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Old 2013-05-07, 10:35   Link #3421
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A Certain World of Darkness Chapter 3 is out!
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Old 2013-05-07, 10:39   Link #3422
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So he can actually distort that 11th dimension? He's not just reflecting or manipulating something mid-transit?
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Old 2013-05-07, 10:47   Link #3423
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His not reflecting from the 11th dimension but his reflecting it back when the item starts to appear in this dimension and it enters his AIM field.

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@tsunade: Basically your theory tells me Aleister gave Touma IB because whatever was in Touma before academy city was rampaging with only residual aura. The IB can leave Touma pending on the current need. Anyone imagine a fight between Touma and imagine breaker?
Read vol 4. Technically there isn't much to show with only few events in Touma's past but it shows on how bad his childhood is.

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This is actually a good chapter if not for the cliffhanger and random guy being squeezed in the story to show the "normal" side of the city.
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Old 2013-05-07, 11:10   Link #3424
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Cool... So he can still be killed with a one way overlap.
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Old 2013-05-07, 15:45   Link #3425
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Is the Touma of the a certain world of darkness pre-memory loss or post memory loss Touma
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Old 2013-05-07, 16:04   Link #3426
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Actually making him move on different world would indeed put him as the distortion that needed to be corrected. His own life will be negated or erased. Which is why you need to put your power as fanfic author to work on that part

As for IB harming angels. It wasn't shown that its harming them. Its erasing them because they are alien to the world. They re just being cut off from this world and since they are entirely legend or immortals on their own might. They will be alive in different realm but erased in this realm.

Taking consideration that Touma's life will be erased because IB decide him as an alien being on the world and IB doesn't view things from good and evil. Everything is balance on it. Which you will be needing a good story to back that up. A a story that could be present is IB updates its database base on the current world. While Toum is still alien but since his the resident container of it. It will not consider the container itself alien but then again it might consider the surrounding as alien which is why it needed to be updated.

Remember, IB takes form differently in different time. In past form its a weapon or a sacred place. So IB takes form on the need of the current need of the world.

A theory was introduced because Touma seems to have worst luck before entering academy city. A walking plague and IB helps him contain that bad luck towards him alone but its a theory if you view his past but because of the luck of proof. Its just a speculation but there are clues that he has worst luck before and others are probably affected of it. Though that's just might be people blaming him for their own bad luck but we can't tell. The point is when his in academy city. His bad luck was viewed as a normal thing and isn't make a fuss over it which is a theory that IB was given to him when he entered he city because his luck isn't effecting others anymore, unlike when he is young.

A walking disaster or pestilence god will suffice but you will need to remove IB to make it worst and its probably end of the world if that happens because the being which is being sealed will be free.
Actually that fits with a theory posed in my own fanfiction that Aleister did place a seal on Touma's arm that made it become the IB which is why he was brought to Academy City in the first place, because otherwise bad things would have happened.
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Old 2013-05-07, 21:05   Link #3427
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Are all gemstones accounted for? Or are they just the ones academy city know?
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Old 2013-05-07, 21:10   Link #3428
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There are about 50 known gemstones world wide, Academy City has all of them under protection from the outside countries.

Its not impossible to have new gemstones born but for current Canon sake they got them all.
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Old 2013-05-07, 21:46   Link #3429
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What do the novels say about multi-skill? Other than it's impossible? Kamatchi likes to put analogies so I want to know.
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Old 2013-05-07, 22:11   Link #3430
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I think that one is more elaborated in Railgun manga... don't remember much too well.
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Old 2013-05-07, 22:15   Link #3431
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It's that I just started the light novels and the way ESPers are described, I can't imagine why multi-skill is outright impossible. It feels more like it's improbable.
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Old 2013-05-07, 23:29   Link #3432
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It's that I just started the light novels and the way ESPers are described, I can't imagine why multi-skill is outright impossible. It feels more like it's improbable.
Spoiler for Spoiler from Railgun Manga/Anime I guess...:
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Old 2013-05-07, 23:35   Link #3433
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And remember, Level Upper put those people in coma; thats probably using up more of their brains than the sister network.
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Old 2013-05-07, 23:36   Link #3434
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If the network is similar to the one in the level upper arc then it is possible to have a multi-skill as shown by the nugionna
Multi-skill may not be possible or improbable but variation of the main skill is possible as seen to Misaka
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Old 2013-05-07, 23:40   Link #3435
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Thats still not a true multi skill.

