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View Poll Results: Suisei no Gargantia - Episode 4 Rating
Perfect 10 24 26.09%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 39 42.39%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 19 20.65%
7 out of 10 : Good 7 7.61%
6 out of 10 : Average 3 3.26%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
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Old 2013-05-01, 11:15   Link #181
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I know the conversations kind of steered away from this but earlier people were commenting on whether it would be cost effective to rescue Ledo. But no one seemed to mention that Ledo isn't there by himself. It may be extremely cost effective for them to retrieve Chamber as we have no idea the time or resources it takes to create something like it. The Alliance may want to retrieve it even if they assume Ledo himself may be dead, and as such Ledo gets rescued by default.
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Old 2013-05-01, 17:16   Link #182
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It may be extremely cost effective for them to retrieve Chamber as we have no idea the time or resources it takes to create something like it. The Alliance may want to retrieve it even if they assume Ledo himself may be dead, and as such Ledo gets rescued by default.
After they've received the distress signals, wouldn't it be more cost effective to just send a command to make Chamber go on autopilot and return by himself?
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Old 2013-05-01, 17:20   Link #183
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We just don't know enough about their FTL travel to say what would be possible, let alone cost-effective. Heck, we don't even know if Chamber can escape the gravity well.

Still, rescuing Ledo and Chamber is completely insignificant compared to the fact they've discovered an habitable planet.
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Old 2013-05-01, 17:31   Link #184
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We don't even know if they can FTL without a fleet. The wormhole maneuver was very precise and organized. Even the escape.
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Old 2013-05-02, 03:33   Link #185
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Just one more thought. If the alliance ever discover Earth and decide to colonize, with the vast difference in technology, I don't think they have to do anything against the locals. They'll just land and go about their business while the natives watch on helplessly.
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Old 2013-05-02, 03:47   Link #186
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The Alliance will probably want to integrate the local human resources. We don't know how fast or how forcefully, though.
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Old 2013-05-02, 07:30   Link #187
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There are few hints that make me think the Alliance would want to integrate all humans in itself.

The first is that when Ledo recognizes that the Gargantian aren't from the alliance he assumes that they are a "wandering tribe". The term "wandering tribe" seems to imply that those that aren't part of the alliance are considered stragglers. Ledo doesn't seem to recognize that there can be sovereign nations outside the alliance.

The second hint is when Chamber tentatively tries to communicate with the Gargantians the first time. He said: "you are all fellow humans" "Join alliance". It seems that for Chamber it is only logical for all humans to ally in order to fight against the common enemy.
Ridget didn't react well to that...
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Old 2013-05-02, 11:48   Link #188
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One thing that I think might be getting discounted on this thread is the possibility that the wormhole threw Ledo not just through space, but also through time.

If so, then locating Ledo might be that much harder (if not impossible) for the Galactic Alliance.
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Old 2013-05-02, 12:32   Link #189
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That was actually discussed in other threads.
So far there isn't something that would make it necessary to think that a time leap occurred, but of course it can't be excluded either.
It's just a bit meh, in my opinion.

The real debate here is whether there is something that prevents the alliance from contacting Ledo or if they are simply ignoring him.

A time travel would fall on the first hypothesis, especially if Ledo traveled back to a time where the alliance didn't exist yet or didn't developed that particular communication system yet. Or in a future where the alliance was wiped out.
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Old 2013-05-02, 12:36   Link #190
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That was actually discussed in other threads.
So far there isn't something that would make it necessary to think that a time leap occurred, but of course it can't be excluded either.
It's just a bit meh, in my opinion.
Ledo creating a butterfly effect could be interesting, but I will say I hope we see more of the Galactic Alliance before its all said and done.
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Old 2013-05-02, 18:13   Link #191
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Well I'll be damned... It is the kid in this episode.

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Old 2013-05-03, 11:10   Link #192
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They look pretty happy for genetically engineered cannon fodder who know nothing but war.
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Old 2013-05-03, 13:09   Link #193
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From what little we've been shown, it looks like the Alliance doesn't really prevent them from acting friendly towards each other so long as they manage to do their jobs efficiently.

I guess the Alliance also takes morale into account when looking at the efficiency of their army, in a way you could say "happy troops are effective troops".

P.S. Is it just me or is Ledo's Machine Caliber (the mech Chamber is installed in) painted differently from the others?
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Old 2013-05-03, 13:36   Link #194
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It's probably a training unit, not Chamber. Are they coming out with prequel/supplementary books?
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Old 2013-05-03, 13:41   Link #195
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The little boy could play music and even make a flute(I don`t know how to do that) and, by the look of things, they at least tried to cure him.
I`m thinking Ledo is more pragmatic than most.
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Old 2013-05-03, 16:14   Link #196
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From what little we've been shown, it looks like the Alliance doesn't really prevent them from acting friendly towards each other so long as they manage to do their jobs efficiently.

I guess the Alliance also takes morale into account when looking at the efficiency of their army, in a way you could say "happy troops are effective troops".

P.S. Is it just me or is Ledo's Machine Caliber (the mech Chamber is installed in) painted differently from the others?
Which begs the question: when they did dispose of that one sick kid, did Ledo wipe out the memory or did the Alliance so that the disposal didn't hinder Ledo's performance?
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Old 2013-05-03, 17:38   Link #197
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At first I thought the kid was actually Ledo who was being separated from his parent and sent to space for training.
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Old 2013-05-04, 01:28   Link #198
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One thing that I think might be getting discounted on this thread is the possibility that the wormhole threw Ledo not just through space, but also through time.

If so, then locating Ledo might be that much harder (if not impossible) for the Galactic Alliance.
Another thing to keep in mind: The opening of ep 1 had some nice Gunbuster and Starship Trooper homages. Gunbuster should be best regarded for the attempt to keep relativity with FTL travel. Ledo could be hundreds of years removed from when he fought the battle.

Note: if it was several thousand years, then it would explain Chamber's location problem. 1-2 clear nights should give Chamber enough to get a pretty solid location, unless it's been thousands of years and the stars have, as a result, shifted from what his astronomical charts would say. Or Chambers' optical sensors for stars simply isn't sensitive enough inside an atmosphere to figure out star color values.
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Old 2013-05-04, 09:59   Link #199
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Which begs the question: when they did dispose of that one sick kid, did Ledo wipe out the memory or did the Alliance so that the disposal didn't hinder Ledo's performance?
I wouldn't put it above the Alliance to periodically wipe "unecessary" thoughts and memories from the minds of their soldiers just to keep them in top mental shape.

They probably want just the right amount of individuality in their troops to allow them to develop into skilled fighters and not just organic robots that can't think outside the box (i.e. Ledo and his squadron leader's decision to hold off the Hideauze so that most of their unit could escape).

On a side note, notice how that kid is wearing a mask in the picture? Assuming it is him, I think we can say that the Alliance does what it can to keep valuable combat/support personnel active, if they begin to outlive their usefulness only then would they consider disposal.

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Old 2013-05-05, 06:53   Link #200
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Just realised something.

It won't surprise me if the future antagonists uses rope to fight against Chamber, like how he was binded by his own rotational gravity field in this episode
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