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Old 2013-04-24, 17:47   Link #2981
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For some reason when I finished the chapter I imagined what jokes would Alchemist007 come up with his comics. Two hints: Fanservice and symbolism. XD
Well, actually...

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Next week: Ichigo's been a Hollow with with shinigami powers this whole time!
Rearranging these words inspired me to make one this time
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Old 2013-04-24, 18:18   Link #2982
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Isshin being Squad 0 was never more than a fan theory. A popular fan theory, of course, but a theory nonetheless. The only thing suggesting the two had anything to do with each other was that we, as fans, didn't know much about either. If it had been the case, we'd have all been "Okay, fair enough", but it not being the case is hardly some glaring plot hole.
never said it was a plothole (although it is sloppy), but i do think some things pointed to it. hitsugaya and rangiku were in his frikkin house and didn't see, notice, have any sort of revelation about their former captain... this goes for all of SS. it really wasn't very hard to find him. add to that that ichigo looks just like the shiba and again it is proven that SS is a bunch of idiots. to say that they never saw him is just dumb. it would only make sense if he was RG since nobody but yama-jii and maybe a couple other senior captains would even know of him.

also, in FKT arc, he was heads and shoulders above the other captains in skill. only urahara and yama-jii were comparable. why is that? he was only squad 10 captain after all. why could he hold his own for a while when captains like shunsui and ukitake could not? he also had new knowledge about the precipice world and a crazy amount of stamina to hold the walls from closing while ichigo trained. that wasn't normal captain-level stuff. like flicking aizen through buildings for instance. i don't see the current squad 10 captain doing anything remotely like that, but i could see RG members doing similar stuff in the future

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Rearranging these words inspired me to make one this time
you mean like 'Next hollow: shinigami's been a power with ichigo this whole time'?
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Old 2013-04-24, 20:11   Link #2983
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So quincies are the opposite of shinigami, humans are the opposite of hollows and fullbringers are the opposite of... relevant. Which leaves us without an explanation of how quincies are born, if they don't count as humans any more.
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Old 2013-04-24, 22:04   Link #2984
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So quincies are the opposite of shinigami, humans are the opposite of hollows and fullbringers are the opposite of... relevant. Which leaves us without an explanation of how quincies are born, if they don't count as humans any more.
I think it is more shinigami/hollow and human/quincies. Shinigami are all about interilizeing thier powers where as hollows are about externalizeing them. Quincies are all about useing external sources of power where as humans like the Don use internal based powers. so the opposite of a quincy hollow is a human Shinigami.
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Old 2013-04-26, 00:29   Link #2985
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never said it was a plothole (although it is sloppy), but i do think some things pointed to it. hitsugaya and rangiku were in his frikkin house and didn't see, notice, have any sort of revelation about their former captain... this goes for all of SS. it really wasn't very hard to find him. add to that that ichigo looks just like the shiba and again it is proven that SS is a bunch of idiots. to say that they never saw him is just dumb. it would only make sense if he was RG since nobody but yama-jii and maybe a couple other senior captains would even know of him.
I believe Rukia made some reference to Ichigo looking like Kaien, but you can hardly make the leap from looking alike to being a human relation to a Shinigami lieutenant. As far as she knew, maybe Ichigo was his reincarnation. And we never saw either Shiro or Rangiku meet Isshin on Earth. Of course it may very well be that one or both of those two knew all along, but kept it from Ichigo. Wasn't exactly their place to tell him, not that anyone from SS is in the habit of telling Ichigo much, mind you. We know Urahara knew, and it's pretty safe to assume Yoruichi did as well, but neither of them ever told Ichigo, even though together they had many more chances than anyone from SS outside of Rukia, who had no reason to know, and probably still doesn't.

