just my luck". It's a difference of interpretation.
thats what im stating if they just used those simple words, its sounds somewhat less whiney and more of a serious tone in my opinion.
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Old 2013-04-28, 22:36   Link #255
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Too bad he never said his other catchphrase in S1.
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Old 2013-04-28, 23:45   Link #256
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what was his old catchphrase in season 1 again?
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Old 2013-04-29, 00:01   Link #257
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He only used his "such misfortune" catchphrase in S1 and started using his "I destroy those illusions" in S2. That's at least according to my memory if I'm not mistaken.
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Old 2013-04-29, 00:03   Link #258
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He has been using them all ever since the beginning.

Depending on who you ask, his third catchphrase would be "I dont need a reason to help."
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Old 2013-05-01, 11:41   Link #259
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Old 2013-05-01, 12:41   Link #260
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I wonder when Funi is going to pick up season 2
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