And are we forgetting the damn proto-angel thingy that appeared?
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Old 2013-05-08, 08:31   Link #3436
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I think the concept of multi-skill got more interesting when I understood the connection to schroedinger. ESPers connect reality with the possibilities of what should be and what they want the world to be. The present is the box while the unseen future is the contents of the box. They choose wether it's the normal future/reality, or their future/personal reality. So with this you have a fifty-fifty percent chance of one coming to fruition. Now the complication starts with multi-skill requiring you to understand the future or interpret reality in more than one way, which is a burden on the mind. A person cannot be omniscient so they tend to choose a specialty. More than that personality thought patterns tend to dictate choice and compatible mathematical logics, so to speak they subconsciously choose an outcome easier for them to understand. Just as one thousand people are asked how a manga arc will conclude you will get as much as 1000 different predictions or preferred scenarios. With multi-skill you need both calculative ability as well as the single-mindedness to choose one possibility out of more than 2.

Then this makes Harumi's level upper form of multi-skill intersting as well. This is because the theory of mine means that Harumi cannot be a true multi-skill as she needs the proper mindset for each power. Instead we recall her power described as merely running programs from a multitude at her disposal. But an alternative analogy that I have suddenly makes me realize she had one ability all along. So to say the analogy is that Harumi is like a summoner while a normal ESPer is a mage from an RPG. Both can produce flame but the mage casts flames directly as he will it. The summoner summons a spirit that can make fire. So basically Harumi's true ability was summoning interceding brainwaves to generate the ESPer power she needed at the time. In a manner, she also expends little to no calculative ability in maintaining the powers but instead in maintaining the powerusers.

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Old 2013-05-08, 09:54   Link #3437
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I like to keep things simple so this may sounds like Troll-logic:

Esper ability is related to Personal Reality which delve deep inside a person's brain. It is probably part of their sub-conscious which define who and what they are (in a way similar to Magician's Sorcery Name which was craved into their soul).

Remember: Personality does not change the power, it only influence how the power is being use. So even with multiple Personality disorder, there is only one sub-concious Self functioning as the fundamental baseline which define an Esper's ability.

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I know it is bad which is why I need to check the following analogy for Idol Theory:
Spoiler for Analogy:


Spoiler for Yumene's power:


Edit:
I think I will leave Kosuke aside make another Protagonist, Yusuke.

Reason being:
Kosuke is so normal that he is boring and I need somebody closely related the story's theme.

Yusuke is Akihisa's (baka-test) level of stupid (mostly because he operate on logic which doesn't make sense) and his power force people to daydream.

Seems like an useless ability but.... His power is technically dream manipulation. Guess what is his level 4 ability.
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Old 2013-05-08, 10:15   Link #3438
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Idol theory isn't copying per se but personifying if I understand the books correctly. You are trying to replica and the original. Ofcourse the margin in difference is far too large. So you have that 990,000 sword and you furbish a blade similar to it. It takes the essence of the original blade but only a fraction of it.

*shrug* not a psychologist but I do think that the conscious and subconscious have to be synchronized. Like I said, ask 1000 people to predict the ending to a story and 1000 people may give an equal or slightly less number of answers. the story is reality and each response is their preferred future or personal reality. The basics such as spoon bending or Columbus egg is probably just a way to "persuade" the brain that the other 50% of the schroedinger's experiment is possible. And that reality is not absolute.
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Old 2013-05-08, 10:16   Link #3439
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Simple answer:

Multi-skill is impossible because a human only has one brain and one reality. Unless one has two brains that act differently then its impossible to attain multi-skill without the help of a network of brains.
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Old 2013-05-08, 10:29   Link #3440
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Idol theory isn't copying per se but personifying if I understand the books correctly. You are trying to replica and the original. Ofcourse the margin in difference is far too large. So you have that 990,000 sword and you furbish a blade similar to it. It takes the essence of the original blade but only a fraction of it.
So... Spiritual Successor that isn't as fun as the Original? (Still doing that analogy thing)
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