All of this argument is fairly moot, though, until we see the end of this arc, and how Isshin is explained out of his captaincy. It may very well be that Kubo manages to come up with an explanation for his disappearance that covers all of your misgivings (hopefully without becoming too Deus ex Machina-ish). If not, I'm sure we'll be revisiting it, and I might be more on your side then.

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also, in FKT arc, he was heads and shoulders above the other captains in skill. only urahara and yama-jii were comparable. why is that? he was only squad 10 captain after all. why could he hold his own for a while when captains like shunsui and ukitake could not? he also had new knowledge about the precipice world and a crazy amount of stamina to hold the walls from closing while ichigo trained. that wasn't normal captain-level stuff. like flicking aizen through buildings for instance. i don't see the current squad 10 captain doing anything remotely like that, but i could see RG members doing similar stuff in the future
That's just Kubo's crazy "Rule of Cool" powered power leveling. Isshin could do all that stuff simply because Kubo wanted him to be badass, and he's hardly been the first. Keep in mind that none of it actually did anything to Aizen. The closest anyone other than Ichigo or Yama-jii came to taking FKT!Aizen out was Urahara, and that only because he basically cheats like Aizen does. Everything else, from Isshin flicking him through buildings to Gin vaporizing most of his torso, was little more than a temporary inconvenience.

Knowing what we learned this week, you could also argue that it's a similar principle to what gave Uryuu phenomenal cosmic power after he took off that Sanrei glove. After years without expending any spiritual power while in human guise, Isshin's tank would have certainly been full. Moreso if he and Urahara managed to find some way for him to train while in that human soul gigai of his.

Which brings me to a different question. Urahara just calmly drops the knowledge that he's created this thing out of a human soul, yet no one seems to have a problem with it. Reminds me of that Venture Bros episode where we find out that some Dr. Venture invention gone wrong of the week is powered by the soul of a little boy, and he's like "What's the big deal?"
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Old 2013-04-26, 16:36   Link #2986
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I believe Rukia made some reference to Ichigo looking like Kaien, but you can hardly make the leap from looking alike to being a human relation to a Shinigami lieutenant. As far as she knew, maybe Ichigo was his reincarnation. And we never saw either Shiro or Rangiku meet Isshin on Earth
if someone close to me was missing and then i wound up in their new house and his son looks a lot like his family and has similar and otherwise unexplained powers, i'd like to think that i could figure that head-scratcher out. let's not forget that ichigo not only 'looked' like the shibas. he was an unexplainably talented shinigami who became captain class in a matter of days. i think that's worth looking into at least as far as what his father looks like, but hey... i'm no detective. i'll leave it to the bunglers in SS

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All of this argument is fairly moot, though, until we see the end of this arc, and how Isshin is explained out of his captaincy. It may very well be that Kubo manages to come up with an explanation for his disappearance that covers all of your misgivings (hopefully without becoming too Deus ex Machina-ish). If not, I'm sure we'll be revisiting it, and I might be more on your side then.
well the bottom line is that it is whatever kubo wants regardless of what sense it makes. to me it's a blatant retcon that is not supported by anything

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That's just Kubo's crazy "Rule of Cool" powered power leveling. Isshin could do all that stuff simply because Kubo wanted him to be badass, and he's hardly been the first. Keep in mind that none of it actually did anything to Aizen. The closest anyone other than Ichigo or Yama-jii came to taking FKT!Aizen out was Urahara, and that only because he basically cheats like Aizen does. Everything else, from Isshin flicking him through buildings to Gin vaporizing most of his torso, was little more than a temporary inconvenience.
i disagree. just because isshin and gin didn't 'kill' aizen for good doesn't mean they fared the same as the captains who got one-shotted and beat down. aizen was actually killed (or close enough to it to risk aizen's life) by the isshin, kisuke and yoruichi combo (ultimately isshin's move), but instead of dying for good, he was resurrected as a stronger form and again this happened against gin (although gin had pre-planning and secret knowledge, it wasn't about strength like isshin was). point being isshin actually beat a form of aizen. aizen was just resurrected because he is immortal now. the 'normal' captains weren't capable of such a feat

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Which brings me to a different question. Urahara just calmly drops the knowledge that he's created this thing out of a human soul, yet no one seems to have a problem with it. Reminds me of that Venture Bros episode where we find out that some Dr. Venture invention gone wrong of the week is powered by the soul of a little boy, and he's like "What's the big deal?"
ha yea, well that's a different story. same logic as not killing aizen before he became immortal i guess
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Old 2013-04-29, 19:05   Link #2987
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to me, everything pointed to isshin being a squad 0 member and using FGT to lose his powers... but kubo doesn't care, so why should we
Yeah, I don't get it either but you know, KUBO.
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Old 2013-05-01, 07:23   Link #2988
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Old 2013-05-01, 07:30   Link #2989
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Old 2013-05-02, 04:38   Link #2990
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So... is it time for me to get out of the [plot] hole and start actually reading Bleach again??

last time I saw an actual chapter was... hmmm Bat!Ulquiorra being turned to dust... 0___0

I've been relying on you guys all this time

(fear not! I can catch up in one or two days =D the only thing that is keeping me from doing so is Kubo's BS)
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Old 2013-05-02, 11:49   Link #2991
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So... is it time for me to get out of the [plot] hole and start actually reading Bleach again??

last time I saw an actual chapter was... hmmm Bat!Ulquiorra being turned to dust... 0___0

I've been relying on you guys all this time

(fear not! I can catch up in one or two days =D the only thing that is keeping me from doing so is Kubo's BS)
If you think that BatUlquiorra dying is BS you still haven't seen the true terror of Kubo
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Old 2013-05-02, 11:53   Link #2992
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haha yea, that was back when the story was good and somewhat made sense. now i'm just used to rolling with the punches... although the past few months have been a considerable improvement, especially over the fullbring garbage
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Old 2013-05-02, 14:35   Link #2993
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If you think that BatUlquiorra dying is BS you still haven't seen the true terror of Kubo

ah no, actually I think up to that point everything was still good, I just stop reading there, the BS started for me when butterflyAizen appeared >___>)
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Old 2013-05-03, 17:23   Link #2994
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^Put it this way:

It's better than the Fullbring arc, which is what followed Aizen/HM but Kubo has pretty much lost his touch for the most part .

I was rereading some of the earlier chapters from this arc:
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Old 2013-05-04, 11:51   Link #2995
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yea, the top shitritters will be on par with the royal guard or things wont be interesting. hopefully the royal guard has a couple deaths to keep things interesting. then the soul king will have trouble with bach and/or aizen and thats where ichigo will come in with his shiny new bow
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Old 2013-05-05, 11:40   Link #2996
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yea, the top shitritters will be on par with the royal guard or things wont be interesting. hopefully the royal guard has a couple deaths to keep things interesting. then the soul king will have trouble with bach and/or aizen and thats where ichigo will come in with his shiny new bow
His shiny new bow that fires swords. Or his sword that fires arrows. A bosword.
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Old 2013-05-05, 19:05   Link #2997
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so....... flashback : Yamamoto/vice-captain, - Unohana/Zaraki and now Ishin/Masaki and then? Kisuke/Yoruichi??

the beginning of the arc and very "Flashback" I thought the flashback not arrive as quickly but progressively ... in this arc
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Old 2013-05-06, 09:17   Link #2998
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His shiny new bow that fires swords. Or his sword that fires arrows. A bosword.
Kind of like the Master Sword in the original Legend of Zelda when you were at full health?
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Kind of like the Master Sword in the original Legend of Zelda when you were at full health?
What does the master sword do?
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May not have been the Master Sword (silly Zelda lore), but whatever sword you had, if you were at full health and swung it, an energy sword would shoot out of it in front of you to attack monsters without having to get right up in their faces. We're talking NES days, here.
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